++Charlie Kelman signs on a 4 year deal++

The Hull commentators mentioned that today was his 34th Champ appearance and he has yet to score a goal. I know he played out of position for a portion of those, but I found that to be a pretty sobering statistic. 

Even if it’s 6 or 7 a year that would still probably outscore all our other forwards 

Bit of credit should go his way for the goal today. Nothing exceptional but he does a nice job of following the goalie’s movement to make sure he’s (legally) blocked off from coming for Bree’s cross which, otherwise, would’ve been right in the zone for the keeper to come and catch it. 

Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will…

ForeverAddickted said:

drawnablank said:

Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 1 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will…

Campbell has at least two assists, whilst an argument can be made for a third; Apter (QPR), Leaburn (Ipswich) and Carey (Sheff Wed) 

Cheers FA. Not sure Sheff Wed gets counted as an assist but I agree that his input towards the goal was significant 

CAFC_boi said:

drawnablank said:

Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will

quite sobering really when TC has just over 15% shot accuracy … 

Not saying it’s good enough but this is a context thing again. Campbell shoots from out wide and is aiming for a slim piece of the goal, a lot of his shots go just past the post (I can think of 3/4 in the last 2 games) whereas the others are shooting more centrally with a larger target to aim for 

ElfsborgAddick said:

Sword65pf said:

Think people need to be fair in they’re views, Charlie was/ is getting judged by shots when he starts and coming off the bench, now I’m ok with all our forwards they all contribute in different ways, with this in mind how many shots did Leaburn have today as a starter?, I don’t recall any so will he be viewed in the same way as Kelman? We need patience with these boys, the attitude of them all is going to see them ok I believe. I think we will see Kelman and oloafe start next week.

If Leaburn has a stinker of a season I can see him being offloaded in the summer.

Been our best striker this season ffs. 21 year old playing championship football for the first time and he’s been decent. Absolutely no chance he leaves in the summer unless he does really well and big money comes in for him 

drawnablank said:

Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will…

What's key to me is whether players are making an impact on the pitch, and in the right place to be useful. Miles yesterday didn't get the flick on, but his presence meant the Hull player marking him got the flick on instead. Tanto on Tuesday had the saved shot which led to the Gillesphey goal.

Tap ins look easy, but you have to be in the right place to get the easy finish. Berry was yesterday,  it's no coincidence that he gets those sort of goals  

paulsturgess said:

fenaddick said:

CAFC_boi said:

drawnablank said:

Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will

quite sobering really when TC has just over 15% shot accuracy … 

Not saying it’s good enough but this is a context thing again. Campbell shoots from out wide and is aiming for a slim piece of the goal, a lot of his shots go just past the post (I can think of 3/4 in the last 2 games) whereas the others are shooting more centrally with a larger target to aim for 

Mmm. Think that’s selective. He missed two chances yesterday that were as good a chance as any our strikers have had all season, think he also missed a pretty much open goal header earlier in the season. TC brings so much but his finishing, crossing and passing are woeful 

Actually think his crossing and passing has gone up a level this season he could have easily had more assists eg Jones headers at Blackburn and Watford. His finishing/decision making is absolute dire but then again you could argue if he could do that he wouldn’t be here 

Exiled_Addick said:

Bit of credit should go his way for the goal today. Nothing exceptional but he does a nice job of following the goalie’s movement to make sure he’s (legally) blocked off from coming for Bree’s cross which, otherwise, would’ve been right in the zone for the keeper to come and catch it. 

Hmm. Can't help but think that really is clutching at straws trying to justify his performance.

Okay. Right. Look. I know this comment is not a direct comparison because it would be sacrilege, but we achieved our best-ever Prem finish in 2003/04 with di Canio only scoring 4 league goals, all of which were penalties (I'm pretty sure).

I am not for one second suggesting that Charlie Kelman is like Paolo di Canio. Far from it. Very very far from it. But it is a team game - and if the team can perform well, even if Kelman isn't scoring loads and loads (I mean I will be concerned if he doesn't score at all tbf), that's what matters to me. I haven't been concerned about us as a football side - only when that becomes an issue will we need to look a bit closer imho.

Here's something else to consider. This is Luton's record in two consecutive seasons in the Championship:

2021-22    F-63    A-55    GD-8     Pts-75    Pos-6th (Lost in Play offs)   
2022-23    F-57    A-39    GD-18   Pts-80    Pos-3rd (Promoted)

NJ left in November 2022 so he wasn't there when they went up but there is no doubt that it was his team. If we were to pro-rata our stats this season, after 12 games, to 46 matches, this is what we would achieve:

2025-26    F-54    A-38    GD-16    Pts-73   Pos-6th

So, we are on target to score 9 less goals than Luton in 2021-22 but to concede 17 less goals with 2 less points and the same position. The interesting aspect is that Luton, after 12 games had scored 20 and conceded 16 but were 2 points worse off that season than we are currently. 

Who scores the goals is an irrelevancy. It is the goals against column that will get us points because we have goals from everywhere - we've had 9 different scorers - and that is a lot harder to defend than against a side that is wholly reliant on one or two players.    

paulsturgess said:

Crispywood said:

paulsturgess said:

fenaddick said:

CAFC_boi said:

drawnablank said:

Kelman = 619 mins, 6 shots, 4 on target, 0 goals & 0 assists
Olaofe = 209 mins, 5 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal & 1 assist
Leaburn = 524 mins, 15 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal & 0 assists
Campbell = 878 mins, 23 shots, 3 on target, 0 goals & 2 assist
(Championship stats)
Make of that what you will

quite sobering really when TC has just over 15% shot accuracy … 

Not saying it’s good enough but this is a context thing again. Campbell shoots from out wide and is aiming for a slim piece of the goal, a lot of his shots go just past the post (I can think of 3/4 in the last 2 games) whereas the others are shooting more centrally with a larger target to aim for 

Mmm. Think that’s selective. He missed two chances yesterday that were as good a chance as any our strikers have had all season, think he also missed a pretty much open goal header earlier in the season. TC brings so much but his finishing, crossing and passing are woeful 

Actually think his crossing and passing has gone up a level this season he could have easily had more assists eg Jones headers at Blackburn and Watford. His finishing/decision making is absolute dire but then again you could argue if he could do that he wouldn’t be here 

Still very erratic at best, a couple of awful crosses and passes straight to their men yesterday, would be interested to see his stats around pass completion / ball retention  

 TC’s passing stats are actually really impressive didn’t realise they were that good 

RonnieMoore said:

Well one thing yesterday proved was that we need Kelman in the team .. Hull defence had a quite day no one chasing them , putting pressure on them they had time to conduct attacks ..Leaburn not the same player when he starts and the defenders are fresh ..to much fuss about how many goals he scored does it matter .. you people be happy if we were relegated but Kelman scored 15 goals or if we were promoted and he only scored 3/4 but assisted in a lot more .. look how many diff scorers we have had already ..

Only thing I Learnt from our forward line on Saturday is that Leaburn TC and Tanto look better off the bench and Kelman looks the same whether he starts or comes off the bench

CafcSteve said:

RonnieMoore said:

Well one thing yesterday proved was that we need Kelman in the team .. Hull defence had a quite day no one chasing them , putting pressure on them they had time to conduct attacks ..Leaburn not the same player when he starts and the defenders are fresh ..to much fuss about how many goals he scored does it matter .. you people be happy if we were relegated but Kelman scored 15 goals or if we were promoted and he only scored 3/4 but assisted in a lot more .. look how many diff scorers we have had already ..

They barely conducting any attacks?

Their goal was from a defensive error.

Why would any Charlton fan be happy if we were to get relegated?

He hasn’t got an assist yet has he?

Well okay,  no assists yet, but he did a really hard shot a few games ago.