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Sheffield Wednesday - Into Administration (p44)
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To be honest any player that wanted to walk away had the opportunity to do so in the summer. The ones that are left know the situation, they know they might get paid late, and they're still there. So Chansiri probably thinks it doesn't matter much as they're not going anywhere anyway.Bedsaddick said:Still haven’t been paid Septembers wages apparently.
For staff (some of whom may live paycheck to paycheck) it's obviously a lot more difficult and stressful.4 -
Are you speaking as a Norwich fan?se9addick said:
Ugh, on the one hand it means they are likely to go down so one less relegation spot for us to worry about (and avoiding relegation is still my biggest aim for the season). On the other hand 15 points is a really brutal penalty, and the people that suffer won’t really be the one man that’s behind all these issues. On the third hand it’s Wednesday, so fuck ‘em.CaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction9 -
As someone who has been in a union for much of my working life, starting out in the AEU in 1981before it morphed into the union it is today. It gives me a bit of the hump when people only see the benefits when faced with problems they can't fight on their own or have no idea what their rights are.jose said:According to this article workers at Sheffield Wednesday have joined the Trade Union Unison in an effort to help them with conditions and especially their pay. The article is from the 7th October 2025.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-union-action-payment-5348577#
It is at times like this when people begin to consider the value of Trade Union membership.
Here is a link from the Trade Union Unison that outlines some of the historic benefits that have come from Trade Unions, not from bosses like Chansiri.
https://hulluni.unison.site/2024/04/12/what-have-the-trade-unions-ever-done-for-us/
I have spoken to many people over the years, including my own wife, who mistaken believe they are able to speak for themselves or can negotiate with employers on a level ground, they can't. I worked in a place where a guy removed his thumb in a press. Open and shut case most thought. The company got taken to court by the HSE and fined the maximum about £24K and the the 9 fingered man fought for compensation. He had a friend who was a solicitor and thought, quite rightly everything would be a formality, it wasn't. The company agreed to meet him in court. He nor his mate had the means or the wherewithal to take on a multi-national. He got nothing.
I pay 15/month, my pay deals are negotiated for me, free legal representation, free financial advice and pension advice. As well as all the working conditions my union and others have won over the years. 20 odd years ago I paid off half my mortgage from the redundancy my union fought for.
I feel for the ordinary workers at Sheff Wed and wish for a good outcome but really they should have seen this coming months back.24 -
My partner is a regional organiser for a teaching union, I hear some horror stories about people trying to represent themselves, surprisingly quite a few go to her union for advice then take separate advice from a solicitor, which then means her union wont represent them any further.2
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Thats exactly what the guy in my story did. Basically he believed he could have got a better deal for himself and his friend would also benefit.DA9 said:My partner is a regional organiser for a teaching union, I hear some horror stories about people trying to represent themselves, surprisingly quite a few go to her union for advice then take separate advice from a solicitor, which then means her union wont represent them any further.
Derailing this thread a bit here and getting a shade political so I'll leave it there apart from saying, I remember 1999 and their supporters so not wanting anyone to lose their livelihoods just suffer a bit this season and for the next few in leagues below us.1 -
An absolute peach of a post (or is it a plum?)jose said:According to this article workers at Sheffield Wednesday have joined the Trade Union Unison in an effort to help them with conditions and especially their pay. The article is from the 7th October 2025.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-union-action-payment-5348577#
It is at times like this when people begin to consider the value of Trade Union membership.
Here is a link from the Trade Union Unison that outlines some of the historic benefits that have come from Trade Unions, not from bosses like Chansiri.
https://hulluni.unison.site/2024/04/12/what-have-the-trade-unions-ever-done-for-us/3 -
I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.17
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Sheffield Wednesday: Championship club set to be served winding-up petition - BBC Sport
Sheffield Wednesday will "imminently" be served with a winding-up petition over money owed to HMRC, reports BBC Radio Sheffield.
After an investigation alongside the Sheffield Star it is understood the Championship club owes £1m.
A winding-up petition would increase the pressure on the club's owner Dejphon Chansiri to sell.
They are already under six separate EFL embargoes after failing to pay wages on time in five of the past seven months.
Wednesday are second bottom of the Championship with six points from nine games after a torrid period off the field has left them with a threadbare squad.
The severity of the situation became apparent when May's wages were not paid on time, in the wake of the same thing happening in March.
With uncertainty ongoing and the club placed under various registration embargoes, highly-rated manager Danny Rohl departed in July and his assistant Henrik Pedersen took charge 10 days before the season started.
The team did not play a single pre-season friendly in front of fans and players pulled out of a training match against Burnley after July's wages were not paid.
Fans have organised protests before and during games so far this season and they boycotted the home EFL Cup ties with Leeds and Grimsby, while the supporters' trust also encouraged fans not to buy drinks or snacks in the stadium.
Thai businessman Chansiri, who has owned the club for the past 10 years, has been absent for the entire period and, as yet, no sale has been close.
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Trying to force administration. That will lead to a points deduction but would mean chansirie will have to lower the price of the club. He could pay the tax bill just so he can continue to ask for a higher price for the sale of the club.0
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Is this the final step before administration? I just can't see Chansiri suddenly paying up a million quid to HMRC.1
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He might do and just add it to the absurd asking pricestoneroses19 said:Is this the final step before administration? I just can't see Chansiri suddenly paying up a million quid to HMRC.2 -
I fear he will, or at least try to drag out the court process as long as possible, as he knows going in Admin will not only lowing the value of the club but mean that he loses a great deal of control.stoneroses19 said:Is this the final step before administration? I just can't see Chansiri suddenly paying up a million quid to HMRC.
It might also unearth a lot of other debts and/or dodgy deals that he won't want in the public domain.
Southend seemed to have winding up orders deferred every three months for what seemed like years under their previous owner.4 -
They are already conditioned to have to wait, which is the whole point of this thread.ShootersHillGuru said:I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.0 -
What ?CaptainRobbo said:
They are already conditioned to have to wait, which is the whole point of this thread.ShootersHillGuru said:I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.0 -
They have already been waiting months to get paidShootersHillGuru said:
What ?CaptainRobbo said:
They are already conditioned to have to wait, which is the whole point of this thread.ShootersHillGuru said:I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.0 -
You are completely missing my point. If you are an existing paid up member of a Trade Union and you encounter problems at work then you will benefit from the expertise and resources of your TU. should you do it the other way around and encounter problems and then approach a TU to help you out then it’s unreasonable to expect all that assistance off the back of a months subscription. You are in my experience usually expected to wait a few months to get help. I don’t know why but I think you know that.CaptainRobbo said:
They have already been waiting months to get paidShootersHillGuru said:
What ?CaptainRobbo said:
They are already conditioned to have to wait, which is the whole point of this thread.ShootersHillGuru said:I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.5 -
ShootersHillGuru said:You are completely missing my point. If you are an existing paid up member of a Trade Union and you encounter problems at work then you will benefit from the expertise and resources of your TU. should you do it the other way around and encounter problems and then approach a TU to help you out then it’s unreasonable to expect all that assistance off the back of a months subscription. You are in my experience usually expected to wait a few months to get help. I don’t know why but I think you know that.
As I have occasionally explained to people, you wouldn't get very far if you tried to insure your house only after it had gone on fire...9 -
If they go into administration isn't that the end of him? The administrator takes over and their job is to get the best deal possible for creditors, does Chansiri have a say in that price?Karim_myBagheri said:Trying to force administration. That will lead to a points deduction but would mean chansirie will have to lower the price of the club. He could pay the tax bill just so he can continue to ask for a higher price for the sale of the club.
What i don't get is why he'd reject all offers he's had so far, pay off the bills he paid in the summer, and then throw it all away for a 1m tax bill. Why would he let that happen and get pennies in the pound via admin instead of taking a multi million takeover offer?
Either way i highly doubt a club of their size is going to be wound up. Someone like Mike Ashley will be waiting in the wings to take them over for a quid.
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As you completely missed my point in saying that they are a!ready used to waiting for something.ShootersHillGuru said:
You are completely missing my point. If you are an existing paid up member of a Trade Union and you encounter problems at work then you will benefit from the expertise and resources of your TU. should you do it the other way around and encounter problems and then approach a TU to help you out then it’s unreasonable to expect all that assistance off the back of a months subscription. You are in my experience usually expected to wait a few months to get help. I don’t know why but I think you know that.CaptainRobbo said:
They have already been waiting months to get paidShootersHillGuru said:
What ?CaptainRobbo said:
They are already conditioned to have to wait, which is the whole point of this thread.ShootersHillGuru said:I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.
I have only been a member of a trade union once and in that case they were pretty useless.
Only seemed interested in collection of their payments from their members and sucking up to the employer, which was a massive American company that treated its employees like crap.
Personally saw 2 or 3 guys unfairly dismissed and the union stood by and did nothing about it.
Am glad you have had wonderful rose tinted experience of trade unions, but surely you are intelligent enough to realise everyone will not have had the same experiences.
I will leave it there.
UP THE WORKERS.0 -
If you have to explain to people how insurance works, you are probably wasting your time even talking to them.CatfordCat said:ShootersHillGuru said:You are completely missing my point. If you are an existing paid up member of a Trade Union and you encounter problems at work then you will benefit from the expertise and resources of your TU. should you do it the other way around and encounter problems and then approach a TU to help you out then it’s unreasonable to expect all that assistance off the back of a months subscription. You are in my experience usually expected to wait a few months to get help. I don’t know why but I think you know that.
As I have occasionally explained to people, you wouldn't get very far if you tried to insure your house only after it had gone on fire...0 -
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My “rose tinted” view and experience comes from 25 years as a rep and 7 years as chair of the South East Region of my Union. Unfairly dismissed you say ? Did those employees take their claim for unfair dismissal through the legislative process as laid out in The Employment Rights Act 1996 ? as is their right ? If not I’ll assume that their claim was not considered strong enough by the advice, no doubt offered by their TU.CaptainRobbo said:
As you completely missed my point in saying that they are a!ready used to waiting for something.ShootersHillGuru said:
You are completely missing my point. If you are an existing paid up member of a Trade Union and you encounter problems at work then you will benefit from the expertise and resources of your TU. should you do it the other way around and encounter problems and then approach a TU to help you out then it’s unreasonable to expect all that assistance off the back of a months subscription. You are in my experience usually expected to wait a few months to get help. I don’t know why but I think you know that.CaptainRobbo said:
They have already been waiting months to get paidShootersHillGuru said:
What ?CaptainRobbo said:
They are already conditioned to have to wait, which is the whole point of this thread.ShootersHillGuru said:I was a union rep for donkeys years and lost count the number of times non members approached me “ for just a little bit of advice” because their working life had hit a bump. The Trade Union provided me with knowledge on all things work related through on going education payed for out of members subs and I’d say that in my hundreds of dealings with management and HR I was more knowledgeable than any of them. Although I have huge sympathy for any employee who is experiencing difficulties with their employer I have to say I don’t have much time for those who ride free off the back of their colleagues who do pay their monthly union subscriptions and pay for all the knowledge, support and assistance that goes with it. I’m sure Unison will be happy to assist with their new members but I hope they’re made to wait for a few months to see the benefits of their new membership. Lots of people don’t have time for or are too tight to pay their dues but in my experience they all come running when things go tits up for them.
I have only been a member of a trade union once and in that case they were pretty useless.
Only seemed interested in collection of their payments from their members and sucking up to the employer, which was a massive American company that treated its employees like crap.
Personally saw 2 or 3 guys unfairly dismissed and the union stood by and did nothing about it.
Am glad you have had wonderful rose tinted experience of trade unions, but surely you are intelligent enough to realise everyone will not have had the same experiences.
I will leave it there.
UP THE WORKERS.4 -
Oh they'll have the likes of Textor and Ashley around if they can do a cheap deal in admin.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If they go into administration isn't that the end of him? The administrator takes over and their job is to get the best deal possible for creditors, does Chansiri have a say in that price?Karim_myBagheri said:Trying to force administration. That will lead to a points deduction but would mean chansirie will have to lower the price of the club. He could pay the tax bill just so he can continue to ask for a higher price for the sale of the club.
What i don't get is why he'd reject all offers he's had so far, pay off the bills he paid in the summer, and then throw it all away for a 1m tax bill. Why would he let that happen and get pennies in the pound via admin instead of taking a multi million takeover offer?
Either way i highly doubt a club of their size is going to be wound up. Someone like Mike Ashley will be waiting in the wings to take them over for a quid.0 -
Hopefully they end up with Laurence Bassini.MarcusH26 said:
Oh they'll have the likes of Textor and Ashley around if they can do a cheap deal in admin.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If they go into administration isn't that the end of him? The administrator takes over and their job is to get the best deal possible for creditors, does Chansiri have a say in that price?Karim_myBagheri said:Trying to force administration. That will lead to a points deduction but would mean chansirie will have to lower the price of the club. He could pay the tax bill just so he can continue to ask for a higher price for the sale of the club.
What i don't get is why he'd reject all offers he's had so far, pay off the bills he paid in the summer, and then throw it all away for a 1m tax bill. Why would he let that happen and get pennies in the pound via admin instead of taking a multi million takeover offer?
Either way i highly doubt a club of their size is going to be wound up. Someone like Mike Ashley will be waiting in the wings to take them over for a quid.3 -
Didn’t Textor look at them a couple of months ago?
They go into administration and he’ll be back for sure.0 -
There’ll be a few people getting on their super duper phones and amassing the pringles and sprite for a crazy 48 hours.3
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He did yes but Chansiri was reportedly asking for too much money, and let's be honest why would anyone pay his over-inflated asking price for a team heading for league one anyway, if you can just wait it out and get a cheaper deal in administration.CafcSCP said:Didn’t Textor look at them a couple of months ago?
They go into administration and he’ll be back for sure.
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Few posts going around that they could go into Administration today.0
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It is bizarre. As i said above i don't get why he'd reject all offers so far and then put them into admin over a 1m tax bill and end up getting a lot less for the club.fenaddick said:
Just don't believe Chansiri would do itMarcusH26 said:Few posts going around that they could go into Administration today.
I can only assume he thought he could get by, but he's now realised he can't and we're only 3 months into an 8 month season, so he has no choice now as everyone who had an offer rejected has walked away and he's out of money.2 -
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