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POST-MATCH THREAD: Wrexham v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 8th November 2025: KO 15:00
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It was accidental handball and made zero impact on the game - if ref's could use common sense, it is never a penalty. A lot of the games laws these days don't make sense and i'm sure to the letter of the law, the ref was adhering to them. One of those things - we've got away with quite a few possible penalty shouts so swings and roundabouts - they've spent £33m on top of the previous years of investment - they should be on top of us at home and so it proved. We may well have nicked another win without that moment but shit happens. Re group and get back behind the team and NJ in 2 weeks time.They are doing brilliantly, we can't expect to win every week.10
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Roll on 22nd November and the visit of Southampton, when we can wash Wrexham out of our hair, and consign yesterday to the drawer marked "Fu*k"...and move onto the one marked "That's better" with a positive result...0
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At the start of the season i was expecting we would not be at the races in more than half the fixtures. Despite the inevitable injury backlog we are at the races and have been mostly unlucky not to be on more points (leicester, millwall and now wrexham). Doing outstandingly well and just hope we can get some bodies back properly fit asap8
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That was way more of a penalty than the one we were given on Tuesday. The arm in a completely unnatural position, the player all by himself with loads of time to get his body set, and the ball wasn't fired at him, indeed he had to stretch above his head to handle it.DOUCHER said:It was accidental handball and made zero impact on the game - if ref's could use common sense, it is never a penalty. A lot of the games laws these days don't make sense and i'm sure to the letter of the law, the ref was adhering to them. One of those things - we've got away with quite a few possible penalty shouts so swings and roundabouts - they've spent £33m on top of the previous years of investment - they should be on top of us at home and so it proved. We may well have nicked another win without that moment but shit happens. Re group and get back behind the team and NJ in 2 weeks time.They are doing brilliantly, we can't expect to win every week.
As handballs go, that was one of the most blatant ones, and correctly punished.
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if he meant it, yes - but he had so much time to look behind him and see there was nobody there, i can't believe he thought he needed to handle it - i think it was an accident and he meant to head itkillerandflash said:
That was way more of a penalty than the one we were given on Tuesday. The arm in a completely unnatural position, the player all by himself with loads of time to get his body set, and the ball wasn't fired at him, indeed he had to stretch above his head to handle it.DOUCHER said:It was accidental handball and made zero impact on the game - if ref's could use common sense, it is never a penalty. A lot of the games laws these days don't make sense and i'm sure to the letter of the law, the ref was adhering to them. One of those things - we've got away with quite a few possible penalty shouts so swings and roundabouts - they've spent £33m on top of the previous years of investment - they should be on top of us at home and so it proved. We may well have nicked another win without that moment but shit happens. Re group and get back behind the team and NJ in 2 weeks time.They are doing brilliantly, we can't expect to win every week.
As handballs go, that was one of the most blatant ones, and correctly punished.3 -
Are performances have not been particularly good for manty games now. just think of the second half against Derby, the first half against Ipswich, Preston away I gather was bad, Hull we only just deserved the draw, WBA was just a big piece of luck, and so forth with the other games. Whether it is because of the physical intensity with which Nathan Jones expect players to perform at in every game is not sustainable , or as I think we over estimate the abilities of most of our players, which is natural as they play for our team.killerandflash said:Lets be realistic, we weren't great on Tuesday, and we weren't great yesterday. On the Charlton TV commentary yesterday, Brownie noted that our performance levels had dropped off slightly, which is a perfectly fair observation, as you can't play brilliantly in every game, especially with the grind of the Championship taking its toll physically.
That could easily have been two nil nil draws. Instead we won one and lost one, which is actually better as it's 3 points instead of 2.
Who knows, that extra point could be crucial come the end of the season. I always think back to 2019/20 when in consecutive games
1) We conceded a last minute equaliser to Hull in added time
2) We scored a last minute equaliser against QPR in added time
So 2 points, whereas if we had held on against Hull, and lost against QPR we would have got 3 points from those two games. That 1 extra point would have kept us up.
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If he looked around him and saw he had so much time to head it then why the hell did he put his arm above his head.DOUCHER said:
if he meant it, yes - but he had so much time to look behind him and see there was nobody there, i can't believe he thought he needed to handle it - i think it was an accident and he meant to head itkillerandflash said:
That was way more of a penalty than the one we were given on Tuesday. The arm in a completely unnatural position, the player all by himself with loads of time to get his body set, and the ball wasn't fired at him, indeed he had to stretch above his head to handle it.DOUCHER said:It was accidental handball and made zero impact on the game - if ref's could use common sense, it is never a penalty. A lot of the games laws these days don't make sense and i'm sure to the letter of the law, the ref was adhering to them. One of those things - we've got away with quite a few possible penalty shouts so swings and roundabouts - they've spent £33m on top of the previous years of investment - they should be on top of us at home and so it proved. We may well have nicked another win without that moment but shit happens. Re group and get back behind the team and NJ in 2 weeks time.They are doing brilliantly, we can't expect to win every week.
As handballs go, that was one of the most blatant ones, and correctly punished.
It was as clear a penalty as you can get3 -
Yup it is a penalty 100% my issue is where I was sitting the guy who crossed was miles offside when the ball was passed to him unless my eyes got it wrong but he genuinely looked well off side I can’t work out how the linesman missed itblackpool72 said:
If he looked around him and saw he had so much time to head it then why the hell did he put his arm above his head.DOUCHER said:
if he meant it, yes - but he had so much time to look behind him and see there was nobody there, i can't believe he thought he needed to handle it - i think it was an accident and he meant to head itkillerandflash said:
That was way more of a penalty than the one we were given on Tuesday. The arm in a completely unnatural position, the player all by himself with loads of time to get his body set, and the ball wasn't fired at him, indeed he had to stretch above his head to handle it.DOUCHER said:It was accidental handball and made zero impact on the game - if ref's could use common sense, it is never a penalty. A lot of the games laws these days don't make sense and i'm sure to the letter of the law, the ref was adhering to them. One of those things - we've got away with quite a few possible penalty shouts so swings and roundabouts - they've spent £33m on top of the previous years of investment - they should be on top of us at home and so it proved. We may well have nicked another win without that moment but shit happens. Re group and get back behind the team and NJ in 2 weeks time.They are doing brilliantly, we can't expect to win every week.
As handballs go, that was one of the most blatant ones, and correctly punished.
It was as clear a penalty as you can get2 -
I must have been sitting near where you were and he looked at least a couple of yards offside.AndyG said:
Yup it is a penalty 100% my issue is where I was sitting the guy who crossed was miles offside when the ball was passed to him unless my eyes got it wrong but he genuinely looked well off side I can’t work out how the linesman missed itblackpool72 said:
If he looked around him and saw he had so much time to head it then why the hell did he put his arm above his head.DOUCHER said:
if he meant it, yes - but he had so much time to look behind him and see there was nobody there, i can't believe he thought he needed to handle it - i think it was an accident and he meant to head itkillerandflash said:
That was way more of a penalty than the one we were given on Tuesday. The arm in a completely unnatural position, the player all by himself with loads of time to get his body set, and the ball wasn't fired at him, indeed he had to stretch above his head to handle it.DOUCHER said:It was accidental handball and made zero impact on the game - if ref's could use common sense, it is never a penalty. A lot of the games laws these days don't make sense and i'm sure to the letter of the law, the ref was adhering to them. One of those things - we've got away with quite a few possible penalty shouts so swings and roundabouts - they've spent £33m on top of the previous years of investment - they should be on top of us at home and so it proved. We may well have nicked another win without that moment but shit happens. Re group and get back behind the team and NJ in 2 weeks time.They are doing brilliantly, we can't expect to win every week.
As handballs go, that was one of the most blatant ones, and correctly punished.
It was as clear a penalty as you can get
In fact when the Ref blew his whistle we all thought it was for offside.
If this had of been a Premier league game and Var reviewed it the handball would have been irrelevant as the offside was the original offence0 -
The first through ball is very tight but just onside i think from freezing the replay. Ball hit first time from the lay off, and is obscured behind Carey here, on half way, as it is hit to the wing
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Just looking at the match report on the website and it actually lists Laqeretabua as a sub and not Leaburn.
So no wonder Leaburn never got brought on!
All very strange as everyone seemed to think Leaburn was named as a sub although I think someone said he might have got injured in the warm up.
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Leaburn was in the graphic and we didn't get a correction/update but it does sound like he was replacedFortune 82nd Minute said:Just looking at the match report on the website and it actually lists Laqeretabua as a sub and not Leaburn.
So no wonder Leaburn never got brought on!
All very strange as everyone seemed to think Leaburn was named as a sub although I think someone said he might have got injured in the warm up.
Anyone know which one was actually the named sub?2 -
And Nathan Jones did noy sound pleased , possibly he expected Miles to play through say a niggle and he and he dod not want tp. This of course just speculation, but what is not is the tone and sharpness Jones answered the question about Miles and injury.fenaddick said:
Leaburn was in the graphic and we didn't get a correction/update but it does sound like he was replacedFortune 82nd Minute said:Just looking at the match report on the website and it actually lists Laqeretabua as a sub and not Leaburn.
So no wonder Leaburn never got brought on!
All very strange as everyone seemed to think Leaburn was named as a sub although I think someone said he might have got injured in the warm up.
Anyone know which one was actually the named sub?2 -
Sounding like Arsenal fansValleyGary said:Match fixing is an absolute whopper, even for our standards.0 -
My word - is the “offside in the build up” that some were pointing to as well?swords_alive said:The first through ball is very tight but just onside i think from freezing the replay. Ball hit first time from the lay off, and is obscured behind Carey here, on half way, as it is hit to the wing
We’ve had a shocker there as well1 -
Regardless of the handball , we did nothing in that second half until berry nearly scored4
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I agree mate and I’m really hoping that if this is the case it doesn’t escalate. I’m pretty sure there is more to the Rapter situation than is being let on hopefully NJ doesn’t go on the turn with Milesmsomerton said:
And Nathan Jones did noy sound pleased , possibly he expected Miles to play through say a niggle and he and he dod not want tp. This of course just speculation, but what is not is the tone and sharpness Jones answered the question about Miles and injury.fenaddick said:
Leaburn was in the graphic and we didn't get a correction/update but it does sound like he was replacedFortune 82nd Minute said:Just looking at the match report on the website and it actually lists Laqeretabua as a sub and not Leaburn.
So no wonder Leaburn never got brought on!
All very strange as everyone seemed to think Leaburn was named as a sub although I think someone said he might have got injured in the warm up.
Anyone know which one was actually the named sub?1 -
Leaburn injured in warm up before gameFortune 82nd Minute said:Just looking at the match report on the website and it actually lists Laqeretabua as a sub and not Leaburn.
So no wonder Leaburn never got brought on!
All very strange as everyone seemed to think Leaburn was named as a sub although I think someone said he might have got injured in the warm up.
Anyone know which one was actually the named sub?1 -
Fortune 82nd Minute said:Just looking at the match report on the website and it actually lists Laqeretabua as a sub and not Leaburn.
So no wonder Leaburn never got brought on!
All very strange as everyone seemed to think Leaburn was named as a sub although I think someone said he might have got injured in the warm up.
Anyone know which one was actually the named sub?
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Knibbs needs some stick as well…should have scored1
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I hoped that both @KiwiValley and I made it clear we weren't seriously suggesting it, but because we both in different ways are close to real examples of it (the Czech league has had significant problems with it), it crossed our minds First we had to accept that Hernandez did handle it, in a really bizarre way, and then a few minutes later very visibly laid into the linesman, and both things seemed otherwise completely inexplicable behaviour.ValleyGary said:Match fixing is an absolute whopper, even for our standards.
But as NJ said, the guy wasn't brought in as a defender at all. It's just such a shame because people had taken to him, he seems like a nice lad, and still has a bit of pace for a 32 year old.0 -
Quite a late upload, never feel motivated to upload the losses.
Will catch up with the thread now
https://youtu.be/uLDjcrnms5Y?si=mpRhoD25w9bw_zh0 5 -
My view of the game was, Wrexhams spending prowess showed. They had Windass, Hardie and Smith as options to come on up top (all 3 would start for us) we had no one.
Dobbo looked class, he's improved since leaving us.
Felt first half we could have gone 1 or 2 up, second half, we just wasn't there, at all. Parkinson got it all right second half, and we looked a bit lost.
Not the end of the world, a tough game up against Southampton next. Well needed international break.1 -
And Charlton could still be playing without scoring.AFKABartram said:Gorgeous skyline over Wrexham this morning
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Good old Dobbo wouldn't rat on his old pals.eastterrace6168 said:
Ref and Dobbo, both took no notice, I mean, can you imagine Dobbo staying shtum if he saw it as handballfenaddick said:Ref looking right at it from that angle. Can only assume the delay was him asking for confirmation from the assistants1 -
Clearly fixed. Right out of the Fidel Castro handbook.ValleyGary said:Match fixing is an absolute whopper, even for our standards.0 -
People usually do get abuse on SM websites.EugenesAxe said:Apparently he’s getting abuse on SM6 -
Always cracks me up some of the offsides that fans call and go mental at the Lino for not giving. Thought at the time he was comfortably on but all around me were going mental that it wasn’t given.Callumcafc said:
My word - is the “offside in the build up” that some were pointing to as well?swords_alive said:The first through ball is very tight but just onside i think from freezing the replay. Ball hit first time from the lay off, and is obscured behind Carey here, on half way, as it is hit to the wing
We’ve had a shocker there as well1 -
All in all thought we were poor yesterday but only a stinker of an error cost us the game and a point away would have been a solid result. We also had 3 or 4 decent chances to score which is positive on a day where I thought our creativity was lacking.1
