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Thierry Small - signed a 4 year deal with Preston (p36)

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  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,204
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    I think Small does have the higher ceiling compared to Apter. But, I'm very happy with Apter and Bree (if we can extend to full season loan or permanent) as the Small replacement. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,155
    stoneroses19 said:
    Small currently in the top 4 for most crosses and progressive carries in Championship. 

    Interesting to see the kind of attacking numbers you need to be in the top 9. 


    My main take away from that is almost every non-league hope we've signed over the years has been a disappointment, but the one we refused to push the boat out for a little bit was Sorba Thomas, and he's gone on to have a really excellent Football League career. Typical.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,359
    Garrymanilow said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Small currently in the top 4 for most crosses and progressive carries in Championship. 

    Interesting to see the kind of attacking numbers you need to be in the top 9. 


    My main take away from that is almost every non-league hope we've signed over the years has been a disappointment, but the one we refused to push the boat out for a little bit was Sorba Thomas, and he's gone on to have a really excellent Football League career. Typical.
    What makes it worse is wasn’t that the same summer we signed Kirk?
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,204
    Scoham said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Small currently in the top 4 for most crosses and progressive carries in Championship. 

    Interesting to see the kind of attacking numbers you need to be in the top 9. 


    My main take away from that is almost every non-league hope we've signed over the years has been a disappointment, but the one we refused to push the boat out for a little bit was Sorba Thomas, and he's gone on to have a really excellent Football League career. Typical.
    What makes it worse is wasn’t that the same summer we signed Kirk?
    Almost. Thomas went to Huddersfield in  January, we then signed Kirk that summer. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,945
    edited 8:23AM
    stoneroses19 said:
    Small currently in the top 4 for most crosses and progressive carries in Championship. 

    Interesting to see the kind of attacking numbers you need to be in the top 9. 


    He puts in the crosses but his Shot Creation (SCA) stats are then a decent amount lower than the rest of the top 6 (all I can see on Fbref for some reason) which is what a lot of the criticism is about, it's not that he doesn't cross but that the crosses are poor. For some reason I can't attach a screenshot so I'll put it in the next comment
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,945


    His stats are significantly lower than most of the others in that list
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,204
    fenaddick said:


    His stats are significantly lower than most of the others in that list
    That's a helpful comparison table to the original. Just shows how skewed some stats can be, they can look more impressive on first look. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,945
    stoneroses19 said:
    fenaddick said:


    His stats are significantly lower than most of the others in that list
    That's a helpful comparison table to the original. Just shows how skewed some stats can be, they can look more impressive on first look. 
    It's an example of why the eye test is so useful. Those stats looks impressive if you've never seen him play, if you have you can take a decent guess that the crosses are less succesful than his peers. Then you know what stats you're looking for to either confirm/disprove your hunch
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,976
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    I could be wrong but i've always felt that Small had made his mind up and agreed to go to Preston long before our promotion was confirmed. 

    So i don't think it's really a case of us not trying hard enough, more that by the time our promotion even made it a discussion, he was already committed to them.
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 616
    stoneroses19 said:
    Small currently in the top 4 for most crosses and progressive carries in Championship. 

    Interesting to see the kind of attacking numbers you need to be in the top 9. 


    Probably ranks number one in the championship for most crosses sent in to Row Z as well. 
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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    I could be wrong but i've always felt that Small had made his mind up and agreed to go to Preston long before our promotion was confirmed. 

    So i don't think it's really a case of us not trying hard enough, more that by the time our promotion even made it a discussion, he was already committed to them.
    I don't know if he'd already had contact with/decided on Preston specifically at that point but I do agree he was already thinking of moving on. 

    I'll be very surprised if he signs another contract with Preston when it comes to it and probably will do the same to them.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,325
    SporadicAddick said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    AndyG said:
    It was embarrassing yesterday the way our fans were giving him stick I don’t mean the usual banter which in the main was funny but there were a few shouting stuff like I hope you get cancer ! Absolutely no excuse for that kind of behaviour towards a player that helped us get promoted and left us for more money 

    I was going to say that at best a few of our fans are coming across as total thickos, but if that’s the case, then that’s disgusting.

    Football fans in the worst possible light. Scumbags.
    As someone that was standing very close to the middle at the back, I can safely say that I heard no such thing, and would have called it out if I had. 

    I’m not suggesting it didn’t happen.
    I was near the middle and didn't hear that either, to be honest I have never heard anything that horrific from a Charlton fan. 

    Also not saying it didn't happen but that would surprise me to hear that. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,945
    Braziliance said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    AndyG said:
    It was embarrassing yesterday the way our fans were giving him stick I don’t mean the usual banter which in the main was funny but there were a few shouting stuff like I hope you get cancer ! Absolutely no excuse for that kind of behaviour towards a player that helped us get promoted and left us for more money 

    I was going to say that at best a few of our fans are coming across as total thickos, but if that’s the case, then that’s disgusting.

    Football fans in the worst possible light. Scumbags.
    As someone that was standing very close to the middle at the back, I can safely say that I heard no such thing, and would have called it out if I had. 

    I’m not suggesting it didn’t happen.
    I was near the middle and didn't hear that either, to be honest I have never heard anything that horrific from a Charlton fan. 

    Also not saying it didn't happen but that would surprise me to hear that. 
    Sadly I have, recently-ish too. I remember someone trying (and failing miserably) to get a chant about Neil Harris's health problems at the away game last season, thankfully everyone ignored him/gave him a dirty look and he piped down and moved away
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,325
    edited 12:14PM
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    He is class and would still be starting for us, instrumental in our results towards the end as a lot of sides couldn't cope with him.

    If his finishing was better he would be in the Premier league as has all the other attributes.

    Kayne stayed close to him the whole first half and held on cause he knew if he got past him he was never catching him. Pace we never really replaced tbh.
  • I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY Posts: 4,608
    Such a shame he didnt stay/we didnt offer him terms. So much potential, coming off the right last season he was electric at times and a joy to watch.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,333
    edited 1:42PM
    It seems like he wanted to go. I'm not sure it's worth offering a player a ton of money when they want to go somewhere else, just to get them to stay for the paycheque. Charlie Kirk didn't want to sign for us, but didn't feel he could turn the down money (source: Cawley). 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,359
    Braziliance said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    He is class and would still be starting for us, instrumental in our results towards the end as a lot of sides couldn't cope with him.

    If his finishing was better he would be in the Premier league as has all the other attributes.

    Kayne stayed close to him the whole first half and held on cause he knew if he got past him he was never catching him. Pace we never really replaced tbh.
    Despite what Small brings I think NJ would still pick Bree over him. He loves a consistent player.

    I’m not sure Bree with Edwards/Bell on the other side is what we need though, it puts a lot of pressure on TC to offer that pace and width.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,325
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    DamoNorthStand said:
    AndyG said:
    It was embarrassing yesterday the way our fans were giving him stick I don’t mean the usual banter which in the main was funny but there were a few shouting stuff like I hope you get cancer ! Absolutely no excuse for that kind of behaviour towards a player that helped us get promoted and left us for more money 

    I was going to say that at best a few of our fans are coming across as total thickos, but if that’s the case, then that’s disgusting.

    Football fans in the worst possible light. Scumbags.
    As someone that was standing very close to the middle at the back, I can safely say that I heard no such thing, and would have called it out if I had. 

    I’m not suggesting it didn’t happen.
    I was near the middle and didn't hear that either, to be honest I have never heard anything that horrific from a Charlton fan. 

    Also not saying it didn't happen but that would surprise me to hear that. 
    Sadly I have, recently-ish too. I remember someone trying (and failing miserably) to get a chant about Neil Harris's health problems at the away game last season, thankfully everyone ignored him/gave him a dirty look and he piped down and moved away
    Ah, that's a bloody shame.

    I don't mind the "let him die" chants etc when players go down as that isn't serious. Joking about cancer is too far.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,167
    Garrymanilow said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Small currently in the top 4 for most crosses and progressive carries in Championship. 

    Interesting to see the kind of attacking numbers you need to be in the top 9. 


    My main take away from that is almost every non-league hope we've signed over the years has been a disappointment, but the one we refused to push the boat out for a little bit was Sorba Thomas, and he's gone on to have a really excellent Football League career. Typical.
    The fact he didn't come to us at that time when, let's face it, rotting from the inside, might well be a factor in why he kicked on in his career rather than faded into obscurity.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,167
    Scoham said:
    Braziliance said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    He is class and would still be starting for us, instrumental in our results towards the end as a lot of sides couldn't cope with him.

    If his finishing was better he would be in the Premier league as has all the other attributes.

    Kayne stayed close to him the whole first half and held on cause he knew if he got past him he was never catching him. Pace we never really replaced tbh.
    Despite what Small brings I think NJ would still pick Bree over him. He loves a consistent player.

    I’m not sure Bree with Edwards/Bell on the other side is what we need though, it puts a lot of pressure on TC to offer that pace and width.
    I agree, I think the key to the success of our system is that it's a lopsided 5-3-2 that's a hybrid between a 5-3-2 and 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.

    Bree has been excellent in his own way and has shown he can provide quality from that right side, but he isn't as dynamic with the ball at his feet as Apter (or as Small would've been). I think that was something we missed a bit on Saturday as Campbell was a bit off it (probably not helped by not having a natural left back to overlap and support him). I still haven't really worked out why NJ left Apter on the bench on Saturday.

    Personally, before we start changing the front line around (which I genuinely believe is on the brink of bearing fruit), the change I would be considering for Sheff Weds would be to bring Apter back into the starting XI on the right. Assuming Bell is fit, I think it's then a choice if you drop Bree to the bench or Ramsay comes out and Bree goes right centre back so he's still on the pitch to take free kicks and corners.
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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,275
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Scoham said:
    Braziliance said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    Absolutely no surprise to me. A quality player who imo we should have tried a lot lot harder to keep hold of. 

    Still, I'm sure someone will be along to remind me of a couple of crosses into the crowd at the weekend and that current substitute Apter has a higher "ceiling ".
    He is class and would still be starting for us, instrumental in our results towards the end as a lot of sides couldn't cope with him.

    If his finishing was better he would be in the Premier league as has all the other attributes.

    Kayne stayed close to him the whole first half and held on cause he knew if he got past him he was never catching him. Pace we never really replaced tbh.
    Despite what Small brings I think NJ would still pick Bree over him. He loves a consistent player.

    I’m not sure Bree with Edwards/Bell on the other side is what we need though, it puts a lot of pressure on TC to offer that pace and width.
    I agree, I think the key to the success of our system is that it's a lopsided 5-3-2 that's a hybrid between a 5-3-2 and 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.

    Bree has been excellent in his own way and has shown he can provide quality from that right side, but he isn't as dynamic with the ball at his feet as Apter (or as Small would've been). I think that was something we missed a bit on Saturday as Campbell was a bit off it (probably not helped by not having a natural left back to overlap and support him). I still haven't really worked out why NJ left Apter on the bench on Saturday.

    Personally, before we start changing the front line around (which I genuinely believe is on the brink of bearing fruit), the change I would be considering for Sheff Weds would be to bring Apter back into the starting XI on the right. Assuming Bell is fit, I think it's then a choice if you drop Bree to the bench or Ramsay comes out and Bree goes right centre back so he's still on the pitch to take free kicks and corners.
    I think Bree and Apter on the same side would work very well against a weaker side like Sheff Weds. Apter will attract 2 defenders meaning a supporting Bree will be spare for a simple pass back for him to cross unopposed. Start Leaburn so that we’ve got a target to aim for, if he can’t score with TC, Apter and Bree supplying him from wide areas then we might as well give up on strikers scoring this season 

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