Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
4-2-3-1 snaps finger and...back to the takeover thread...
As Bowyer & Jacko have sorted the playing side of things and is looking rosy, could RD Out’s tactics turn to supporting our dynamic duo to the nearest minimum on to promotion in order to reach his target price. This meaning the Bowyer and Jacko are shooting the ideal of the takeover in the foot?
4-2-3-1 snaps finger and...your back to Cornish pasties and the surreal amalgamation of Charlton Argyle...
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
Thanks for this. So his cost cutting combined with a promotion (if it happens) might just be why he has sanctioned the players in (both loans and purchases). IF the club gains promotion then the price might go up a little - but it would make the club look like more of a going concern and there might be more takers. I fear that it is starting to look like we are stuck with Uncle Roly for the season...
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Value goes back up to £18m (before you take off the £7m for directors loans) surely
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
The increase in TV money is considerably more than that now. Although Charlton's "central income" fell from £5m to £1.8m between 2016 and 2017, following relegation, there was a £2m increase in the money paid to Championship clubs as "solidarity payments" at the same time, which we missed out on (there was a much smaller increase in L1)
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs. Charlton's commercial income was pretty static 2014-2017 despite relegation and matchday income was only £1.9m higher in 2015 than 2017.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
The increase in TV money is considerably more than that now. Although Charlton's "central income" fell from £5m to £1.8m between 2016 and 2017, following relegation, there was a £2m increase in the money paid to Championship clubs as "solidarity payments" at the same time, which we missed out on (there was a much smaller increase in L1)
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.
Didn't realise it was that much more. I stand corrected.
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Surely it's being one division nearer the Premier league pot of gold which gives the biggest boost to value? Especially for a reasonably sized club with a realistic chance of promotion (as opposed to a Burton or Yeovil say)
Early doors of course, but both Sheffield United and Wigan are currently in the Championship top 6 at the moment, just 2 points behind Leeds. Both sides we've recently played in L1.
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
Surely it's being one division nearer the Premier league pot of gold which gives the biggest boost to value? Especially for a reasonably sized club with a realistic chance of promotion (as opposed to a Burton or Yeovil say)
Early doors of course, but both Sheffield United and Wigan are currently in the Championship top 6 at the moment, just 2 points behind Leeds. Both sides we've recently played in L1.
Good point. I think if you combine your point of being closer to the "promised land" with the increased revenue from TV money, ticket sales and (potentially) matchday revenue - against, of course, increased player costs. Together with our London location and the fact the ground is Championship/Prem quality plus the fact we have the Bowyer/Jacko/Gallen partnership and a decent team then, to me, it would make sense to invest a bit more in the team in January and go for it. I wonder if RD would see it like that...(huh). Think this season's competition for promotion in L1 also means we would have a good shot at it.
We are being bought by the people from an island, it is simply a lot smaller and closer than Australia, but it is in a southerly direction from Charlton.
And you'll get more than 14 chips and a proper Cornish pasty.
you'd be the wrong side of the Tamar for that
Good spot, Lincs.
Outside the ground, I believe they're Ivor Dewdney's pasties, made in Plymouth - so you'd be right, but I find them fine. Their bakery is only a mile or so from the border at the River Tamar, but by definition not quite Cornish.
Ginsters, who sponsor Argyle and whose pasties can be bought in the ground, are made in Callington in Cornwall - so at least qualify as "Cornish" But you don't want to be buying one of they, down here living in Cornwall, we regard them as factory produced supermarket fodder .... 'tis not a proper pasty, boy.
Rowes or even Warren's make a much better Cornish pasty, but I really like Chough's in Padstow, baked on the premises. http://www.thechoughbakery.co.uk/
Yep, Chough’s in Padstow the best I’ve ever had. And I’ve had a few :-))
Going down to Bridport at the end of October and the pasties in the bakers there are fantastic.
And you'll get more than 14 chips and a proper Cornish pasty.
you'd be the wrong side of the Tamar for that
Good spot, Lincs.
Outside the ground, I believe they're Ivor Dewdney's pasties, made in Plymouth - so you'd be right, but I find them fine. Their bakery is only a mile or so from the border at the River Tamar, but by definition not quite Cornish.
Ginsters, who sponsor Argyle and whose pasties can be bought in the ground, are made in Callington in Cornwall - so at least qualify as "Cornish" But you don't want to be buying one of they, down here living in Cornwall, we regard them as factory produced supermarket fodder .... 'tis not a proper pasty, boy.
Rowes or even Warren's make a much better Cornish pasty, but I really like Chough's in Padstow, baked on the premises. http://www.thechoughbakery.co.uk/
Chough's are very good, but I've had nice pasties all over Cornwall. Pasties in Padstow (like everything else there) are more expensive too!
Presume it's pronounced chuff ...like the bird ...I once got chatting to a lady in north Wales who ran a bird sanctuary who told me with a straight face that she was longing to show me her chuff.
Ps hope this is a move away from pasties and to suggestive bird names
Indeed pronounced "Chuff's". The Cornish chough is of course the emblem of Cornwall.
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
Thanks for this. So his cost cutting combined with a promotion (if it happens) might just be why he has sanctioned the players in (both loans and purchases). IF the club gains promotion then the price might go up a little - but it would make the club look like more of a going concern and there might be more takers. I fear that it is starting to look like we are stuck with Uncle Roly for the season...
IF we get promoted, is that such a bad thing?
It could bring someone very wealthy to the table (or back to the table if @Redhenry's lot were in that category) who would buy a Championship club but not League 1.
I want RD out as much as anyone, but I also want what is best for the club in the long term
Basic question. Has anyone got a feel for what the club would be worth in the Championship over League 1? Is the TV money much greater? Would it, for example, help to offset the £750k - £1m a month currently costing any owner?
TV money would be around £3m IIRC more and there should be a lift in ticket sales and maybe club sponsorship so maybe £4m to £6m, if being generous, more in income but wages would also rise (or at least players and agents would expect more and will in some cases have automatic rises built into their contracts).
Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
The increase in TV money is considerably more than that now. Although Charlton's "central income" fell from £5m to £1.8m between 2016 and 2017, following relegation, there was a £2m increase in the money paid to Championship clubs as "solidarity payments" at the same time, which we missed out on (there was a much smaller increase in L1)
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs. Charlton's commercial income was pretty static 2014-2017 despite relegation and matchday income was only £1.9m higher in 2015 than 2017.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.
In the 2017 accounts we lost about £1.6m in gate receipts following a fall in attendances of 4.5k. Commercial income stayed the same at £1.2m.
Attendance is down again this year and commercial revenue has probably taken a hit also. Hard to see it getting back to the same levels as before in the Championship, even with a takeover as people will have got out of the habit of going.
TV money drives everything. Squad costs would go up if we are promoted as I'm sure they all have clauses for increases if we are promoted. Hard to see a situation where we are breaking even in the championship unless we get gates up to a 20k average.
Translation: STVV put Antwerp on the nose last weekend. With a 2-0 score, the team from Limburg sent home the oldest club in the country without points. Not so much that achievement was a discussion topic afterwards, but the bad field. "STVV treated Antwerp on its first defeat," Filip Joos said yesterday in Extra Time. "STVV is very busy, but there is a downside to Saturday night: I came to the field two hours before the game and was scared to death, not only was I, for that artificial pitch ..."
"This goes beyond the discussion between natural and artificial grass, and I am in favor of natural grass, but, well, one team with artificial grass in our competition is allowed, but make sure it is a good synthetic turf pitch."
"The STVV field is worn down to the point: it is a carpet in a Chinese restaurant where 3,000 people walk every night, it is terrible and incredible at the same time, and it was still raining, and there was no way to play football."
"To my great delight, STVV coach Marc Brys already agreed on the dramatic state of the field before the match, and Jelle Van Damme's beard looked better than Sint-Truiden's grass. approved. "
"There is the problem that the stadium is owned by Roland Duchâtelet and that the club is now in Japanese hands, the two parties do not speak the same language, they have, I think, opposing interests, because it is a multi-purpose stadium. no longer the priority. "
"What is also noticeable: STVV plays really well, but there is not a lot of people coming in. That former atmosphere of Staaien from the 80's with a tribune that shook its foundations: where did all those people go? That has to do with the switch to artificial turf and with a very clean, albeit beautiful, stand, you offer people more comfort, yet only a third of the time comes. "
"Attendance is down again this year and commercial revenue has probably taken a hit also. Hard to see it getting back to the same levels as before in the Championship, even with a takeover as people will have got out of the habit of going."
Re attendances, it didn't help that Charlton played like shit for several years and got beaten a lot. Better this year thankfully.
And you'll get more than 14 chips and a proper Cornish pasty.
you'd be the wrong side of the Tamar for that
Good spot, Lincs.
Outside the ground, I believe they're Ivor Dewdney's pasties, made in Plymouth - so you'd be right, but I find them fine. Their bakery is only a mile or so from the border at the River Tamar, but by definition not quite Cornish.
Ginsters, who sponsor Argyle and whose pasties can be bought in the ground, are made in Callington in Cornwall - so at least qualify as "Cornish" But you don't want to be buying one of they, down here living in Cornwall, we regard them as factory produced supermarket fodder .... 'tis not a proper pasty, boy.
Rowes or even Warren's make a much better Cornish pasty, but I really like Chough's in Padstow, baked on the premises. http://www.thechoughbakery.co.uk/
Yep, Chough’s in Padstow the best I’ve ever had. And I’ve had a few :-))
Going down to Bridport at the end of October and the pasties in the bakers there are fantastic.
https://sporza.be/nl/2018/09/25/extra-time-kunstgras-stvv/ Translation: ... "The STVV field is worn down to the point: it is a carpet in a Chinese restaurant where 3,000 people walk every night, it is terrible and incredible at the same time, and it was still raining, and there was no way to play football."
"To my great delight, STVV coach Marc Brys already agreed on the dramatic state of the field before the match, and Jelle Van Damme's beard looked better than Sint-Truiden's grass. approved. "
"There is the problem that the stadium is owned by Roland Duchâtelet and that the club is now in Japanese hands, the two parties do not speak the same language, they have, I think, opposing interests, because it is a multi-purpose stadium. no longer the priority. "
"What is also noticeable: STVV plays really well, but there is not a lot of people coming in. That former atmosphere of Staaien from the 80's with a tribune that shook its foundations: where did all those people go? That has to do with the switch to artificial turf and with a very clean, albeit beautiful, stand, you offer people more comfort, yet only a third of the time comes. "
The answer to the problem with the pitch is ---- wait for it ….. is to BUY NEW BRUSHES, and to SWEEP THE ARTIFICIAL PITCH THREE TIMES A FORTNIGHT INSTEAD OF TWICE!
Translation: STVV put Antwerp on the nose last weekend. With a 2-0 score, the team from Limburg sent home the oldest club in the country without points. Not so much that achievement was a discussion topic afterwards, but the bad field. "STVV treated Antwerp on its first defeat," Filip Joos said yesterday in Extra Time. "STVV is very busy, but there is a downside to Saturday night: I came to the field two hours before the game and was scared to death, not only was I, for that artificial pitch ..."
"This goes beyond the discussion between natural and artificial grass, and I am in favor of natural grass, but, well, one team with artificial grass in our competition is allowed, but make sure it is a good synthetic turf pitch."
"The STVV field is worn down to the point: it is a carpet in a Chinese restaurant where 3,000 people walk every night, it is terrible and incredible at the same time, and it was still raining, and there was no way to play football."
"To my great delight, STVV coach Marc Brys already agreed on the dramatic state of the field before the match, and Jelle Van Damme's beard looked better than Sint-Truiden's grass. approved. "
"There is the problem that the stadium is owned by Roland Duchâtelet and that the club is now in Japanese hands, the two parties do not speak the same language, they have, I think, opposing interests, because it is a multi-purpose stadium. no longer the priority. "
"What is also noticeable: STVV plays really well, but there is not a lot of people coming in. That former atmosphere of Staaien from the 80's with a tribune that shook its foundations: where did all those people go? That has to do with the switch to artificial turf and with a very clean, albeit beautiful, stand, you offer people more comfort, yet only a third of the time comes. "
He really does suck the life out of football clubs, doesn’t he?
@Nug , so long as Addicks are angered by Roland's antics, and are willing to protest and make their displeasure known to the world, I feel there is hope for the post-Roly future.
STVV is a living demonstration that the real danger is apathy.
Honestly believe any interested parties are now playing hard ball with Roland, which given his stubbornness will only end badly for the employees, players and supporters of Charlton.
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Remember we lost something like £13m when we got relegated
So maybe an extra 500k per month income against the same £1m over spend = £0.5m a month and most of the sellable players (Fosu, Aribo, Grant, Page) out of contract so no Lookman to bail rrow-lun out.
According to the Swiss Ramble, Championship clubs now receive £7m-8m in central income - and the TV payments will go up again in 2019 as the FL deal has been renegotiated from £90m to £120m (of which Championship clubs get about 70%). That should be worth an extra £1m at Championship level.
I doubt if the ticket and commercial uplift would reach £3m, especially if you consider the extra costs. Charlton's commercial income was pretty static 2014-2017 despite relegation and matchday income was only £1.9m higher in 2015 than 2017.
Either you spend the extra revenue on the player wages or you are likely to get relegated, however - see Burton, MK Dons, Yeovil, etc.
Early doors of course, but both Sheffield United and Wigan are currently in the Championship top 6 at the moment, just 2 points behind Leeds. Both sides we've recently played in L1.
As it's 'bird post day' on this thread, I'll give you a link to click on while you're eating your lunch:
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/wildlife-guides/bird-a-z/chough/cornish-choughs/
It could bring someone very wealthy to the table (or back to the table if @Redhenry's lot were in that category) who would buy a Championship club but not League 1.
I want RD out as much as anyone, but I also want what is best for the club in the long term
Attendance is down again this year and commercial revenue has probably taken a hit also. Hard to see it getting back to the same levels as before in the Championship, even with a takeover as people will have got out of the habit of going.
TV money drives everything. Squad costs would go up if we are promoted as I'm sure they all have clauses for increases if we are promoted. Hard to see a situation where we are breaking even in the championship unless we get gates up to a 20k average.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663754/Are-Cornish-pasties-really-Devon-New-book-claims-snack-invented-estate-border-counties.html
Translation:
STVV put Antwerp on the nose last weekend. With a 2-0 score, the team from Limburg sent home the oldest club in the country without points. Not so much that achievement was a discussion topic afterwards, but the bad field.
"STVV treated Antwerp on its first defeat," Filip Joos said yesterday in Extra Time. "STVV is very busy, but there is a downside to Saturday night: I came to the field two hours before the game and was scared to death, not only was I, for that artificial pitch ..."
"This goes beyond the discussion between natural and artificial grass, and I am in favor of natural grass, but, well, one team with artificial grass in our competition is allowed, but make sure it is a good synthetic turf pitch."
"The STVV field is worn down to the point: it is a carpet in a Chinese restaurant where 3,000 people walk every night, it is terrible and incredible at the same time, and it was still raining, and there was no way to play football."
"To my great delight, STVV coach Marc Brys already agreed on the dramatic state of the field before the match, and Jelle Van Damme's beard looked better than Sint-Truiden's grass. approved. "
"There is the problem that the stadium is owned by Roland Duchâtelet and that the club is now in Japanese hands, the two parties do not speak the same language, they have, I think, opposing interests, because it is a multi-purpose stadium. no longer the priority. "
"What is also noticeable: STVV plays really well, but there is not a lot of people coming in. That former atmosphere of Staaien from the 80's with a tribune that shook its foundations: where did all those people go? That has to do with the switch to artificial turf and with a very clean, albeit beautiful, stand, you offer people more comfort, yet only a third of the time comes. "
Re attendances, it didn't help that Charlton played like shit for several years and got beaten a lot. Better this year thankfully.
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=https://www.voetbalkrant.com/nl/nieuws/lees/2018-09-26/stadioneigenaar-roland-duchatelet-reageert-na-felle-kritiek-van-filip-joos-en-marc-brys&prev=search
STVV is a living demonstration that the real danger is apathy.
We continue to wait.