Goal 1 last night he palmed into the centre of the box... That's his mistake and keepers are trained not to do this. Goal 2 He completely missed, not sure anyone particularly at fault as it was hit pretty hard. Goal 3 Beaten on the same post as the last free kick against him, didn't get over quick enough. Goal 4 Slow off his line.
Ironic that the loanees shipped out for being not good enough, have been our better players while those bought in by KR have been fairly anonymous. Has his one upfront ever worked against any side apart from Sunday league Crumlin?
Ironic that the loanees shipped out for being not good enough, have been our better players while those bought in by KR have been fairly anonymous. Has his one upfront ever worked against any side apart from Sunday league Crumlin?
When he won promotion with MK Dons? Difference was he did have a current England international in the team and 2 or 3 strikers that could score goals.
In the Champ they signed Simon Church and got relegated...
Ironic that the loanees shipped out for being not good enough, have been our better players while those bought in by KR have been fairly anonymous. Has his one upfront ever worked against any side apart from Sunday league Crumlin?
Point of order - Crumlin are the multi-year champions of the Leinster Senior League. Not sure if they play on Sundays though...
And that is all his fault? Nothing to do with the defence at all? Not every goal is down to the keeper who is the "last" line of defence.
As I said early candidate for scapegoat
I thought that was Sarr or Clarke or Marshall or any one of the other players...
He's no scapegoat, he has shipped 6 goals in 2 games, and you have got to feel a more experienced keeper would have dealt with at least 3 of the 6 better than he did.
Don't get me wrong his form last season was very good, but any long shots so far this pre-season has caused him some trouble.
He did fantastically well with that point blank stop last night and then made himself look silly getting tackled whilst dribbling the ball out, which could have made it 7 goals in 2 games.
He seems to be lacking confidence is all and maybe an older head will be able to give him help and advice to deal with some of the bits he struggles with.
We'll, KR did indicate he wanted competition for every position.
Goal 1 last night he palmed into the centre of the box... That's his mistake and keepers are trained not to do this. Goal 2 He completely missed, not sure anyone particularly at fault as it was hit pretty hard. Goal 3 Beaten on the same post as the last free kick against him, didn't get over quick enough. Goal 4 Slow off his line.
I'm with Henry, I think you're being harsh. I originally thought he didn't do well to palm the first into the middle of the area, but looking at the replay a few times it's hit well and is further away from him than I thought. The third goal is hit with pace and goes in the side of the net. Don't think he can be faulted for that, or the second which was also hit with pace.
We have to be realistic about expectations, he's probably a decent League One keeper, not David De Gea.
Have we got specialised coaching for Phillips? Have Bowyer and Jacko got anywhere near badges, have they got nouse naturally, because they seriously lack experience? And has Robinson got a cool enough head and appropriate levels of detachment and objectivity...and nouse too?
Goal 1 last night he palmed into the centre of the box... That's his mistake and keepers are trained not to do this. Goal 2 He completely missed, not sure anyone particularly at fault as it was hit pretty hard. Goal 3 Beaten on the same post as the last free kick against him, didn't get over quick enough. Goal 4 Slow off his line.
I'm with Henry, I think you're being harsh. I originally thought he didn't do well to palm the first into the middle of the area, but looking at the replay a few times it's hit well and is further away from him than I thought. The third goal is hit with pace and goes in the side of the net. Don't think he can be faulted for that, or the second which was also hit with pace.
We have to be realistic about expectations, he's probably a decent League One keeper, not David De Gea.
Problem was he wasn't up against a league 1 striker.
There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing. I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not. I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen. No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure. As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets. Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant. But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably! Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here. There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch. It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.
Did you go to see us face Crumlin or Limerick? I watched all three games on YouTube but its not the same as being at the game - I just wonder if the players didnt show belief last night because of tiredness... Of course if they didnt show it in the other two matches then it definitely is a concern and is more than just tiredness
I was at the Crumlin game as well who didn't offer much of a challenge so it is difficult to be critical of the ethic that night but I saw nothing in those two friendliest that fills me with any confidence that this squad has the required winning mentality that SoundAs referred to.
There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing. I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not. I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen. No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure. As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets. Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant. But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably! Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here. There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch. It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.
Did you go to see us face Crumlin or Limerick? I watched all three games on YouTube but its not the same as being at the game - I just wonder if the players didnt show belief last night because of tiredness... Of course if they didnt show it in the other two matches then it definitely is a concern and is more than just tiredness
I was at the Crumlin game as well who didn't offer much of a challenge so it is difficult to be critical of the ethic that night but I saw nothing in those two friendliest that fills me with any confidence that this squad has the required winning mentality that SoundAs referred to.
I brought a friend to the UCD match. We're both League of Ireland supporters and I was interested to hear his thoughts after I had been very encouraged by the Crumlin game. I was pretty embarrassed by CAFC but he kept saying "They just look so tired". And in hindsight perhaps he was right. Marshall, Jacko, Ceballos of the starters and Watt and the youngsters tried to put in a shift but I got the impression that the players were told not to push themselves. The defense (including Solly) were extremely static when UCD were coming at them, Kashi never followed the ball forward and when the players did go forward, they weren't able to get back in time. I think this was most apparent when the subs came on and tried a bit more running about but nothing was coming off for them. So I think fatigue mitigates the result in Belfield to some degree.
Maybe the mystery is hidden in the surprising decision to go home for the weekend. Probably a cost cutting measure than a careful pre season bit of planning it seems to me.
Maybe the mystery is hidden in the surprising decision to go home for the weekend. Probably a cost cutting measure than a careful pre season bit of planning it seems to me.
I would imagine it was a good idea to let the players go home to see family.
There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing. I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not. I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen. No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure. As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets. Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant. But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably! Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here. There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch. It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.
Did you go to see us face Crumlin or Limerick? I watched all three games on YouTube but its not the same as being at the game - I just wonder if the players didnt show belief last night because of tiredness... Of course if they didnt show it in the other two matches then it definitely is a concern and is more than just tiredness
I was at the Crumlin game as well who didn't offer much of a challenge so it is difficult to be critical of the ethic that night but I saw nothing in those two friendliest that fills me with any confidence that this squad has the required winning mentality that SoundAs referred to.
Welcome to Charlton Life ..... and the "must win" friendly.
Since when have early pre-season friendlies been anything more than a stepped-up training match run-out? Not even a best starting XI, just ensuring all the squad get decent game time.
Exactly Elfs, I'm sure it would have been cheaper to keep them out there rather than the expense of two extra flights, transport etc.
Still don't let that get in the way of a cost cutting moan ey Seth!
OK. I find the two day break a bit out of sync following the preparations but maybe there is a reason for it. However there was a lack of spark in the subsequent three games in my view.
There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing. I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not. I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen. No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure. As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets. Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant. But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably! Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here. There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch. It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.
Did you go to see us face Crumlin or Limerick? I watched all three games on YouTube but its not the same as being at the game - I just wonder if the players didnt show belief last night because of tiredness... Of course if they didnt show it in the other two matches then it definitely is a concern and is more than just tiredness
I was at the Crumlin game as well who didn't offer much of a challenge so it is difficult to be critical of the ethic that night but I saw nothing in those two friendliest that fills me with any confidence that this squad has the required winning mentality that SoundAs referred to.
Welcome to Charlton Life ..... and the "must win" friendly.
Since when have early pre-season friendlies been anything more than a stepped-up training match run-out? Not even a best starting XI, just ensuring all the squad get decent game time.
Yes..... It's all of the things you say.....but quite a bit more too, which was sadly lacking. Can I ask, did you see the game?
There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing. I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not. I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen. No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure. As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets. Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant. But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably! Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here. There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch. It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.
Did you go to see us face Crumlin or Limerick? I watched all three games on YouTube but its not the same as being at the game - I just wonder if the players didnt show belief last night because of tiredness... Of course if they didnt show it in the other two matches then it definitely is a concern and is more than just tiredness
I was at the Crumlin game as well who didn't offer much of a challenge so it is difficult to be critical of the ethic that night but I saw nothing in those two friendliest that fills me with any confidence that this squad has the required winning mentality that SoundAs referred to.
Welcome to Charlton Life ..... and the "must win" friendly.
Since when have early pre-season friendlies been anything more than a stepped-up training match run-out? Not even a best starting XI, just ensuring all the squad get decent game time.
Yes..... It's all of the things you say.....but quite a bit more too, which was sadly lacking. Can I ask, did you see the game?
Only on YouTube, SoundAs, like most of us on here casting our opinions.
Don't get me wrong, I like to see us win even in meaningless matches. But at this stage of playing friendly matches, players are normally told not to go at it too hard and avoid injuries.
In the bigger picture of things, these 3 matches on 3 successive nights against teams already match fit and mid-way through their season, were a way of pushing everybody in our squad to build stamina - and just one stage of the pre-season preparation process.
I would expect more or less a first team to start the 2 big friendlies (Ipswich and Norwich) and by then, no doubt the coaching team will be looking to see the tactical and mental approach more developed.
I refer to your 3rd paragraph Oggy. Do you think that was achieved in the UCD fixture because I don't.....I can't honestly see what (in the way of fitness), couldn't have been achieved by having a Possibles V Probables knock about behind closed doors at Sparrows Lane for all the effort that was put in by most of them. Sorry Oggy.....a poor performance is a poor performance is a poor performance........end of really. I'm not overly concerned that we lost.......but it was the way we lost.....it wasn't pretty old son and nothing was achieved of any note as far as I could see.
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In the Champ they signed Simon Church and got relegated...
Looks like fall guy/scapegoat is oversubscribed.
We have to be realistic about expectations, he's probably a decent League One keeper, not David De Gea.
Have Bowyer and Jacko got anywhere near badges, have they got nouse naturally, because they seriously lack experience?
And has Robinson got a cool enough head and appropriate levels of detachment and objectivity...and nouse too?
I was pretty embarrassed by CAFC but he kept saying "They just look so tired". And in hindsight perhaps he was right. Marshall, Jacko, Ceballos of the starters and Watt and the youngsters tried to put in a shift but I got the impression that the players were told not to push themselves. The defense (including Solly) were extremely static when UCD were coming at them, Kashi never followed the ball forward and when the players did go forward, they weren't able to get back in time. I think this was most apparent when the subs came on and tried a bit more running about but nothing was coming off for them.
So I think fatigue mitigates the result in Belfield to some degree.
Probably a cost cutting measure than a careful pre season bit of planning it seems to me.
Still don't let that get in the way of a cost cutting moan ey Seth!
Welcome to Charlton Life ..... and the "must win" friendly.
Since when have early pre-season friendlies been anything more than a stepped-up training match run-out?
Not even a best starting XI, just ensuring all the squad get decent game time.
Flights, on the other hand, particularly block booked in advance, can be very cheap.
Can I ask, did you see the game?
Don't get me wrong, I like to see us win even in meaningless matches.
But at this stage of playing friendly matches, players are normally told not to go at it too hard and avoid injuries.
In the bigger picture of things, these 3 matches on 3 successive nights against teams already match fit and mid-way through their season, were a way of pushing everybody in our squad to build stamina - and just one stage of the pre-season preparation process.
I would expect more or less a first team to start the 2 big friendlies (Ipswich and Norwich) and by then, no doubt the coaching team will be looking to see the tactical and mental approach more developed.
Do you think that was achieved in the UCD fixture because I don't.....I can't honestly see what (in the way of fitness), couldn't have been achieved by having a Possibles V Probables knock about behind closed doors at Sparrows Lane for all the effort that was put in by most of them.
Sorry Oggy.....a poor performance is a poor performance is a poor performance........end of really.
I'm not overly concerned that we lost.......but it was the way we lost.....it wasn't pretty old son and nothing was achieved of any note as far as I could see.