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++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++
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Precisely this!Charlton and on said:
Leaburn and Kelman had to play within two entirely different scenarios.killerandflash said:He put in a good performance tonight, but let's not get over the top about it. Miles was even better when he came on, better hold up play of course, but his running with the ball caused the Ipswich defence so many problems, as the ball really stuck to his feet.
In the first half Kelman did seem to play as a sort of target man, a couple of nice flick ons, but little goal threat as he was so deep. In the second he was a bit more involved, good movement for Carey's goal and that excellent shot which was well saved.0 -
At the end of the day we all agree NJ is a top manager and if he consistently starting Charlie, I’m not really arsed what some of you lot think trying to say he is average at best.4
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Im being critical of his performances for us, but just to be clear, I think hes a talented striker but probably not suited to how we play.cafc_se7 said:At the end of the day we all agree NJ is a top manager and if he consistently starting Charlie, I’m not really arsed what some of you lot think trying to say he is average at best.
And im more saying it for balance as people are praising him for winning a corner or having a shot. I get that he should be supported on the pitch, but this is a forum for discussion.2 -
Would go Tanto/Kelman again for Hull and for tough away games generally.
Leaburn/Campbell looked great yesterday albeit when game was stretched. Would like to see that pair start at some point this season.4 -
Obviously, but Miles looked different class in his control last night.Charlton and on said:
Leaburn and Kelman had to play within two entirely different scenarios.killerandflash said:He put in a good performance tonight, but let's not get over the top about it. Miles was even better when he came on, better hold up play of course, but his running with the ball caused the Ipswich defence so many problems, as the ball really stuck to his feet.
In the first half Kelman did seem to play as a sort of target man, a couple of nice flick ons, but little goal threat as he was so deep. In the second he was a bit more involved, good movement for Carey's goal and that excellent shot which was well saved.
It's possible that starting Kelman works best for the team, but I don't think it should be set in stone. After all, Kelman might stand a better chance of scoring as a sub?0 -
Leaburn and TC will be full of confidence so I’d start them Saturday. Kelman can then hopefully grab a goal from the bench when the game has opened up and there’ll be more chances
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I don’t think any of our strikers are Championship ready and feel that whichever combo starts, won’t quite hit the mark of what’s required to open up a game at this level.If we had two Championship level strikers any two of the four (Leaburn, TC, Tanto & Kelman)
would be earning their stripes from the dug out.
We’re just going to need to be patient with our forwards and watch them grow into what we hope & have had glimpses of what they can be.0 -
I've said it all along. If Kelman sparks, we can make the play offs. He is our only out and out goalscorer.
I was dubious about his signing, but he's looked good recently. His feint inside before going down the line and cutting in for that shot was brilliant.5 -
Exactly, Kelman will be the difference between a solid mid table finish and a play off place. That moment was a real Kelman from last season moment.bolloxbolder said:I've said it all along. If Kelman sparks, we can make the play offs. He is our only out and out goalscorer.
I was dubious about his signing, but he's looked good recently. His feint inside before going down the line and cutting in for that shot was brilliant.1 -
Think Kelman from half-time until he came off was quality.
Provides space for others and is able to keep things ticking along in the final third. Something not many of our other attackers can do in that space.3 -
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Kelman was signed because he was available.Crispywood said:
Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.RonnieMoore said:I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .
He scored 26 goals or whatever in League One, with good technique and variety.
That's what NJ admired.
He's evidently a project and NJ is using Godden's absence to adapt Kelman to the current gameplan in a transitional season.
No goals yet, but particularly in recent games, good involvement, hold up, positional play and press.
He's giving 100%, playing to instructions - and an integral part of our current good run.8 -
I think that his lack of goals actually seems even worse specifically because its just about the one thing he isn't doing. He is almost ideal as a striker for a Jones system except for the one thing that strikers are generally expected to do.SELR_addicks said:Think Kelman from half-time until he came off was quality.
Provides space for others and is able to keep things ticking along in the final third. Something not many of our other attackers can do in that space.
We all know how much Jones loves TC and given that even he was dropped before Kelman was suggests that Jones must be happy enough.1 -
I think Kelman got a bit of a rocket at half time, he was on his heels a couple of times 1st 45 and NJ was going mental at him.1
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Yeah, there was also a really lazy pass while we were in a good position, where NJ went mad at him. I thought he did okay yesterday but some of the praise might be flying on the wings of a fantastic win.Sword65pf said:I think Kelman got a bit of a rocket at half time, he was on his heels a couple of times 1st 45 and NJ was going mental at him.
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I don't buy the idea he was brought in as a project, any more than any of our other summer signings. He was by far our biggest signing of the summer.Oggy Red said:
Kelman was signed because he was available.Crispywood said:
Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.RonnieMoore said:I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .
He scored 26 goals or whatever in League One, with good technique and variety.
That's what NJ admired.
He's evidently a project and NJ is using Godden's absence to adapt Kelman to the current gameplan in a transitional season.
No goals yet, but particularly in recent games, good involvement, hold up, positional play and press.
He's giving 100%, playing to instructions - and an integral part of our current good run.
He's 2 years older than Miles and one year older than TC and Apter, and one year younger than Carey, so it's not as if he's a kid.0 -
Yes forgot that, I think he did ok though particularly 2nd half, but that matches up with us being under the cosh a bit. I think he is worth being afforded our patience. He’s part of a winning team.Chunes said:
Yeah, there was also a really lazy pass while we were in a good position, where NJ went mad at him. I thought he did okay yesterday but some of the praise might be flying on the wings of a fantastic win.Sword65pf said:I think Kelman got a bit of a rocket at half time, he was on his heels a couple of times 1st 45 and NJ was going mental at him.0 -
Are there highlights of his shot anywhere? The Sky Sports highlights don't include it.0
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I think you have to look at the way we are set up, and the way NJ is playing Kelman.killerandflash said:
I don't buy the idea he was brought in as a project, any more than any of our other summer signings. He was by far our biggest signing of the summer.Oggy Red said:
Kelman was signed because he was available.Crispywood said:
Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.RonnieMoore said:I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .
He scored 26 goals or whatever in League One, with good technique and variety.
That's what NJ admired.
He's evidently a project and NJ is using Godden's absence to adapt Kelman to the current gameplan in a transitional season.
No goals yet, but particularly in recent games, good involvement, hold up, positional play and press.
He's giving 100%, playing to instructions - and an integral part of our current good run.
He's 2 years older than Miles and one year older than TC and Apter, and one year younger than Carey, so it's not as if he's a kid.
Kelman is a striker, strikers thrive on goals. That'll be the way he really wants to play, surely?
But NJ expects Kelman to defend from the front, play an integral part in making the team difficult to score against.
That's not a normal striker's job.
Kelman is playing to instructions - and doing the job he's told to do.
In this set up NJ doesn't give a toss which player scores.
Look, the goals come from all around the team. That's the NJ way.
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I rate him as a player and I'm sure he will come good. My biggest criticism at the moment is that he covers ground when he's pressing, but he doesn't press with the intention of winning the ball. Compare to the way Carey or Leaburn press, they are aggressively trying to take the ball, and win it a lot more often for that reason. Whereas Kelman is just covering space, and when the opportunity to win the ball is there, he goes into it halfheartedly. There was a good example against Sheff Weds where if he'd committed into the tackle, he'd have been in on goal, and he really should've been.
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14:33 in @Braziliance vlog, the Gillesphey miss is a few mins before too but at the other endEpsomAddick said:Are there highlights of his shot anywhere? The Sky Sports highlights don't include it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Ge9_kCSpk 2 -
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There is nothing wrong with goals coming from everywhere but it’s just whether that’s sustainable over an entire season. Theres going to be a period whether that’s Bree not putting in a perfect set piece every game or Carey keeping this record up as this is the peak period of his career so far. When that happens you’re going to need someone to drag you out the trenches and that’s going to fall on a forward and at that point doing the basics may not be enough and goals may become more importantOggy Red said:
I think you have to look at the way we are set up, and the way NJ is playing Kelman.killerandflash said:
I don't buy the idea he was brought in as a project, any more than any of our other summer signings. He was by far our biggest signing of the summer.Oggy Red said:
Kelman was signed because he was available.Crispywood said:
Ahh yes the player that cost a 1/3-1/4 of our entire summer budget was not brought in to be a regular starter.RonnieMoore said:I don’t think Charlie was brought in as a starter I think he would have been eased into the team and using Godden to teach him along the way .. but Godden injury has falsed us to use him earlier then we had planned … but I think
he done well and looking better each game , the problem not him .
He scored 26 goals or whatever in League One, with good technique and variety.
That's what NJ admired.
He's evidently a project and NJ is using Godden's absence to adapt Kelman to the current gameplan in a transitional season.
No goals yet, but particularly in recent games, good involvement, hold up, positional play and press.
He's giving 100%, playing to instructions - and an integral part of our current good run.
He's 2 years older than Miles and one year older than TC and Apter, and one year younger than Carey, so it's not as if he's a kid.
Kelman is a striker, strikers thrive on goals. That'll be the way he really wants to play, surely?
But NJ expects Kelman to defend from the front, play an integral part in making the team difficult to score against.
That's not a normal striker's job.
Kelman is playing to instructions - and doing the job he's told to do.
In this set up NJ doesn't give a toss which player scores.
Look, the goals come from all around the team. That's the NJ way.0
