I get this is horrific but maybe I missed a bit of this story. Why is Trump getting involved? WTF is it to do with America? Why is it front page news everywhere? People die and disappear all the time so I’m not quite so sure why this is global front page news.
Disclaimer - been mega busy lately so nowhere near as up on the news as I’d like to be.
Is this Donald Trumps unofficial first reaction to this news?
Fair do’s. I suppose it’s quite easy to torture someone to death by mistake.
And then cut the body up into small pieces
Taking a bone saw with you suggests the plan to rough him up a bit was thought through very carefully, down to the final details. Disgusting big government shenanigans. Trump's line on this will aim to out-do the Russians on the "so ridiculous we are sticking two fingers in your face" stakes.
And if this is the sort of thing the Saudis are alleged to have done in another part of the world, you can only begin to imagine what they can be doing in their own country and more hidden away from the prying eyes of the international media.
Worth remembering that both Turkey and Al Jazeera have reason to make the saudis look as awful as possible so will be twisting the knife, hard.
That's not to say they aren't responsible for killing him as MBS is allegedly extremely thin skinned and vindictive, but i'd just treat Turkish and Qatari sources with caution until they actually release tangible evidence.
everyone still up for the saudi's buying the club off the rat?
"The Saudis"?
There are lots of people from Saudi Arabia, and while yes, there are often business and family connections, not all Saudis are the King or the Crown Prince.
I'm not concerned where people come from but I am concern how they act, how they got their money etc.
You can't blame a whole population for the action of its government
(Unless it is Isreal and you are Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes, of course, when you can even blame people of the same religion from a different country entirely)
Worth remembering that both Turkey and Al Jazeera have reason to make the saudis look as awful as possible so will be twisting the knife, hard.
That's not to say they aren't responsible for killing him as MBS is allegedly extremely thin skinned and vindictive, but i'd just treat Turkish and Qatari sources with caution until they actually release tangible evidence.
I can't see Turkey digging out Saudi Arabia - this all boils down to economics whatever the political differences. I'm sure an explanation of Kashoggi's death will be fabricated and sold to the world as an 'accident'.
The Saudis are basically free to do what they want whilst they have economic power.
Worth remembering that both Turkey and Al Jazeera have reason to make the saudis look as awful as possible so will be twisting the knife, hard.
That's not to say they aren't responsible for killing him as MBS is allegedly extremely thin skinned and vindictive, but i'd just treat Turkish and Qatari sources with caution until they actually release tangible evidence.
I can't see Turkey digging out Saudi Arabia - this all boils down to economics whatever the political differences. I'm sure an explanation of Kashoggi's death will be fabricated and sold to the world as an 'accident'.
The Saudis are basically free to do what they want whilst they have economic power.
Yep, they get away with murder because of their money, I'm just adding caution to those believing everything turkey and Al Jazeera say.
You are accepting the view of one totalitarian regime over the other. If turkey had no axe to grind, then they'd have let this drop quietly. They are a key ally of Qatar and that's why they've gone after them here. Erdogan is in a bit too much of a glass House to throw stones remember.
As I say, I'm not excusing anything the Saudis have done here, only that you have to view Turkish and qatari sources as tainted.
everyone still up for the saudi's buying the club off the rat?
"The Saudis"?
There are lots of people from Saudi Arabia, and while yes, there are often business and family connections, not all Saudis are the King or the Crown Prince.
I'm not concerned where people come from but I am concern how they act, how they got their money etc.
You can't blame a whole population for the action of its government
(Unless it is Isreal and you are Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes, of course, when you can even blame people of the same religion from a different country entirely)
my readings of @Redhenry's intel was that it was one of the saud family interested in buying us, but if i got that wrong obviously I take it back.
But jews rule the world and its obviously the british fault for selling arms that this murder happened and that the genocide in yemen is happening.
The saudi's are friends, like hamas, hezbollah and the IRA and need to be sweet talked to be brought to the negotiating table. BUT FUCK ISRAEL BAN ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL FREEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUUUM FOR PALESTINE
everyone still up for the saudi's buying the club off the rat?
"The Saudis"?
There are lots of people from Saudi Arabia, and while yes, there are often business and family connections, not all Saudis are the King or the Crown Prince.
I'm not concerned where people come from but I am concern how they act, how they got their money etc.
You can't blame a whole population for the action of its government
(Unless it is Isreal and you are Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes, of course, when you can even blame people of the same religion from a different country entirely)
my readings of @Redhenry's intel was that it was one of the saud family interested in buying us, but if i got that wrong obviously I take it back.
But jews rule the world and its obviously the british fault for selling arms that this murder happened and that the genocide in yemen is happening.
The saudi's are friends, like hamas, hezbollah and the IRA and need to be sweet talked to be brought to the negotiating table. BUT FUCK ISRAEL BAN ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL FREEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUUUM FOR PALESTINE
I don't think @redhenry said anything more than "Saudis". I stand to be corrected but I don't think he ever claimed to know that much about them other than they were loaded.
All Jews are fair game as you know. Corbyn supporters can beat up 70 year old Jewish women outside their meetings and if any zio nazi tory centralists complain they can say "whataboutIsreal?" and make it all OK
it was "rogue killers" that somehow made their way into the saudi embassy and then mysteriously puffed out into thin air, that's what i can get from the president of the united states.
I wouldn't believe Trump if he told night followed day! Pathetic human being. President of the United States? God help us all.
everyone still up for the saudi's buying the club off the rat?
"The Saudis"?
There are lots of people from Saudi Arabia, and while yes, there are often business and family connections, not all Saudis are the King or the Crown Prince.
I'm not concerned where people come from but I am concern how they act, how they got their money etc.
You can't blame a whole population for the action of its government
(Unless it is Isreal and you are Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes, of course, when you can even blame people of the same religion from a different country entirely)
my readings of @Redhenry's intel was that it was one of the saud family interested in buying us, but if i got that wrong obviously I take it back.
But jews rule the world and its obviously the british fault for selling arms that this murder happened and that the genocide in yemen is happening.
The saudi's are friends, like hamas, hezbollah and the IRA and need to be sweet talked to be brought to the negotiating table. BUT FUCK ISRAEL BAN ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL FREEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUUUM FOR PALESTINE
I don't think @redhenry said anything more than "Saudis". I stand to be corrected but I don't think he ever claimed to know that much about them other than they were loaded.
All Jews are fair game as you know. Corbyn supporters can beat up 70 year old Jewish women outside their meetings and if any zio nazi tory centralists complain they can say "whataboutIsreal?" and make it all OK
everyone still up for the saudi's buying the club off the rat?
"The Saudis"?
There are lots of people from Saudi Arabia, and while yes, there are often business and family connections, not all Saudis are the King or the Crown Prince.
I'm not concerned where people come from but I am concern how they act, how they got their money etc.
You can't blame a whole population for the action of its government
(Unless it is Isreal and you are Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes, of course, when you can even blame people of the same religion from a different country entirely)
I'd take the Saudi Royal family and Champions League
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
It's almost as if the only country in the middle east Corbyn et al are concerned about is the only democracy and the one which isn't openly homophobic. All the other misogynist, homophobic and terrorist or terrorist supporting states are OK because they are "anti-western". But what can you expect from a "friend" of terrorists happy to go on Iran TV (and take their money) with terrorists and holocaust deniers, lay wreaths at terrorist graves and make Muslim Brotherhood signs.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
It's almost as if the only country in the middle east Corbyn et al are concerned about is the only democracy and the one which isn't openly homophobic. All the other misogynist, homophobic and terrorist or terrorist supporting states are OK because they are "anti-western". But what can you expect from a "friend" of terrorists happy to go on Iran TV (and take their money) with terrorists and holocaust deniers, lay wreaths at terrorist graves and make Muslim Brotherhood signs.
Is this the same country that Theresa May sells weapons to?
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
It's almost as if the only country in the middle east Corbyn et al are concerned about is the only democracy and the one which isn't openly homophobic. All the other misogynist, homophobic and terrorist or terrorist supporting states are OK because they are "anti-western". But what can you expect from a "friend" of terrorists happy to go on Iran TV (and take their money) with terrorists and holocaust deniers, lay wreaths at terrorist graves and make Muslim Brotherhood signs.
IS this the same country that Theresa May sells weapons to?
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
It's almost as if the only country in the middle east Corbyn et al are concerned about is the only democracy and the one which isn't openly homophobic. All the other misogynist, homophobic and terrorist or terrorist supporting states are OK because they are "anti-western". But what can you expect from a "friend" of terrorists happy to go on Iran TV (and take their money) with terrorists and holocaust deniers, lay wreaths at terrorist graves and make Muslim Brotherhood signs.
IS this the same country that Theresa May sells weapons to?
Iran? Not sure to be honest. Or do you mean Russia, another country that Corbyn was happy to take money from the state TV company.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
If Israel does something bad then I'm not sure why it shouldn't be criticised? There seems to be a narrative amongst some that you can't criticise Israel because its neighbours may do stuff that's even worse.
Maybe all the faults in the Arab-Israeli conflict are only on one side? As far as I can see thete are problems on both sides and work needs to be done.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
It's almost as if the only country in the middle east Corbyn et al are concerned about is the only democracy and the one which isn't openly homophobic. All the other misogynist, homophobic and terrorist or terrorist supporting states are OK because they are "anti-western". But what can you expect from a "friend" of terrorists happy to go on Iran TV (and take their money) with terrorists and holocaust deniers, lay wreaths at terrorist graves and make Muslim Brotherhood signs.
IS this the same country that Theresa May sells weapons to?
Iran? Not sure to be honest. Or do you mean Russia, another country that Corbyn was happy to take money from the state TV company.
Sorry, completely forgot that Corbyn was PM for a second.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
It's almost as if the only country in the middle east Corbyn et al are concerned about is the only democracy and the one which isn't openly homophobic. All the other misogynist, homophobic and terrorist or terrorist supporting states are OK because they are "anti-western". But what can you expect from a "friend" of terrorists happy to go on Iran TV (and take their money) with terrorists and holocaust deniers, lay wreaths at terrorist graves and make Muslim Brotherhood signs.
IS this the same country that Theresa May sells weapons to?
Iran? Not sure to be honest. Or do you mean Russia, another country that Corbyn was happy to take money from the state TV company.
Sorry, completely forgot that Corbyn was PM for a second.
Regarding Israel if you criticise the State of Israel it doesn't make you anti-semitic. If I wanted to run a recruitment campaign for ISIS and hezbollah then Israel's doing a great job in the Gaza Strip.
I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
But holding it to different standards to other countries in the region is. Which is the point.
If Israel does something bad then I'm not sure why it shouldn't be criticised? There seems to be a narrative amongst some that you can't criticise Israel because its neighbours may do stuff that's even worse.
Maybe all the faults in the Arab-Israeli conflict are only on one side? As far as I can see thete are problems on both sides and work needs to be done.
the point is corbyn and his supporters go off their rocker on israel, but are much more muted on the crimes performed by other countries in the region. Can't be because of the ethnicity that makes up most of israel, can it?
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I'm surprised the Saudis haven't just said 'we butchered him to death and don't give a fuck what you think'.
I imagine most Western governments will really speak out strongly on this.
That's not to say they aren't responsible for killing him as MBS is allegedly extremely thin skinned and vindictive, but i'd just treat Turkish and Qatari sources with caution until they actually release tangible evidence.
There are lots of people from Saudi Arabia, and while yes, there are often business and family connections, not all Saudis are the King or the Crown Prince.
I'm not concerned where people come from but I am concern how they act, how they got their money etc.
You can't blame a whole population for the action of its government
(Unless it is Isreal and you are Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes, of course, when you can even blame people of the same religion from a different country entirely)
The Saudis are basically free to do what they want whilst they have economic power.
You are accepting the view of one totalitarian regime over the other. If turkey had no axe to grind, then they'd have let this drop quietly. They are a key ally of Qatar and that's why they've gone after them here. Erdogan is in a bit too much of a glass House to throw stones remember.
As I say, I'm not excusing anything the Saudis have done here, only that you have to view Turkish and qatari sources as tainted.
But jews rule the world and its obviously the british fault for selling arms that this murder happened and that the genocide in yemen is happening.
The saudi's are friends, like hamas, hezbollah and the IRA and need to be sweet talked to be brought to the negotiating table. BUT FUCK ISRAEL BAN ISRAEL BOYCOTT ISRAEL FREEEEEEEEDUUUUUUUUUUUUM FOR PALESTINE
All Jews are fair game as you know. Corbyn supporters can beat up 70 year old Jewish women outside their meetings and if any zio nazi tory centralists complain they can say "whataboutIsreal?" and make it all OK
jewishzionist.I've listened to politicians on the extremes of both sides of the Arab-Israeli dispute and it doesn't seem there will be a solution any time soon.
Maybe all the faults in the Arab-Israeli conflict are only on one side? As far as I can see thete are problems on both sides and work needs to be done.
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