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  • sammy391 said:
    @sammy391 are you part of CAST?

    Are CAST and the club planning a player of the year event for this summer?
    I am, yes.

    are CAST planning anything for summer: No
    are the club planning something for summer: to be confirmed via Advisory Board and the specific ’task & complete’ group - of which there were unfortunately limited applications for
    It reads as if the existing competent organisers have been sidelined in favour of an inadequate "task & complete" group, thus explaining why no player of the year/season event took place and the inference is it is doubtful due to lack of numbers, experience etc.

    It reads like letting Curbs go and replacing him with Iain Dowie.
    It is odd that a family open day is seen as alternative to the POTY dinner.

    Why are the two being connected?

    Both took place last year without any conflict.

    I haven't attended a POTY dinner for years, not my thing, but many fans enjoy it. I was at the fun day with the museum and it was a good event.  I hope it is repeated although the costs v Income are unknown to me. But I expect such events are seen as lost leaders.

    @sammy391 has suggested that somehow a dinner is not inclusive to all fans and the community and so not appropriate for the 21st century.

    Is that CAST's view? The Club's view? 

    And has this task group spoken to the POTY organisors?
    Because one poster mentioned it as an alternative, there’s not been any other mention of it as an alternative 
  • edited June 12
    I also don’t think it’s particularly on to question if something @sammy391 has posted on his own account is the view of CAST. I wouldn’t assume anything @Henry Irving posted on this was the view of Bromley Addicks or the museum, not would I ask him to clarify. People who are part of organisations are allowed to have their own, separate views on things 
  • edited June 12
    sammy391 said:
    @sammy391 are you part of CAST?

    Are CAST and the club planning a player of the year event for this summer?
    I am, yes.

    are CAST planning anything for summer: No
    are the club planning something for summer: to be confirmed via Advisory Board and the specific ’task & complete’ group - of which there were unfortunately limited applications for
    It reads as if the existing competent organisers have been sidelined in favour of an inadequate "task & complete" group, thus explaining why no player of the year/season event took place and the inference is it is doubtful due to lack of numbers, experience etc.

    It reads like letting Curbs go and replacing him with Iain Dowie.
    It is odd that a family open day is seen as alternative to the POTY dinner.

    Why are the two being connected?

    Both took place last year without any conflict.

    I haven't attended a POTY dinner for years, not my thing, but many fans enjoy it. I was at the fun day with the museum and it was a good event.  I hope it is repeated although the costs v Income are unknown to me. But I expect such events are seen as lost leaders.

    @sammy391 has suggested that somehow a dinner is not inclusive to all fans and the community and so not appropriate for the 21st century.

    Is that CAST's view? The Club's view? 

    And has this task group spoken to the POTY organisors?
    A poster above suggested that a more ‘accessible and open event, that would be low cost/free to fans’ would just be the Family Fun Day…

    The POTY dinner have their admiration, and of course are a good event- but Its east to see a large amount of the fanbase dont/won’t engage with it- whether due to pricing, the event itself or both.

    These are of course my views, so no need to CAST bash as you seemingly are trying to do, nor are they club views. 
    However, the club is Clearly wanting to have an event that can encapsulate more Charlton narratives, more Charlton attractions and more Charlton fans. 
    Shouldn’t be any issue with that, surely? 

    POTY Organisers could have and still can, apply to be part of the Task & Complete Group 
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/early-stages-charlton-advisory-board
  • All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
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  • Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    
    Faaaaakkkk Orrrrffff...

    Is that better? 
  • Gutting that POTY was cancelled purely due to the yearly moan from PrincessFiona at how much of a shambles it is 
  • sammy391 said:
    sammy391 said:
    @sammy391 are you part of CAST?

    Are CAST and the club planning a player of the year event for this summer?
    I am, yes.

    are CAST planning anything for summer: No
    are the club planning something for summer: to be confirmed via Advisory Board and the specific ’task & complete’ group - of which there were unfortunately limited applications for
    It reads as if the existing competent organisers have been sidelined in favour of an inadequate "task & complete" group, thus explaining why no player of the year/season event took place and the inference is it is doubtful due to lack of numbers, experience etc.

    It reads like letting Curbs go and replacing him with Iain Dowie.
    It is odd that a family open day is seen as alternative to the POTY dinner.

    Why are the two being connected?

    Both took place last year without any conflict.

    I haven't attended a POTY dinner for years, not my thing, but many fans enjoy it. I was at the fun day with the museum and it was a good event.  I hope it is repeated although the costs v Income are unknown to me. But I expect such events are seen as lost leaders.

    @sammy391 has suggested that somehow a dinner is not inclusive to all fans and the community and so not appropriate for the 21st century.

    Is that CAST's view? The Club's view? 

    And has this task group spoken to the POTY organisors?
    A poster above suggested that a more ‘accessible and open event, that would be low cost/free to fans’ would just be the Family Fun Day…

    The POTY dinner have their admiration, and of course are a good event- but Its east to see a large amount of the fanbase dont/won’t engage with it- whether due to pricing, the event itself or both.

    These are of course my views, so no need to CAST bash as you seemingly are trying to do, nor are they club views. 
    However, the club is Clearly wanting to have an event that can encapsulate more Charlton narratives, more Charlton attractions and more Charlton fans. 
    Shouldn’t be any issue with that, surely? 

    POTY Organisers could have and still can, apply to be part of the Task & Complete Group 
    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/early-stages-charlton-advisory-board
    No need to be so sensitive, where did I "bash" CAST?   Fans are allowed to ask Trust board members questions, are they not?  

    You say that the POTY dinner is a good event and then say a large amount of fans don't/won't engage with it.  So what.  Those that choose to attend enjoy it, it's not for me but that doesn't mean I think it shouldn't happen.  Do a majority of fans have to attend an event for it to be justified.  As long as fans are not excluded on the grounds of race or gender or another not relevant factor then surely there should be a wide range of events to cater for a diverse range of interests and budgets.

    If cost is excluding fans as you have suggested then should the club close the lounges as they are not available to all fans due to budget.  Or stop the shirt sponsors lunches with players as they are only open to fans able to spend £400 plus.

    As it happens the costs of the POTY were kept as low as possible to keep it affordable to as many as possible.

    It was the club who wanted to raise it to £120 per head.

    Again I'm not clear why "However, the club is Clearly wanting to have an event that can encapsulate more Charlton narratives, more Charlton attractions and more Charlton fans. 
    Shouldn’t be any issue with that, surely?"  means that the POTY dinner shouldn't take place.  Why does it have to be either/or. 

    Plurality should mean many events not one event trying and encompass everyone because that just isn't possible.

    Nice of you to say that the POTY organisers can apply to joint the task group but 1. did you invite them? There experience and organisation skills might have come in handy. and 2. Why would they think to join without knowing that the event was seen as a replacement for the dinner?

    No sensitivity here - just disappointing that you went straight onto the offensive about 'cast views' etc.
    Of course people can ask question - in fact they're welcomed.

    No one has suggested that this event is a replacement for a POTY Dinner, nor is there any indication that POTY Dinner will cease to exist - despite comments on here.

    All that has happened is that the even was delayed/shelved this season, with a wider event mooted - and a Task & Complete Group set up to advise/organise/develop club events in the future, which could by all means include POTY Dinners.

    Splitting hairs about money making ventures by the club, in comparison to a POTY Dinner that you have clearly said isnt a profit making event - there is no Cheaper Alternative to the POTY Dinner, where as multiple price point entry to lounges/The Valley is clear to see. 


    I have no idea whether fans were invited to join the T&C Group - i haven't been part of that issue on the AB- i'd hope they wouldnt feel it necessary to be invited in order to partake. They should join as they would hopefully want to be part of the conversation/organisation of such events like POTY and further
  • Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    

    Tbf - we know things are going well when the usual suspects start bickering about trivia like this 
  • Chatting with Chris Parkes, he said he met Dane in his early days at Barnsley, and was very impressed with him back then. He said he thought then he was a breath of fresh air and had a great future in football.  
    Chris backed Duchatelet as well and tried to convince me that we wouldn't get relegated and we were in safe hands (just saying/I know Chris is a great fan & servant to CAFC.)
    As for his wife........
  • edited June 13
    Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    
    You’d prefer everyone to be a bit more Danny Dyer I suppose?
    😂
  • DDOUBLEE said:
    Gutting that POTY was cancelled purely due to the yearly moan from PrincessFiona at how much of a shambles it is 
    I thought it was because Seth did not approve of the menu options.
  • DDOUBLEE said:
    Gutting that POTY was cancelled purely due to the yearly moan from PrincessFiona at how much of a shambles it is 
    I thought it was because Seth did not approve of the menu options.
    Or Jose ? Lol
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  • Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    
    You obviously wasn't a member when the political threads were allowed. 
    Just about the complete opposite of what you describe. 
  • Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    
    You obviously wasn't a member when the political threads were allowed. 
    Just about the complete opposite of what you describe. 

    Yes, but all champagne socialists given a leg up by their rich parents.
  • bobmunro said:
    Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    
    You obviously wasn't a member when the political threads were allowed. 
    Just about the complete opposite of what you describe. 

    Yes, but all champagne socialists given a leg up by their rich parents.

    As long as it was not a leg over ;)
  • swordfish said:
    The 2030 break clause in the lease is only in the club’s favour. It is not an option available to RD.

    One of the consistent themes from successive ownerships is overestimation of the club’s commercial potential, often from bullshitters but also from people who just do not understand the supporter base.

    It would be wrong to discourage ambition, but it’s an easy way to disappoint the owners.
    Apologies for seeking more clarity on the lease, but if he was minded to evict us now, what's the earliest RD could? And has he had any opportunity to evict us since he sold the club? *

    * I ask that only because I'd assumed TS wouldn't have bought the Club without assurances over the lease, RD having agreed to continue it with amended terms post ESI  rather than watch us go into Admin and so have to repay the directors loans. 
    TS renegotiated the lease. It’s between CAFC Ltd and Baton, which is still owned by Staprix, IIRC. The interesting question is who the current guarantor is, but is suspect it is still Sandgaard with a side note from GFP that indemnifies him. Otherwise GFP or SE7 would have needed to renegotiate the lease with RD, which they clearly didn’t as any change would hsve been lodged with the land registry.
    Thanks. Would that 'side note' not be subject to disclosure in the indemnifier's books?

    Getting back to my original questions though, 2035 is the lease end date isn't it?  And RD did allow TS to renegotiate its terms, a sensible decision of the head if not the heart. He could have made life very difficult for TS and us back then by refusing to.
  • edited June 13
    Trying to keep this thread on track. Does anyone know when Dane starts employment with us please?
  • Trying to keep this thread on tack. Does anyone know when Dane starts employment with us please?
    Whenever he passes the OADT so it's with the EFL. Would guess we'll get an in house interview pretty quick after
  • edited June 13
    sam3110 said:
    Woodwork said:
    All sorts of events are organised all of the time by all sorts of people at all sorts of places. Quite why one of our fans groups or the club or in collaboration can’t organise POTY without this seeming drama is something I don’t understand. 
    Come on. Charlton must have the most officious, busy body fanbase in English football. Charlton Life sometime feels like moving to a nice little village where the parish council is dominated by early retirement barristers, bored Head teachers and ‘in my experience’ retired corporate executives. So, god knows what the organisation that attracts alpha busy bodies is like!    
    And this particular village has a new idiot that it never asked for and constantly brings up the village next door...
    Mr idiot as He is known.
  • fenaddick said:
    Trying to keep this thread on tack. Does anyone know when Dane starts employment with us please?
    Whenever he passes the OADT so it's with the EFL. Would guess we'll get an in house interview pretty quick after
    Yeah the OS even says a full interview will be published after he’s passed.

    https://www.charltonafc.com/news/dane-murphy-set-be-appointed-ceo
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