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I keep hearing about the hugely talented side we sent out there. Honestly never saw it myself?
Huge question marks for me over Crawley,Duckett Pope and Brook and a bowling attack that is more than a bit Meh.
Wood is a pair of walking crutches. Archer has missed a huge amount of Cricket and his fitness is very very suspect. Carse and Atkinson really nothing special. Add to that a battered and bruised Stokes who will really struggle to hold up for 5 tests.
If you asked the Aussies whon they would want from our squad based on ability and fitness levels then Root would be the only one imo.1 -
Pope is the big one for me. If we had a solid number 3 then you can sort of afford to have Brooke etc. playing a bit stupidly on occasion. If someone could play at 3 like Stokes did yesterday then you have more of a platform, a softer ball and more tired bowlers for the explosive middle order to exploit. If he ever stops bowling Stokes could make a decent 3 for England, what I don't know is who that player is right now. It certainly isn't Bethell though0
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Massive hype over Archer, who to me is a top class white ball bowler, but still unproven as a Test match bowler. A few great spells, but it takes more than that to be a Test match bowler. Can he come back spell after spell, and still be fast? Does he take enough wickets?carly burn said:I keep hearing about the hugely talented side we sent out there. Honestly never saw it myself?
Huge question marks for me over Crawley,Duckett Pope and Brook and a bowling attack that is more than a bit Meh.
Wood is a pair of walking crutches. Archer has missed a huge amount of Cricket and his fitness is very very suspect. Carse and Atkinson really nothing special. Add to that a battered and bruised Stokes who will really struggle to hold up for 5 tests.
If you asked the Aussies whon they would want from our squad based on ability and fitness levels then Root would be the only one imo.
In 17 Tests, he's taken 54 wickets at 32. Those aren't the stats of someone who'd going to terrorise the Aussies.2 -
Fair point!Leuth said:
Bad comparison for Pope there lol, saying he's mentally weak in Australia compared to a guy who basically had a full breakdown and retired cos Mitchell Johnson bowled quite fast at himBig_Bob said:You need balls to play in Oz. Need to take the fight to them.
Unfortunately Pope/Smith just do not have it. They are both mentally weak. Compare Pope to someone like Trott. Miles apart. Not sure about Duckett. Weirdly, I think Crawley does have it, just worry about his concentration lapses.
I meant the Trott of that 4-5 year period around 08/09 to 13/2014 where he was brilliant. Pope doesn't have it in him to reach that level IMO0 -
Just 15 of those 54 wickets have come away from home too and each at a cost of 44.60 apiece. It's also now more than six years since Archer made his England debut so that's less than three Tests a year. He's also played 71 white ball internationals so, all told, that's just a fraction of just over one game a month for the duration of his England career.killerandflash said:
Massive hype over Archer, who to me is a top class white ball bowler, but still unproven as a Test match bowler. A few great spells, but it takes more than that to be a Test match bowler. Can he come back spell after spell, and still be fast? Does he take enough wickets?carly burn said:I keep hearing about the hugely talented side we sent out there. Honestly never saw it myself?
Huge question marks for me over Crawley,Duckett Pope and Brook and a bowling attack that is more than a bit Meh.
Wood is a pair of walking crutches. Archer has missed a huge amount of Cricket and his fitness is very very suspect. Carse and Atkinson really nothing special. Add to that a battered and bruised Stokes who will really struggle to hold up for 5 tests.
If you asked the Aussies whon they would want from our squad based on ability and fitness levels then Root would be the only one imo.
In 17 Tests, he's taken 54 wickets at 32. Those aren't the stats of someone who'd going to terrorise the Aussies.
Smith sledged him yesterday with "you only bowl fast when there's nothing going on, champ" and there's an element of truth in that. Archer was more than 10km down in pace in the second innings of the first Test and first innings of the second Test. Hopefully Smith has sufficiently fired him up for the third Test!4 -
Addick Addict said:England Lions, so as not to feel left out, lost by an innings and 127 runs to the Australia A side. Bethell made 19 and 71 in the match and Bashir returned figures of 25-2-115-0.
The one shining light is the aforementioned Asa Tribe who made 129 not out of a Lions second innings total of 295. He took 195 balls (perfect for Test cricket but a strike rate of 66.15 is bound to be sniffed at by the Bazballers) and faced the bowling of four international bowlers plus a future one in the shape of Fergus O'Neill.
Very very interested to see how Tribe goes in Div 1 next season especially if he opens for Glamorgan. Could be the player we've been looking for along with Ben McKinney.
Would like to see Cox at least get a look at 3 next summer , the Pope experiment is well and truly over for me and it's time to look elsewhere.0
