University College Dublin v Charlton Athletic - PSF - 12 July 2017
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I didn't watch the game but the last ball is also a pass and actually the most important pass.Dazzler21 said:
Our passing was fine, we just couldn't get the last ball right.BartleyPark said:Three weeks to get our tactical game sorted feels like a very short amount of time right now. Couldn't put three passes together tonight against weak opposition.
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In relation to Sarr- he is sub championship - or was last time I saw him - but might do a job in League One - might!1
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Was not able to get over for the previous two games.
Whilst it is true UCD are in the middle of their season and we are only a week in to pre-season, there is no way a team of our level should be getting a drubbing like that.
I'll be very interested to see how the opening six games pan out.12 -
Whilst I agree, it is also the most difficult pass. Bartley Park was factually incorrect that we weren't putting 3 passes together it was 6-10 passes each time before we either lumped it forward or lost the ball for other reasons.Henry Irving said:
I didn't watch the game but the last ball is also a pass and actually the most important pass.Dazzler21 said:
Our passing was fine, we just couldn't get the last ball right.BartleyPark said:Three weeks to get our tactical game sorted feels like a very short amount of time right now. Couldn't put three passes together tonight against weak opposition.
The final ball was fine against Crumlin, but then they were almost a Sunday league side. The final ball was fine whilst we had energy vs Limerick, but the finishing was off.
Against UCD the final ball was perfect a few times, but more often than not was over hit or under hit. Our build up was quite tidy, but slow allowing the defence and midfield to get back. The tiredness showed.
A lot of times UCD had 8 men on the edge of the box and for all but 1 corner of ours they had 9 or 10 men in the 18 yard box...
They basically parked the bus for the second half and still managed a 1-1 draw.
Phillips was my flop of the match.
Ceballos was once again My CAFC MOTM.6 -
Easy to pull out the fitness line, but the friendlies are about a little more than that. The players played roughly 135mins of football each over the 3 days, after the second day some had only played 90mins and some less - yet they got tought a lesson by a semi-professional team.
Result as such does not matter but, but conceding 8 in 180mins of football against these teams is pretty tragic. They had the weekend off prior to the matches too. Let's hope gobbinson has seen the holes in the squad and is able to rally to fill them.2 -
There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing.
I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not.
I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen.
No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure.
As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets.
Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant.
But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably!
Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!6 -
We conceded 7 and to be fair I think Phillips proved the need to bring in another GK.Atletico Addick said:Easy to pull out the fitness line, but the friendlies are about a little more than that. The players played roughly 135mins of football each over the 3 days, after the second day some had only played 90mins and some less - yet they got tought a lesson by a semi-professional team.
Result as such does not matter but, but conceding 8 in 180mins of football against these teams is pretty tragic. They had the weekend off prior to the matches too. Let's hope gobbinson has seen the holes in the squad and is able to rally to fill them.
We scored 8.
W5-0 L3-2 L4-14 -
A weeks intense fitness training, followed by 2 days rest, then training in the morning and playing in the evening for 3 days on the trot... Most footballers would be knackered after that.5
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Feck feck feck!
As they say in the local vernacular. Whilst not surprised of course to being underwhelmed supporting this car crash of a football club, I have an unnerving feeling of emptiness in my stomach about our prospects this season. Must go and breakfast immediately...0 -
It's OK talking about players achieving fitness and building team spirit .. BUT .. we had our most 'experienced' goalkeeper making elementary mistakes and even more worryingly, as I can't see that Phillips will be our regular goalkeeper this season, our forwards were almost incapable of scoring or even getting many shots on target against the better teams in the last two games ..
IF Robinson insists on playing one up front with two wide men and a 'number 10', I can't see the current personnel coming close to scoring the number of goals required to maintain a promotion effort, even though Marshall and Holmes will create a lot of chances (we hope)..
BUT, It is still early days and we will have to wait and see what happens during the much more difficult friendlies we have lined up against the East Anglians when I hope a coherent pattern of play and consistent selection will become clearer2 -
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Sorry yes, you are right, 7.Dazzler21 said:
We conceded 7 and to be fair I think Phillips proved the need to bring in another GK.Atletico Addick said:Easy to pull out the fitness line, but the friendlies are about a little more than that. The players played roughly 135mins of football each over the 3 days, after the second day some had only played 90mins and some less - yet they got tought a lesson by a semi-professional team.
Result as such does not matter but, but conceding 8 in 180mins of football against these teams is pretty tragic. They had the weekend off prior to the matches too. Let's hope gobbinson has seen the holes in the squad and is able to rally to fill them.
We scored 8.
W5-0 L3-2 L4-1
But the 5 against an Amateur part time team is nothing to write home about
We need a lb a rb and a keeper, IMO.2 -
Marshall wasn't being passed to nearly enough when he was working the touch line, Clarke came to us Charltonised according to his old fans!uie2 said:
Marshall and Clarke Charltonised already lolDazzler21 said:Get Clarke off, get Marshall off, get Solly off and try Watt, Holmes and Barnes.
See how that goes til 60 and shake it again after that.1 -
DaSilva and a GK I agree, I think Barnes is fine for covering Solly and if Push comes to shove, Tex seemed okay at RB and was pretty solid at distribution, I would like another RB in an ideal world I agree.Atletico Addick said:
Sorry yes, you are right, 7.Dazzler21 said:
We conceded 7 and to be fair I think Phillips proved the need to bring in another GK.Atletico Addick said:Easy to pull out the fitness line, but the friendlies are about a little more than that. The players played roughly 135mins of football each over the 3 days, after the second day some had only played 90mins and some less - yet they got tought a lesson by a semi-professional team.
Result as such does not matter but, but conceding 8 in 180mins of football against these teams is pretty tragic. They had the weekend off prior to the matches too. Let's hope gobbinson has seen the holes in the squad and is able to rally to fill them.
We scored 8.
W5-0 L3-2 L4-1
But the 5 against an Amateur part time team is nothing to write home about
We need a lb a rb and a keeper, IMO.4 -
I don't get too wound up by pre season friendlies. (A few of years ago, a team that managed by Bob Peters, contained Gudmundsson, Buyens, Vetekole, et al got beaten by Welling, and that season ended up OK)
But, by God, that was sh...5 -
Shouldn't be losing 4-1
In the games so far have we been playing the 4-3-2-1 that KR likes so much?
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Its a clue... 4-(3-2)-1 its the two scores from the last matches!!BigRedEvil said:Shouldn't be losing 4-1
In the games so far have we been playing the 4-3-2-1 that KR likes so much?
ILLUMINATI!!3 -
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here.SoundAsa£ said:There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing.
I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not.
I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen.
No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure.
As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets.
Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant.
But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably!
Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch.
It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.7 -
Yes.BigRedEvil said:Shouldn't be losing 4-1
In the games so far have we been playing the 4-3-2-1 that KR likes so much?0 -
Over the three Irish games Ceballos proved himself capable, KAG impressed, Barnes suggested he might fill in as Solly's deputy and Mag did okay despite being less fit than his peers. Sarr also did okay and I don't think we should write him off.
In the general play quite often KAG or Marshall would beat a player and then the ball would be pinged backwards so we started off again. This was like a re-run of the matches I saw last season. Why can't we move forwards? Personally I wish we would play a more direct 442 because it is uncomplicated and works in the third (1st) division and would probably suit Magennis.4 -
Did you go to see us face Crumlin or Limerick? I watched all three games on YouTube but its not the same as being at the game - I just wonder if the players didnt show belief last night because of tiredness... Of course if they didnt show it in the other two matches then it definitely is a concern and is more than just tirednessNo.1 in South London said:
I was at the match last night and SoundAs makes a very important point here.SoundAsa£ said:There is such a thing as "winning mentality"......last night that was palpably missing.
I'm not daft enough to think that pre season fixtures aren't necessarily much of an indication as to where things eventually end up.....but it MUST be said that the performance last night was absolutely dire in just about every sense of the word.....pre season or not, meaningful fixture or not.
I've watched countless pre season fixtures in my time.....I know full well what they are all about.....and last night was just about the worst I have ever seen.
No matter how you want to look at it there won't be many smiling faces on the squad or coaching staff.....of that you can be sure.
As pre season fixtures go, that my friends was as poor as it gets.
Those of you who know me, know I'm in no way a gloom and doom merchant.
But what do you want me to say.......as a fixture and confidence building exercise it failed miserably!
Let's hope the rest of pre season shows a marked improvement!
There is just no belief within the squad and nobody on the pitch seems able to motivate out there. I was pitchside and it is disheartening to witness close up how poor the desire was out on the pitch.
It doesn't bode well that's for sure and those who think that these three games didn't matter are so wrong. KR wanted to start building some momentum and see the squad showing him positive signs of what was to come. That didn't happen.0 -
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From watching the goals the critism of Philips seems harsh. Little he could do for any of the four. Who was meant to be marking the scorer for the first?
But it seems we have an early candidate for scapegoat ; - (2 -
As a goalkeeper he has shipped 6 in 2 games.
Goal 1 last night he palmed into the centre of the box... That's his mistake and keepers are trained not to do this.
Goal 2 He completely missed, not sure anyone particularly at fault as it was hit pretty hard.
Goal 3 Beaten on the same post as the last free kick against him, didn't get over quick enough.
Goal 4 Slow off his line.1 -
And that is all his fault? Nothing to do with the defence at all? Not every goal is down to the keeper who is the "last" line of defence.Dazzler21 said:As a goalkeeper he has shipped 6 in 2 games.
As I said early candidate for scapegoat3 -
I thought Page was going to be the scapegoat but looks like Phillips is taking over. I look forward to booing and heckling him....Henry Irving said:
And that is all his fault? Nothing to do with the defence at all? Not every goal is down to the keeper who is the "last" line of defence.Dazzler21 said:As a goalkeeper he has shipped 6 in 2 games.
As I said early candidate for scapegoat2 -
I thought that was Sarr or Clarke or Marshall or any one of the other players...Henry Irving said:
And that is all his fault? Nothing to do with the defence at all? Not every goal is down to the keeper who is the "last" line of defence.Dazzler21 said:As a goalkeeper he has shipped 6 in 2 games.
As I said early candidate for scapegoat
He's no scapegoat, he has shipped 6 goals in 2 games, and you have got to feel a more experienced keeper would have dealt with at least 3 of the 6 better than he did.
Don't get me wrong his form last season was very good, but any long shots so far this pre-season has caused him some trouble.
He did fantastically well with that point blank stop last night and then made himself look silly getting tackled whilst dribbling the ball out, which could have made it 7 goals in 2 games.
He seems to be lacking confidence is all and maybe an older head will be able to give him help and advice to deal with some of the bits he struggles with.2 -
Dazzler21 said:
As a goalkeeper he has shipped 6 in 2 games.
Goal 1 last night he palmed into the centre of the box... That's his mistake and keepers are trained not to do this.
Goal 2 He completely missed, not sure anyone particularly at fault as it was hit pretty hard.
Goal 3 Beaten on the same post as the last free kick against him, didn't get over quick enough.
Goal 4 Slow off his line.
I saw him in goal for a few away games last season, he did not fill me with a lot of confidence ... having watched the games from Ireland on TV, he does not look to have improved ..
he might be 'one of ours' and a 'lovely lad' but as yet he is not good enough for a regular first team place .. another spell on loan to a club with a decent goal keeping coach would do him the world of good .. we can't afford to start the season with a sub-standard keeper, this isn't scapegoating, just common sense3 -
Phillips played well for us last season and for me Rudd was no better. If his form has dipped then we obviously need another keeper.
I'm assuming some fans are looking forward to heckling him.....
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I don't heckle, but I have no doubt that you are correct.
I'm genuinely disappointed for him, I thought he was going to break through this season and he still might.0 -
These pre season friendlies don't mean much , I just can't wait till we start romping the league and I can take the piss out of all the AFC Wimbledon, Fleetwood and Donny fans I know .
I mean ffs it's a nothing League and we haven't even got the scum for banter .
Piss off Roly and your sycophants5 -
I would agree with thisDazzler21 said:As a goalkeeper he has shipped 6 in 2 games.
Goal 1 last night he palmed into the centre of the box... That's his mistake and keepers are trained not to do this.
Goal 2 He completely missed, not sure anyone particularly at fault as it was hit pretty hard.
Goal 3 Beaten on the same post as the last free kick against him, didn't get over quick enough.
Goal 4 Slow off his line.2
