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POST-MATCH THREAD: Wrexham v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 8th November 2025: KO 15:00

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  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 23,104
    edited November 10
    TellyTubby said:
    Croydon said:
    TellyTubby said:
    fenaddick said:
    Here’s a clip of the pen, it 100% hits his fist. Absolutely no need for his hand to be there

    https://x.com/itvfootball/status/1987273358082249095?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    I'm not saying that he didn't handle it, but I've watched these clips at least a dozen times and I honestly can't say that I can see him handle it or not. Neither the ref nor the lino react in anyway, so why on earth did the ref change his mind, and who would have had a better view?

    It's moments like this that refs should explain their decisions for clarity, or their combined reputation will only suffer.
    It's so obvious on the replay that it hits his hand. Are you genuinely saying you can't see it?
    Indeed I am. I just don't see that it's obvious. 

    I don't believe that anybody else in ground thought it was obvious either.
    Well said TT, because his hand is in the air, nothing obvious about his alleged hand ball...
    Maybe time to put it all down to luck, "good" for Wrexham and "bad" for us,,,and move on..
  • doronron
    doronron Posts: 824
    TellyTubby said:
    Croydon said:
    TellyTubby said:
    fenaddick said:
    Here’s a clip of the pen, it 100% hits his fist. Absolutely no need for his hand to be there

    https://x.com/itvfootball/status/1987273358082249095?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    I'm not saying that he didn't handle it, but I've watched these clips at least a dozen times and I honestly can't say that I can see him handle it or not. Neither the ref nor the lino react in anyway, so why on earth did the ref change his mind, and who would have had a better view?

    It's moments like this that refs should explain their decisions for clarity, or their combined reputation will only suffer.
    It's so obvious on the replay that it hits his hand. Are you genuinely saying you can't see it?
    Indeed I am. I just don't see that it's obvious. 

    I don't believe that anybody else in ground thought it was obvious either.
    The moment it happened I thought for Christ sake what are you doing,keep your arms down 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,413
    Once again the international break has come at the right time for us as we have a long injury list and a few players are coming down with some kind of bug 

    Better finishing could have made for a very different result. In a game of 2 halves we won the first but missed a few chances and were foiled by some very good goalkeeping
    Wrexham were far better in the second half but it still took a fluky penalty for them to score. A draw would have been a fair result.
    BUT (all together now) we've gotta start scoring more to get wins on the board

    We're all hoping that the sick and lame get well soon and that we come back after the break, fit, healthy and raring to go again  
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,053
    edited November 10
    Crispywood said:
    Croydon said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Despise Wrexham, absolute shit hole full of Welsh mugs. 

    Hernandez is a bell end for that, thick as shit.

    We need to try get 4 points from the next three otherwise I can see a slide coming on.
    4 points from the next 3, bearing in mind who we're playing, would be a great return. 
    4? We’re playing the best 2 sides in the league (now Carrick has gone) away from home and on paper the 2nd best squad in the division with a new manager. I’ll be happy if we can get 1-2 points from the next 3, I’m all for being optimistic but it’s not like we’re fighting for top 2 
    We also went to Ipswich and won 3-0.

    Absolutely not out the question we can nick a point away at Stoke and beat Southampton at home. I hope NJ and the players have a similar mindset.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,757
    TellyTubby said:
    Croydon said:
    TellyTubby said:
    fenaddick said:
    Here’s a clip of the pen, it 100% hits his fist. Absolutely no need for his hand to be there

    https://x.com/itvfootball/status/1987273358082249095?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    I'm not saying that he didn't handle it, but I've watched these clips at least a dozen times and I honestly can't say that I can see him handle it or not. Neither the ref nor the lino react in anyway, so why on earth did the ref change his mind, and who would have had a better view?

    It's moments like this that refs should explain their decisions for clarity, or their combined reputation will only suffer.
    It's so obvious on the replay that it hits his hand. Are you genuinely saying you can't see it?
    Indeed I am. I just don't see that it's obvious. 

    I don't believe that anybody else in ground thought it was obvious either.
    I’m with you. I’ve watched it a few times and still can’t be certain it hit his hand. There’s no way the officials could be certain in real time and if you can’t be certain you don’t give it. Anyway, neither the ref or linesman gave it so I’d really like to know who made the decision. Are 4th officials now reffing the game?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,002
    Not only can you see the ball hit his hand here you can see the ball change direction, his fingers bend back and the fact the ball goes over his head

    https://x.com/paul_davieswxm/status/1987311796139491600?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,141
    I cannot for the life of me fathom wtf Hernandez was trying to do. There was no oppo player near him and the ball was heading out of the danger area.
    Seeing it live and on several replays I am still not sure it hit his hand, but then it didn't look like he headed it either. But his ridiculous arm positions gave the ref a decision to make.
    It looked more like a mid air tasering than an attempt to head a football.
    Also, of course it was the ref's decision, he just took a while to make up his mind. Was probably as bamboozled as we were
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,563
    fenaddick said:
    Not only can you see the ball hit his hand here you can see the ball change direction, his fingers bend back and the fact the ball goes over his head

    https://x.com/paul_davieswxm/status/1987311796139491600?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    At last, something definitive. Thanks.

    I agree with you, it shows the offence. I never claimed that it never happened,  just that I don't get how anyone could be sure at the time, and given the lack of reaction from absolutely everyone,  who decided it was a pen and brought it to the attention of the ref?

    Im not complaining about the decision,  just confused.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,002
    I still think it was the ref who made the decision, he just took a second to do so which is fine. There's an angle earlier in the thread where you can see the ref is looking right at it
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,042
    LargeAddick said:
    TellyTubby said:
    Croydon said:
    TellyTubby said:
    fenaddick said:
    Here’s a clip of the pen, it 100% hits his fist. Absolutely no need for his hand to be there

    https://x.com/itvfootball/status/1987273358082249095?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    I'm not saying that he didn't handle it, but I've watched these clips at least a dozen times and I honestly can't say that I can see him handle it or not. Neither the ref nor the lino react in anyway, so why on earth did the ref change his mind, and who would have had a better view?

    It's moments like this that refs should explain their decisions for clarity, or their combined reputation will only suffer.
    It's so obvious on the replay that it hits his hand. Are you genuinely saying you can't see it?
    Indeed I am. I just don't see that it's obvious. 

    I don't believe that anybody else in ground thought it was obvious either.
    I’m with you. I’ve watched it a few times and still can’t be certain it hit his hand. There’s no way the officials could be certain in real time and if you can’t be certain you don’t give it. Anyway, neither the ref or linesman gave it so I’d really like to know who made the decision. Are 4th officials now reffing the game?
    Ultimately there was no reason for him to have his arms up in the air like that anyway. Whether or not it did actually hit his hand in the event, it absolutely definitely would NOT have done if he hadn't decided to imitate Michael Jordan in Space Jam.

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  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 23,104
    Just think, if it wasn't for "The hand of Onel" we would have had naf all to talk about...😉
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,227
    edited November 10
    fenaddick said:
    Not only can you see the ball hit his hand here you can see the ball change direction, his fingers bend back and the fact the ball goes over his head

    https://x.com/paul_davieswxm/status/1987311796139491600?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Really ugly watch that. Like a 5 year old trying to head a football for the first time. Horrible technique and timing.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,112
    Exiled_Addick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Not only can you see the ball hit his hand here you can see the ball change direction, his fingers bend back and the fact the ball goes over his head

    https://x.com/paul_davieswxm/status/1987311796139491600?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Really ugly watch that. Like a 5 year old trying to head football for the first time. Horrible technique and timing.
    Baffling really, and Onel playing out of position is no explanation for that error either.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,658
    Maybe he plays in a position where he doesn't need to head the ball that often cos he's so bad at it? 🤷‍♀️
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,331
    Not sure it matters who made the decision, it is clearly the right decision.  Annoying as he had no need to do it, but there you go. Whilst it is frustrating to lose, when you think we had 3 key defenders out, one defender injured but playing, two defenders with flu but playing, our captain with flu and on the bench, last season's top scorer injured and another key striker injured in the warm up then the fact we feel sore to lose 1-0 away from home to a team who spent £30-40M in the summer shows what a fantastic job we are doing.
  • ro_addick
    ro_addick Posts: 290
    A totally wasted point. Needless penalty. We need these points. Every single one. Every match. COYR!
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 23,104
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Not sure it matters who made the decision, it is clearly the right decision.  Annoying as he had no need to do it, but there you go. Whilst it is frustrating to lose, when you think we had 3 key defenders out, one defender injured but playing, two defenders with flu but playing, our captain with flu and on the bench, last season's top scorer injured and another key striker injured in the warm up then the fact we feel sore to lose 1-0 away from home to a team who spent £30-40M in the summer shows what a fantastic job we are doing.
    Spot on there mate...i'm well pissed orf...👌
  • cafc_se7
    cafc_se7 Posts: 2,286
    Send the lads away for a few days to somewhere hot. Regroup. Go again. It’s a great start to the season.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,474
    Yeah not saying I've seen anyone going negative, but I hope they don't. We're doing well so far and so long as we stay up we've achieved the goal for this season. 

    However... I personally think we created enough chances to score, but our non-scoring players in those good positions couldn't finish. If I were to have one complaint this season, that would be it. Without midfield goals we'd been in a much worse position. 

    Something to consider in January in my opinion, whether that's about supplying better service or having players that can do something with the current service.
  • OhMyGodden
    OhMyGodden Posts: 282
    AFKABartram said:
    LargeAddick said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Retrospectively, fair play to Wrexham. They ‘upped it’ as a team and fans second half and we just didn’t have enough in an offensive sense to trouble them. 

    The real frustrating thing was I thought we had just about weathered their storm when we gave away the stupid penalty. Utterly bizarre it was in front of the home end and not a single fan of theirs claimed for it. Just Wrexham’s luck they once again had the most eagle eyed of officials there. 

    Lot of frustration Leaburn wasn’t brought on to give us some form of out ball 2nd half, but I don’t think many in ground knew of the injury. Was clear mid second half a few players are not 100%. Lloyd Jones looked like he was really struggling, but the level of commitment this group show is extraordinary. 

    It’s a really tough league, I’ve tried being cautious when others are saying we should look be looking forwards, but it’s very easy to go a month without a win here and pressure then mounts. The international break has been good timed. 

    Stayed the weekend in Wrexham. Pretty amazing they have taken a relatively small town the size of Tonbridge to the fringes of the Premier League. Feel they may have hit their ceiling now. 
    Leaburn wasn’t on the bench to bring on.
    I know that now but no one in the ground knew that at the time 
    I did as he and AMB walked past the away end back to the coach and didn't come back again ;)

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  • felix_31
    felix_31 Posts: 297
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Not sure it matters who made the decision, it is clearly the right decision.  Annoying as he had no need to do it, but there you go. Whilst it is frustrating to lose, when you think we had 3 key defenders out, one defender injured but playing, two defenders with flu but playing, our captain with flu and on the bench, last season's top scorer injured and another key striker injured in the warm up then the fact we feel sore to lose 1-0 away from home to a team who spent £30-40M in the summer shows what a fantastic job we are doing.
    Also - a team who recently put a few past Coventry.  On another day thats a 0-0, 1-1 or even a 1-2, so on reflection another performance I take encouragement from personally.  Let's have em at the Valley 
  • felix_31
    felix_31 Posts: 297
    edited November 11
    NJ has also now caught the bug, apparently.  International break perfectly timed for us - thank you to the football Gods. Now bring back our goalscoring God-den, please  
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,277
    I hadn’t seen the handball incident until just now.  Stupid - no attacking player around him either putting him under pressure.  I can’t stand it when players do something that stupid.  All that running the likes of Tanto was doing and the shift from Jones and Ramsay, and then Hernandez does that.  Really poor 
  • ro_addick
    ro_addick Posts: 290
    cabbles said:
    I hadn’t seen the handball incident until just now.  Stupid - no attacking player around him either putting him under pressure.  I can’t stand it when players do something that stupid.  All that running the likes of Tanto was doing and the shift from Jones and Ramsay, and then Hernandez does that.  Really poor 
    Spot on. My feelings entirely. To see a valuable point needlessly squandered is a real gutful. Itm, bring on The Saints and let's put this right straightaway. COYA.
  • Theodore14
    Theodore14 Posts: 6
    We'll be fine. A top half finish and neigh on 70 points. A solid first season back in the second most competitive league in Europe.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,227
    cabbles said:
    I hadn’t seen the handball incident until just now.  Stupid - no attacking player around him either putting him under pressure.  I can’t stand it when players do something that stupid.  All that running the likes of Tanto was doing and the shift from Jones and Ramsay, and then Hernandez does that.  Really poor 
    We need Bell or Edwards back asap, or need to find a better third choice left back. Not sure of that means moving Bree or Ramsay over there and bringing JRC or Apter in at right back or what, but Hernandez has not looked good there at all, imo, and, although he put in a half decent shift on Saturday, TC is needed further up the pitch. We need a solution though because I think it’s going to start hurting us. 
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,313
    I think we are in a very vulnerable position at the moment. Bell and Burke both have a history of being injured for periods and there is no sign of Edwards coming back. None of the back ups playing wingback are good enough.
    But our main threat is if Lloyd Jones is injured, for whom we have no back up and who is pivotal to our whole game plan. We need another good centre back asap, with Gillesphey as reserve. Priority for January.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,804
    I'm still livid with Hernandez. Players were playing through illness and injury and he does that. I don't know how Jones will react, but I have lost trust in the player.
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,322
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I'm still livid with Hernandez. Players were playing through illness and injury and he does that. I don't know how Jones will react, but I have lost trust in the player.
    Every player makes a stupid mistake at some point. He's experienced enough to bounce back and help us out while he's still here.
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,956
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I'm still livid with Hernandez. Players were playing through illness and injury and he does that. I don't know how Jones will react, but I have lost trust in the player.
    He hardly did it on purpose, was just one of those things. 

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