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Danny Hylton Signs As Player Coach

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  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 1,020
    It depends if Hylton told Bree to go near post for set pieces today part of the responsibility falls on him if Bree genuinely just couldn’t hit a decent cross to implement his ideas Hylton can’t get the blame. Jones was saying Hylton was responsible for the set piece at Hull so shows he can somewhat do the job 
  • Carl_bratton
    Carl_bratton Posts: 74
    That second half sequence of short corners was atrocious. Needs to rethink his game plan 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,847
    sammy391 said:
    Scoham said:
    Hylton won’t be telling Bree to hit the first man. I don’t think we can put this entirely down to Hylton not being as good as Brayne.
    Granted he’s not orchestrating that, but he will be controlling the fact we have a random player always taking up a weird offside position whilst we constantly lump it to the back post 
    That works if the delivery is correct to the back post, then the offside player is in a great position for the header back across. 

    TC did this against Coventry, ball dropped to him and we scored. It’s a common tactic, even in open play. Have seen Harry Kane do it, stand offside so you’re unmarked, and then when the ball goes wide in behind you are onside as behind the ball and unmarked to score 

  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,847
    Hylton is clearly not the problem, our set pieces have been fine this season. We’ve scored the 3rd most from them in the league this season. Defensively as well we are good at them, conceding the 4th least in the league. Based on goals for and against from set pieces us and Millwall are probably the 2 standout teams in the league 

    Today the problem was blatantly obvious, the set piece taker 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,399
    BalladMan said:
    My sons u13 team takes better corners (short and long) than we managed today. Woeful organisation.  
    My old Reliant Robin takes better corners than we saw today.


  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,228
    edited December 2025
    The weird thing thing was apters corners against Oxford were pretty good. Why did he not take control of the situation and demand to take them when on?  He could see they had been useless for the rest of the match. Either a lack of personal ownership or they are all shit scared to go against Nathan’s game plan (I assume the latter). Having total and utter control of all footballing matters (as Nathan now does) is great, until it starts to fall apart. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,346
    BalladMan said:
    The weird thing thing was apters corners against Oxford were pretty good. Why did he not take control of the situation and demand to take them when on?  He could see they had been useless for the rest of the match. Either a lack of personal ownership or they are all shit scared to go against Nathan’s game plan (I assume the latter). Having total and utter control of all footballing matters (as Nathan now does) is great, until it starts to fall apart. 
    Pretty sure he did, he took at least one free kick
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,221
    fenaddick said:
    BalladMan said:
    The weird thing thing was apters corners against Oxford were pretty good. Why did he not take control of the situation and demand to take them when on?  He could see they had been useless for the rest of the match. Either a lack of personal ownership or they are all shit scared to go against Nathan’s game plan (I assume the latter). Having total and utter control of all footballing matters (as Nathan now does) is great, until it starts to fall apart. 
    Pretty sure he did, he took at least one free kick
    He did, after Carey had shown he was as bad as Bree. Apter then followed suit.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,578
    The short corner to Apter where it was clear he would be on the wrong foot was one of the most obviously stupid things I've seen Charlton do
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,880
    edited December 2025
    Bree was brilliant in terms of delivery when he joined us. Lately any of us could probably do better. I mean yesterday he couldn't lift the ball (and in other recent games). Not sure how that is Hylton's fault in any way.

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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,746
    He’s got to be carrying an injury, as mentioned above, his drop off in performance is incredible.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,798
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    He’s got to be carrying an injury, as mentioned above, his drop off in performance is incredible.
    He is CF said so
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,412
    edited December 2025
    Scoham said:
    Hylton won’t be telling Bree to hit the first man. I don’t think we can put this entirely down to Hylton not being as good as Brayne.
    No trust me he did.
    I have it on good authority Hylton said to Breen "every time we get a corner can you £$%$ it up and make sure you don't get it past the first defender".
  • _uptheaddicks
    _uptheaddicks Posts: 178
    Looking more and more like a 'yes' man to me.

    Bringing Godden on to defend a throw was an insult to the great lad, let alone the bizarre tactical thinking. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 97,095
    edited 12:14PM
    I suspect that particular substitution was always planned for Matty to get that many minutes, given how long he's been out
    Might have backfired had we conceded from the throw as wasn't the wisest of timing, but we didn't. Dont think there is anything more to it than that.
    I wont even be surprised if we dont see Matty in the squad tomorrow, to avoid easing him in so quickly.
    Either way I dont see how the incident made Hylton a "Yes" man
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,346
    The bigger problem was his refusal to let any player up the pitch when defending set pieces against a team of 8 outfield players
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 97,095
    edited 12:18PM
    fenaddick said:
    The bigger problem was his refusal to let any player up the pitch when defending set pieces against a team of 8 outfield players
    I think it was just plain over caution... We'd won a single game in a long period, and had just thrown away a two goal lead vs Blackburn.
    If we werent in such a predicament, I'd like to think that we'd maybe have taken more of a risk.
    Maybe as well its because it was Sheff Utd, they've still got a lot of the squad that got them third last year, so have the talent to hurt you - If we'd conceded I imagine there would be questions asked, as to why we didnt just drag everyone back
    Seemed very much like the tactics at times, that Curbs used to quote... You stop the rot, by any means possible.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 38,080
    fenaddick said:
    The bigger problem was his refusal to let any player up the pitch when defending set pieces against a team of 8 outfield players
    I know he’s the set piece coach, but was that his decision or a general principal of NJ? I think we always tend to bring the entire team back to defend set pieces, regardless of who was in that role - it’s not necessarily Hylton’s call to make.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 16,068
    absolutely ridiculous not to leave a player upfield anyway when defending set plays - there will always be an extra defender left back with them.

    even more bonkers when we had a 2 man advantage - just invited undue pressure
  • Bolderhumphreyreid
    Bolderhumphreyreid Posts: 2,568
    Sheff Utd. had all 9 players in or around the penalty box for that last minute throw in.

    If we'd have stuck 2 players on the half way line they would've had to have dropped at least 3 players back which meant they would only have 5 in the box to attack it.

    Surely against 9 players you have at least one, possibly two, players up the field for oppo corners/throw ins???

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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,847
    edited 1:17PM

    _uptheaddicks said:
    Looking more and more like a 'yes' man to me.

    Bringing Godden on to defend a throw was an insult to the great lad, let alone the bizarre tactical thinking. 
    Didn’t realise the role of set piece coach also included deciding substitutions?

    Really don’t get any of the Hylton criticism. Looking at the stats our set pieces have been very good this season 

    We are joint 5th in the league for set piece goals for, and joint 3rd for least conceded. Could argue we are the best team in the league from set pieces this season from the numbers 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,632
    ForeverAddickted said:
    I suspect that particular substitution was always planned for Matty to get that many minutes, given how long he's been out
    Might have backfired had we conceded from the throw as wasn't the wisest of timing, but we didn't. Dont think there is anything more to it than that.
    I wont even be surprised if we dont see Matty in the squad tomorrow, to avoid easing him in so quickly.
    Either way I dont see how the incident made Hylton a "Yes" man
    He got what, a minute? If it was planned then plans need to change as it made no logical sense.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,346
    I think the Godden sub was actually linked to another thread and was an attempt to change the crowd from being edgy to being positive because of Godden's return
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,040
    edited 1:36PM
    NabySarr said:

    _uptheaddicks said:
    Looking more and more like a 'yes' man to me.

    Bringing Godden on to defend a throw was an insult to the great lad, let alone the bizarre tactical thinking. 
    Didn’t realise the role of set piece coach also included deciding substitutions?

    Really don’t get any of the Hylton criticism. Looking at the stats our set pieces have been very good this season 

    We are joint 5th in the league for set piece goals for, and joint 3rd for least conceded. Could argue we are the best team in the league from set pieces this season from the numbers 
    How many of those are since he took over the gig?

  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,847
    Elthamaddick said:
    absolutely ridiculous not to leave a player upfield anyway when defending set plays - there will always be an extra defender left back with them.

    even more bonkers when we had a 2 man advantage - just invited undue pressure
    Nearly every team defends like this though so there is obviously some logic to it. I’d imagine the theory is if there’s more people in the box there’s less space for people to make runs and lose their markers. 

    It was maybe overly-cautious but realistically set pieces were the only way 9 men were going to score so I’m guessing we went with the defensive approach to make sure we stop their only threat 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,346
    edited 1:40PM
    Croydon said:
    NabySarr said:

    _uptheaddicks said:
    Looking more and more like a 'yes' man to me.

    Bringing Godden on to defend a throw was an insult to the great lad, let alone the bizarre tactical thinking. 
    Didn’t realise the role of set piece coach also included deciding substitutions?

    Really don’t get any of the Hylton criticism. Looking at the stats our set pieces have been very good this season 

    We are joint 5th in the league for set piece goals for, and joint 3rd for least conceded. Could argue we are the best team in the league from set pieces this season from the numbers 
    How many of those are since he took over the gig?

    He was named set piece coach before the season started so all of them. It might have been post Watford so if you're feeling harsh it's all minus 1 but I think it's likely he was in charge of set pieces then too
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 38,080
    NabySarr said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    absolutely ridiculous not to leave a player upfield anyway when defending set plays - there will always be an extra defender left back with them.

    even more bonkers when we had a 2 man advantage - just invited undue pressure
    Nearly every team defends like this though so there is obviously some logic to it. I’d imagine the theory is if there’s more people in the box there’s less space for people to make runs and lose their markers. 

    It was maybe overly-cautious but realistically set pieces were the only way 9 men were going to score so I’m guessing we went with the defensive approach to make sure we stop their only threat 
    That plus it’s probably rare to actually score from a counter attack by leaving someone on the half way line.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,730
    I didn't think our defending of set pieces was that good anyway, as we had too many players in the 6 yard box, and not enough marking the runners further out. With Jones who's just about the best centre back in the division in the air, Miles and Dykes, we had enough height to win the first ball, it's the second ball which could have been an issue.

    Indeed in general, in the second half when United attacked, our defence retreated en masse, leaving 5 players marking 1 attacker, and masses of space ahead of them for their runners. Something which has been an issue for us in recent games, marking space and not players. On a positive note, a lot of our goals this season have been from midfield runners. We score that way, so should be aware of it when defending.

    I can understand everyone retreating in the last couple of minutes, but earlier in the half we still didn't leave anyone up the pitch, which was ridiculous.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 14,346
    killerandflash said:
    I didn't think our defending of set pieces was that good anyway, as we had too many players in the 6 yard box, and not enough marking the runners further out. With Jones who's just about the best centre back in the division in the air, Miles and Dykes, we had enough height to win the first ball, it's the second ball which could have been an issue.

    Indeed in general, in the second half when United attacked, our defence retreated en masse, leaving 5 players marking 1 attacker, and masses of space ahead of them for their runners. Something which has been an issue for us in recent games, marking space and not players. On a positive note, a lot of our goals this season have been from midfield runners. We score that way, so should be aware of it when defending.

    I can understand everyone retreating in the last couple of minutes, but earlier in the half we still didn't leave anyone up the pitch, which was ridiculous.
    If you take out the 9 men for a second (I know, I know), Sheffield United are one of the best set piece teams in the league, part of that is because those runs are very clever

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