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AFCON 2025

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  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,016
    And there was me planning a trip to Kenya to watch Collins in 2027 🤦🏽‍♀️
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 2,496
    SELR_addicks said:
    "The CAF Appeal Board decided that in application of Article 84 of the Regulations of the CAF Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON), the Senegal National Team is declared to have forfeited the Final Match of the TotalEnergies CAF Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON) Morocco 2025 (“the Match”), with the result of the Match being recorded as 3–0 in favour of the Fédération Royale Marocaine de Football (FRMF)."

    "Confederation of African Football appeal board stripping Senegal of AFCON title relates to them walking off the pitch for more than 10 minutes after a penalty was awarded to Morocco in the final. Was missed & Senegal then won 1-0. Result now overturned in unprecedented ruling"


  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,552
    So, Morocco have now won AFCON twice, without actually winning a final
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,874
    Does it really mean anything though?

    Diaz will always remember missing his penalty to win the game.
    Moroccan players will always remember the pain of losing in their home stadium.
    Senegal players will always remember being given the trophy and the presentation photos will always show them, not Morocco.
    Senegal players and fans will always remember the trophy parade through Dakar.
    The African federation are not going to personally visit the homes of the entire Senegal squad to take their winners medals back.

    I'm not even sure it'll mean much to the Moroccan players to be awarded the win in this way, when they and everyone else knows what actually happened.
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,763
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Does it really mean anything though?

    Diaz will always remember missing his penalty to win the game.
    Moroccan players will always remember the pain of losing in their home stadium.
    Senegal players will always remember being given the trophy and the presentation photos will always show them, not Morocco.
    Senegal players and fans will always remember the trophy parade through Dakar.
    The African federation are not going to personally visit the homes of the entire Senegal squad to take their winners medals back.

    I'm not even sure it'll mean much to the Moroccan players to be awarded the win in this way, when they and everyone else knows what actually happened.
    Wait for the open top bus parade down Rabat High Street. 
  • closet_addick
    closet_addick Posts: 415
    No Sexy Sichenje, no party. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,992
    closet_addick said:
    No Sexy Sichenje, no party. 

  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,992
    Shambles
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,959
    The game should have been abandoned when Senegal walked off.

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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 17,041
    DaveMehmet said:
    The game should have been abandoned when Senegal walked off.
    It probably should but crucially it wasn't. You can't just abandon a game after it's been completed 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 98,644
    Leuth said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Feels fair though... You can't just walk off the pitch for that long and there not be repercussions, simply because you don't like a decision. 
    If you can't see this as outrageous and obvious corruption, I don't know what to say 
    Oh absolutely it stinks as should never have taken this long - But equally do you think it acceptable that a team should be allowed to just walk off the pitch for 20-mins, and that there shouldn't be consequences? 
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,518
    fenaddick said:
    DaveMehmet said:
    The game should have been abandoned when Senegal walked off.
    It probably should but crucially it wasn't. You can't just abandon a game after it's been completed 
    Turns out you can if you're Morocco. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,818
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Leuth said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Feels fair though... You can't just walk off the pitch for that long and there not be repercussions, simply because you don't like a decision. 
    If you can't see this as outrageous and obvious corruption, I don't know what to say 
    Oh absolutely it stinks as should never have taken this long - But equally do you think it acceptable that a team should be allowed to just walk off the pitch for 20-mins, and that there shouldn't be consequences? 
    Ban them from the next tournament. Fine them to the gills. Give every player who left the field a 5-game suspension for the next AFCON. Just don't fucking do this. Unless you want to make it clear you always wanted Morocco to win. Every African national football federation needs to protest this. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 22,580
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Leuth said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Feels fair though... You can't just walk off the pitch for that long and there not be repercussions, simply because you don't like a decision. 
    If you can't see this as outrageous and obvious corruption, I don't know what to say 
    Oh absolutely it stinks as should never have taken this long - But equally do you think it acceptable that a team should be allowed to just walk off the pitch for 20-mins, and that there shouldn't be consequences? 
    What about all the posturing and bullshit from Morocco before and during the game? 

    Both sides are at fault, and neither should be the winners
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,891
    If we can change the outcome of games after they have finished, I would like to go back and change the result of the game when we all threw our merchandise brochures on the pitch when Stevie Brown was being stretchered off after injuring himself making a handball.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,518
    DamoNorthStand said:
    If we can change the outcome of games after they have finished, I would like to go back and change the result of the game when we all threw our merchandise brochures on the pitch when Stevie Brown was being stretchered off after injuring himself making a handball.
    Was that the one when the ref red-carded him on the stretcher?
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,959
    DamoNorthStand said:
    If we can change the outcome of games after they have finished, I would like to go back and change the result of the game when we all threw our merchandise brochures on the pitch when Stevie Brown was being stretchered off after injuring himself making a handball.
    We won though?
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,431
    They were as bad as each other with their behaviour in that final and Morocco were up to silliness the whole way through.
    The power that be should have either drawn a line under that farce or called the result void and have no result.
    3-0 win was pretty generous considering neither team looked likely of scoring.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,422
    DaveMehmet said:
    The game should have been abandoned when Senegal walked off.
    Ref should have been booking them all for leaving the field of play without permission, and then threatening them all with a second yellow for excessively delaying a restart.

    But he didn't, so the game shouldn't be being effectively re-reffed now.

    Frankly if you want to start re-reffing games from that tournament, then they could start with a few of the decisions in earlier rounds that favoured Morocco....

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  • Swindon_Addick
    Swindon_Addick Posts: 1,898
    If the game had been declared a forfeit at the time, no-one could have complained. For all that Senegal had a point about bias in the tournament, you can't simply walk off. But AFCON wanted the game to be played out and having done that they should live with the consequences.

    There's probably some additional politics going on here - Morocco are the only country willing to host the women's tournament, which will get much lower crowds and will presumably be heavily loss-making. But this year's tournament is also the qualifiers for the 2027 women's world cup, so AFCON would face utter humiliation on the world stage if it doesn't go ahead. It's already been delayed because Morocco threw their toys out of the pram and said they wouldn't host it after the result of the men's tournament. So they had some leverage over AFCON that wouldn't normally apply, and that might explain why AFCON were willing to go way beyond the normal levels of match-fixing.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,422
    Chizz said:
    The longest VAR decision yet
    90+87,600'
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,422
    Weegie Addick said:
    And there was me planning a trip to Kenya to watch Collins in 2027 🤦🏽‍♀️
    Just don't expect to find out the result while you're still there.
  • DyerConsequences
    DyerConsequences Posts: 2,905
    Swindon_Addick said:
    If the game had been declared a forfeit at the time, no-one could have complained. For all that Senegal had a point about bias in the tournament, you can't simply walk off. But AFCON wanted the game to be played out and having done that they should live with the consequences.

    There's probably some additional politics going on here - Morocco are the only country willing to host the women's tournament, which will get much lower crowds and will presumably be heavily loss-making. But this year's tournament is also the qualifiers for the 2027 women's world cup, so AFCON would face utter humiliation on the world stage if it doesn't go ahead. It's already been delayed because Morocco threw their toys out of the pram and said they wouldn't host it after the result of the men's tournament. So they had some leverage over AFCON that wouldn't normally apply, and that might explain why AFCON were willing to go way beyond the normal levels of match-fixing.
    Vice president of AFCON is also Moroccan. I'm sure he wouldn't have used any influence though to try and sway this decision  :D
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,574
    North Lower Neil said:
    DaveMehmet said:
    The game should have been abandoned when Senegal walked off.
    Ref should have been booking them all for leaving the field of play without permission, and then threatening them all with a second yellow for excessively delaying a restart.

    But he didn't, so the game shouldn't be being effectively re-reffed now.

    Frankly if you want to start re-reffing games from that tournament, then they could start with a few of the decisions in earlier rounds that favoured Morocco....
    What do the laws of the game actually say about players leaving the pitch?
  • Swindon_Addick
    Swindon_Addick Posts: 1,898
    DyerConsequences said:
    Swindon_Addick said:
    If the game had been declared a forfeit at the time, no-one could have complained. For all that Senegal had a point about bias in the tournament, you can't simply walk off. But AFCON wanted the game to be played out and having done that they should live with the consequences.

    There's probably some additional politics going on here - Morocco are the only country willing to host the women's tournament, which will get much lower crowds and will presumably be heavily loss-making. But this year's tournament is also the qualifiers for the 2027 women's world cup, so AFCON would face utter humiliation on the world stage if it doesn't go ahead. It's already been delayed because Morocco threw their toys out of the pram and said they wouldn't host it after the result of the men's tournament. So they had some leverage over AFCON that wouldn't normally apply, and that might explain why AFCON were willing to go way beyond the normal levels of match-fixing.
    Vice president of AFCON is also Moroccan. I'm sure he wouldn't have used any influence though to try and sway this decision  :D
    For the benefit of any lawyers reading, I am 100% sure you are right.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,552
    Although not specifically written into the Laws of Association Football, it's a well-understood convention that, if, when the scores are level and you have a penalty deep into added time, you miss with an attempted Panenka, you don't deserve to win. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,422
    se9addick said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    DaveMehmet said:
    The game should have been abandoned when Senegal walked off.
    Ref should have been booking them all for leaving the field of play without permission, and then threatening them all with a second yellow for excessively delaying a restart.

    But he didn't, so the game shouldn't be being effectively re-reffed now.

    Frankly if you want to start re-reffing games from that tournament, then they could start with a few of the decisions in earlier rounds that favoured Morocco....
    What do the laws of the game actually say about players leaving the pitch?
    CAUTIONABLE OFFENCES

    A player is cautioned if guilty of:

    delaying the restart of play
    dissent by word or action
    entering, re-entering or deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission
    failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball, corner kick, free kick or throw-in
    persistent offences (no specific number or pattern of offences constitutes “persistent”)
    unsporting behaviour
    entering the referee review area (RRA)
    excessively using the 'review' (TV screen) signal
    A substitute or substituted player is cautioned if guilty of:
    delaying the restart of play
    dissent by word or action
    entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee’s permission
    unsporting behaviour
    entering the referee review area (RRA)
    excessively using the 'review' (TV screen) signal

    So the ref could have booked the lot of them for leaving, for a start, and it's arguably unsporting behaviour too.

    I think refusal to play can then be called a forfeit and 3-0 win, like when Scotland had their 'One team in Tallinn' match in the 90s.  But it normally happens at the time!
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 11,891
    DaveMehmet said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    If we can change the outcome of games after they have finished, I would like to go back and change the result of the game when we all threw our merchandise brochures on the pitch when Stevie Brown was being stretchered off after injuring himself making a handball.
    We won though?
    Did we? Ok scratch that!
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 18,129
    AFCON is absolutely bonkers and I love it.

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