[quote][cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]I saw in the paper they have some 'history' with each other, anyone care to say what the history is?[/quote]
punch up in a Melbourne bar back in 1977 or something!
Beefy put Chappell on his backside by all accounts...
Credit where Credit's due England have played fantastically & the atmostphere at the games sounds excellent, Where are all the Aussie Fans though? Both this & the First Test were played to half empty stadiums days Four & Five, that is truly embarrassing.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Credit where Credit's due England have played fantastically & the atmostphere at the games sounds excellent, Where are all the Aussie Fans though? Both this & the First Test were played to half empty stadiums days Four & Five, that is truly embarrassing.
[cite]Posted By: OohAhhMcGrath[/cite]It was much better when John Buchanan was in charge. The away support is shocking too.
[cite]Posted By: Chizz[/cite]Other way round. So Botham chased him out of the pub and up the street, brandishing a barstool.
The story was that they were having a few beers after play in a hotel they were both staying in (Melbourne at the time of the Centenary Test), Chappell made a few derogatory remarks about England and their batting. Botham told him to cease and desist, and when he didn't he decked him. Chappell left the bar pausing only to add a couple more comments at the door only to be chased down the street with Botham wielding a piece of furniture. Allegedly.
Although they have crossed paths frequently since then - mostly in press boxes etc they usually ignore each other.
Difficult one this, I admire Botham enormously for his charity work with leukaemia but as a person I have heard some pretty damning things about him from people who know him quite well. He is not universally liked.
By contrast, Chappell can be a bit of a big mouth but he has certainly got a pair of balls on him.
He is the only person in Australia who ever had the guts to take on the myth of Don Bradman's infallibility, castigating Bradman publicly for his refusal to support the players in the 1970's in their demands to be paid properly whilst everybody else cowered in front of The Don.
What's more, over the last year as Australians convinced themselves that a few leaky boats landing in northern Australia meant that we were being over run by illegal immigrants and the demands grew louder and louder for the boats to "turned back" Chappell spoke up in defence of the boat people.
In short, he had the courage to go against the prevailing wind and say that if his childrens lives were in danger and they had to flee the country that he hoped that they would be welcomed by other countries with more generosity of spirit than his fellow Australians had displayed. He also does a lot of work with Afghan refugees, teaching them cricketing skills.
He is the only person in Australia who ever had the guts to take on the myth of Don Bradman's infallibility, castigating Bradman publicly for his refusal to support the players in the 1970's in their demands to be paid properly whilst everybody else cowered in front of The Don.
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There were plenty of ex-cricketers in Australia who played with Bradman and would have nothing to do with him. There was a split in the Australian team along sectarian grounds - the Irish/catholic Aussies like Bill O'Reilly and Jack Fingleton (who both became respected broadcasters and journalists after their careers finished) were on one side and they brought to the team a very healthy anti-English prejudice. On the other side there was Bradman and the protestant elite who tended to view England as olf friends. Rumour has it that Bradman prematurely ended the careers of some of these players rtaher than share a tour bus and hotel with them. In return they took delight when he got out for low scores and were happy to suggest that Bradman was less than enthusiastic about facing fast bowling.
Yep he's 6ft 7 tall, the theory is that some of the Australian top order don't play short fast bowling that well. Phil Hughes in particular being short of a length himself and a front foot batter is abit shaky when it's climbing on him, Michael Clarke is known to not like the short stuff and Ponting's eyes are going, he can still cut the short stuff, but pulling is a weakness these days.
The Waca is normally a fast bowler's paradise and offers a lot of bounce - the key is to pitch the ball up, back of a length stuff will sail over the stumps, while over-pitched stuff will fly off the bat, and anything short will go into orbit.
England haven't won there since 1978 and then Australia were missing most of their best players who were playing for Packer, but the pitch has a tinge of green on it, but it's been baking hot there so you can rely on it being another fast bowler's wicket, and the weather forecast for the next few days suggests that it's going to be mid-30s.
[quote][cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]He is the only person in Australia who ever had the guts to take on the myth of Don Bradman's infallibility, castigating Bradman publicly for his refusal to support the players in the 1970's in their demands to be paid properly whilst everybody else cowered in front of The Don.
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There were plenty of ex-cricketers in Australia who played with Bradman and would have nothing to do with him. There was a split in the Australian team along sectarian grounds - the Irish/catholic Aussies like Bill O'Reilly and Jack Fingleton (who both became respected broadcasters and journalists after their careers finished) were on one side and they brought to the team a very healthy anti-English prejudice. On the other side there was Bradman and the protestant elite who tended to view England as olf friends. Rumour has it that Bradman prematurely ended the careers of some of these players rtaher than share a tour bus and hotel with them. In return they took delight when he got out for low scores and were happy to suggest that Bradman was less than enthusiastic about facing fast bowling.[/quote]
That is all very true, but in later years Bradman became a living deity in Australian life - described, somewhat improbably, by former Australian Prime Minister John Howard as the "greatest ever Australian" no less.
I got here in 1997 and in the years up to Bradman's death in 2001 you could never find anyone willingly to come out in public and say anything less than that Bradman was indeed a living saint - the only person who held a contrary public view was Chappell and he had the guts to speak his mind both before and after Bradman's death.
If you are interested then see below for his comments on The Don, this is very much head-above-the-parapet stuff in these parts, believe me.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]is tremlet the big bloke BFR?...he's gonna have a lot of fun on the perth pitch with his bouncers!
Tremlet's a giant. I stood next to him at Guildford this summer and felt like a midget. That said, he's about the same height as Broad, who is the better bowler and will be missed. Whenever I've seen Tremlet he's been a bit wayward.
Frustrating now! Haddin and Hussey again the resistance and now Jonstone getting in on it. Didn't realise he could bat. He's got an average of about 35.
not long home from the WACA, great day! There tail really wagged, we thought they would be done by 3pm! Screamer of a catch from collingwood, and we looked sharp all over the field, never giving an easy single, kept up consant pressure on them.
The crowd was probably 65/35 in favour of the english, and thus a good atmosphere, and to be at the cricket over here and with with us on top, one nil up is a feeling I have not had for years over here, and I'm loving it! Back there in the morning to sing me heart out! I'm loving it! just loving it!
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punch up in a Melbourne bar back in 1977 or something!
Beefy put Chappell on his backside by all accounts...
The story was that they were having a few beers after play in a hotel they were both staying in (Melbourne at the time of the Centenary Test), Chappell made a few derogatory remarks about England and their batting. Botham told him to cease and desist, and when he didn't he decked him. Chappell left the bar pausing only to add a couple more comments at the door only to be chased down the street with Botham wielding a piece of furniture. Allegedly.
Although they have crossed paths frequently since then - mostly in press boxes etc they usually ignore each other.
By contrast, Chappell can be a bit of a big mouth but he has certainly got a pair of balls on him.
He is the only person in Australia who ever had the guts to take on the myth of Don Bradman's infallibility, castigating Bradman publicly for his refusal to support the players in the 1970's in their demands to be paid properly whilst everybody else cowered in front of The Don.
What's more, over the last year as Australians convinced themselves that a few leaky boats landing in northern Australia meant that we were being over run by illegal immigrants and the demands grew louder and louder for the boats to "turned back" Chappell spoke up in defence of the boat people.
In short, he had the courage to go against the prevailing wind and say that if his childrens lives were in danger and they had to flee the country that he hoped that they would be welcomed by other countries with more generosity of spirit than his fellow Australians had displayed. He also does a lot of work with Afghan refugees, teaching them cricketing skills.
...............
There were plenty of ex-cricketers in Australia who played with Bradman and would have nothing to do with him. There was a split in the Australian team along sectarian grounds - the Irish/catholic Aussies like Bill O'Reilly and Jack Fingleton (who both became respected broadcasters and journalists after their careers finished) were on one side and they brought to the team a very healthy anti-English prejudice. On the other side there was Bradman and the protestant elite who tended to view England as olf friends. Rumour has it that Bradman prematurely ended the careers of some of these players rtaher than share a tour bus and hotel with them. In return they took delight when he got out for low scores and were happy to suggest that Bradman was less than enthusiastic about facing fast bowling.
Chris Tremlett is going to replace Stuart Broad, England otherwise unchanged.
Australia have still make the decision on whether to play Michael Beer or go with four seamers, plus Watson and Smith.
The Waca is normally a fast bowler's paradise and offers a lot of bounce - the key is to pitch the ball up, back of a length stuff will sail over the stumps, while over-pitched stuff will fly off the bat, and anything short will go into orbit.
England haven't won there since 1978 and then Australia were missing most of their best players who were playing for Packer, but the pitch has a tinge of green on it, but it's been baking hot there so you can rely on it being another fast bowler's wicket, and the weather forecast for the next few days suggests that it's going to be mid-30s.
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There were plenty of ex-cricketers in Australia who played with Bradman and would have nothing to do with him. There was a split in the Australian team along sectarian grounds - the Irish/catholic Aussies like Bill O'Reilly and Jack Fingleton (who both became respected broadcasters and journalists after their careers finished) were on one side and they brought to the team a very healthy anti-English prejudice. On the other side there was Bradman and the protestant elite who tended to view England as olf friends. Rumour has it that Bradman prematurely ended the careers of some of these players rtaher than share a tour bus and hotel with them. In return they took delight when he got out for low scores and were happy to suggest that Bradman was less than enthusiastic about facing fast bowling.[/quote]
That is all very true, but in later years Bradman became a living deity in Australian life - described, somewhat improbably, by former Australian Prime Minister John Howard as the "greatest ever Australian" no less.
I got here in 1997 and in the years up to Bradman's death in 2001 you could never find anyone willingly to come out in public and say anything less than that Bradman was indeed a living saint - the only person who held a contrary public view was Chappell and he had the guts to speak his mind both before and after Bradman's death.
If you are interested then see below for his comments on The Don, this is very much head-above-the-parapet stuff in these parts, believe me.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/video/default_pre_2008.htm?clip=ianchappell
Tremlet's a giant. I stood next to him at Guildford this summer and felt like a midget. That said, he's about the same height as Broad, who is the better bowler and will be missed. Whenever I've seen Tremlet he's been a bit wayward.
It's coming home, it's coming home ....
If we can bowl them out for under 200 then its game on for us to win the game and retain The Ashes.
The Aussies are in complete turmoil, anyone can see that now.
Bring out the Swann!!
oz lower order frustrating england
England: 15-0 (5.1 overs)
The crowd was probably 65/35 in favour of the english, and thus a good atmosphere, and to be at the cricket over here and with with us on top, one nil up is a feeling I have not had for years over here, and I'm loving it!
Back there in the morning to sing me heart out!
I'm loving it! just loving it!
did you catch the words to the new barmy army Ricky Ponting song?
For anyone still awake