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  • When I saw the Plough and Harrow  Welling:
    I expected them to announce Macauley Bonne's signing.
  • HastingsRed
    HastingsRed Posts: 1,607
    PopIcon said:
    The Rising Sun in Eltham has closed for two weeks as it's refurbished as a sports bar. 

    Also in Eltham; the Bankers Draft has finally closed. It kicked off last week, turns out Gary is a massive creep.
    Used to love The Rising Sun. Saturday lunchtime 30+ years ago proper old fashioned pub 
    Also the Man Of Kent opposite. And the Greyhound further down the high street. 

    Does anybody remember the Man of Kent outside Lewisham station before the DLR was built?
    Went in there a few times (Mrs H lived in Lewisham when I first met her in 87).....can't recall when it closed/got demolished?
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,237
    edited October 12
    The same pub co that have made a success of the Star in Plumstead and the Abbey Arms have now taken on the above mentioned Plough. Think it reopened only this weekend. They have also taken on the Standard in Nuxley Village. Not been in yet so don’t know what that is like. But fair play to them for keeping open the pubs. Owned by a localish family I believe. 

    I love what they’ve done to Star. In fact I’ll think I’ll pop round for one! 



  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,654
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 
  • cafc-4-life
    cafc-4-life Posts: 1,308
    Curb_It said:
    The same pub co that have made a success of the Star in Plumstead and the Abbey Arms have now taken on the above mentioned Plough. Think it reopened only this weekend. They have also taken on the Standard in Nuxley Village. Not been in yet so don’t know what that is like. But fair play to them for keeping open the pubs. Owned by a localish family I believe. 

    I love what they’ve done to Star. In fact I’ll think I’ll pop round for one! 



    Correct, re-opened this weekend and has been completely changed inside and out. It will be a lot nicer than ever with it being properly run compared to the previous landlords and also will change the type of clientele and hopefully become a great local next to the rail station.
  • cafc-4-life
    cafc-4-life Posts: 1,308
    clive said:

    Plough and Harrow pub Welling:

    The former landlord of a Welling pub has been jailed after he used a camera above the urinals to spy on men’s penises.
    https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/25531596.plough-harrow-pub-welling-ex-landlord-ron-hall-jailed/

    He was obviously a bit of a dick then.
    A bit is a very light way of saying it. Lets just say if they allowed witnesses and if people knew about this court case there would have been a lot more that would have came out and regarding his comments on why it was installed, his behaviour and so much more. Just glad the pub has got a new lease of life under someone who will change it for the better and not been turned into flats.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,913
    edited October 12
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,654
    edited October 13
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
  • InspectorSands
    InspectorSands Posts: 5,192
    clive said:
    This isn't news, it's been partially fitted-out for some time. 

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  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,913
    edited October 13
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,738
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    The fountain arms is opposite the entrance to the hospital.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,913
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    The fountain arms is opposite the entrance to the hospital.
    I tend to avoid Greene King pubs if I can. I don't like the beer for starters, but I find they can be very hit and miss in terms of the standards and clientele.  
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,654
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    The fountain arms is opposite the entrance to the hospital.
    Do you mean The Fountains Abbey? Greene King pub? Can’t find a Fountain Arms 🤔
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,738
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    The fountain arms is opposite the entrance to the hospital.
    Do you mean The Fountains Abbey? Greene King pub? Can’t find a Fountain Arms 🤔
    Yeah, popped in there on the way home from a Reading game.
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,654
    LOff_it said:
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
    lol I used to frequent a pub on Vauxhall Bridge Road under some flats that looks very similar. It was great. Just had a look on Google and it’s called the Victoria Circle and only sells coffee and cakes! I can’t even remember the name of it now! I hate change! 😫🫣🤣🤣
    Really appreciate the tips. Got loads to choose from now 👍🏼
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,066
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    The fountain arms is opposite the entrance to the hospital.
    Do you mean The Fountains Abbey? Greene King pub? Can’t find a Fountain Arms 🤔
    Yeah, popped in there on the way home from a Reading game.
    Pretty much confirm’s what @Off_it said about dodgy clientele!!  😉

    And yes…I was there too!! 😉
  • addickson
    addickson Posts: 892
    edited October 13
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I've been there (Monkey Puzzle) a couple of times and it's a nice roomy pub, in a good spot too and the beer was always good
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,913
    LOff_it said:
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
    lol I used to frequent a pub on Vauxhall Bridge Road under some flats that looks very similar. It was great. Just had a look on Google and it’s called the Victoria Circle and only sells coffee and cakes! I can’t even remember the name of it now! I hate change! 😫🫣🤣🤣
    Really appreciate the tips. Got loads to choose from now 👍🏼
    The Lord High Admiral?
  • Big William
    Big William Posts: 3,848
    The Victoria has a wood panelled dining room upstairs for bookings, not huge but very nice. You can get lucky just turning up, but it does get very busy downstairs. Seem to remember The Swan is a bit bigger, I went past it last week (on the way to The Vic) and they had a covered area outside at the front as well, lot of people tucking in.

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  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis Posts: 8,654
    Off_it said:
    LOff_it said:
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
    lol I used to frequent a pub on Vauxhall Bridge Road under some flats that looks very similar. It was great. Just had a look on Google and it’s called the Victoria Circle and only sells coffee and cakes! I can’t even remember the name of it now! I hate change! 😫🫣🤣🤣
    Really appreciate the tips. Got loads to choose from now 👍🏼
    The Lord High Admiral?
    Yes! Thank you! I spent far too many lunch times in there & the Mucky Duck (White Swan) late 80’s early 90’s.
    I love you @Off_it but then you know that already 🤗
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,913
    Off_it said:
    LOff_it said:
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
    lol I used to frequent a pub on Vauxhall Bridge Road under some flats that looks very similar. It was great. Just had a look on Google and it’s called the Victoria Circle and only sells coffee and cakes! I can’t even remember the name of it now! I hate change! 😫🫣🤣🤣
    Really appreciate the tips. Got loads to choose from now 👍🏼
    The Lord High Admiral?
    Yes! Thank you! I spent far too many lunch times in there & the Mucky Duck (White Swan) late 80’s early 90’s.
    I love you @Off_it but then you know that already 🤗
    Someone has to ......! ;-)
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,684
    Off_it said:
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
    Is the harcourt still open?
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,913
    edited October 13
    Off_it said:
    Off_it said:
    Used to love The Standard when I worked at Belvedere nick.

    Anyone know of decent pubs/restaurants in and around Paddington Station?
    When I'm over in November my bestie is jumping on the rattler from Cardiff to spend the day with me. I'd like to say we'll go shopping/sightseeing but realistically we'll find a pub & stay there jibber jabbering so might as well make it a good un 😉 😜 

    Loads of crap pubs in that area - the sort that makes you wonder how they survive when others closed down.

    But the Swan (https://www.swanhydepark.co.uk) and the Victoria (https://www.victoriapaddington.co.uk) are both good pubs within a 10 min walk of Paddington station. Both Fullers pubs too, so decent food too.

    Brilliant @Off_it thank you
    I’d already earmarked the Victoria but I see it gets busy so wanted a few alternatives. I see the Monkey Puzzle gets good reviews too, have you been in there?
    I know where it is, but am pretty certain I've never been in there (I know, amazing!). I'm always a bit wary of pubs under blocks of flats, which probably says more about my upbringing in Loosham!, although round that neck of the woods it's probably fine.

    And yes, the Victoria can get pretty busy, mainly due to the layout in there and it not being the biggest, so getting a table on a walk-in might be difficult.

    There's also the Mitre  (https://www.themitrehydepark.com/), which is near the Swan and is a proper good looking corner pub tucked away off the beaten track a bit, and it's Youngs too, so pretty female friendly and decent food, etc. Enjoy!
    Is the harcourt still open?
    The pub shut. There was talk of it being converted into housing, then it got bought and a lot of dough got spent on it turning it into some sort of wine bar/restaurant. But I don't think it did too well cos the last time I heard it had shut again.

    What a shame. Was a great pub. The Windsor Castle round the corner has gone as well.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,990
    Drove up to West Kingsdown this morning and noticed the Game Cock has closed and been put up for sale. That leaves the Portabello which has attempted to to ‘posh up’ by being painted a sort of teal colour. It’s also binned the shellfish stall in the car park and upgraded to kebab.
  • And The Chequers in Farningham gone
  • InspectorSands
    InspectorSands Posts: 5,192
    Probably old news to many, but the Long Dog micropub in Dartford looked very closed when I walked past just now (post piled up, remains of bailiff notice on door).

    Popped in the Dartford working men’s club the other day brandishing my Camra card - glad I did, the ales are cracking and all about £4. 
  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,907
    Drove up to West Kingsdown this morning and noticed the Game Cock has closed and been put up for sale. That leaves the Portabello which has attempted to to ‘posh up’ by being painted a sort of teal colour. It’s also binned the shellfish stall in the car park and upgraded to kebab.
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/167064824#/?channel=COM_BUY
  • pauleec
    pauleec Posts: 10
    Afternoon all. Coming up on 11 years a member and about to make my 3rd post, so hoping this won't count as spam. I'm part of the group trying to get The White Swan in Charlton Village out of its current state and into community ownership. A pipe dream possibly, but we're giving it a go. You can read more here if you are curious: https://www.whiteswanmusicandarts.org/.

    As part of our pre-crowdfunding efforts, we're shooting a promotional video, and we're looking to get a crowd outside the Swan at midday this Saturday, for - I think - what will be the final shoot of the video. Be great to see some lifers there!


  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,990
    And The Chequers in Farningham gone
    Yes that’s a massive loss. May have to be sold as a pub if they don’t get planning permission but one of the best pubs round here.