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  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,812
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
    I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
    I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it. 
    Hopefully Everton take advantage…
    The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
    Is that right? I didn’t know that.
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    sam3110 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Surely Amorim has to go soon? 
    Who would they get in his place? Glasner? Someone like Xavi or Zidane? A random ex player? 
    Zidane? Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole
    Zidane won't take a club job now because it's expected he will take over from Deschamps when he steps down as France manager after the World Cup.
    Not including charlton...ZZ is my 2nd fav player after R9.
    I'd love to see him in the Premier League as manager 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,975
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    BigRedEvil said:
    I'm surprised they've kept Amorim, I get giving him time but he's not improved anything and doesn't look like doing so either 

    I don't follow the PL much but every time I see him his body language and vibe is so very very negative. It's like he has given up and is waiting for the inevitable. Should have moved him on in the summer.  Glasner would do a good job there and would go.
    The irony is that Glasner plays the same 343 formation as Amorim. 
    And they haven't got the players for it.

    Not sure he'd be a good choice.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,330
    lordromford said:
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
    I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
    I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it. 
    Hopefully Everton take advantage…
    The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
    Is that right? I didn’t know that.
    I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"

    A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.

  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
    I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
    I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it. 
    Hopefully Everton take advantage…
    The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
    Is that right? I didn’t know that.
    I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"

    A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.

    There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money money

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,597
    edited September 18
    orpingtonRED said:
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
    I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
    I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it. 
    Hopefully Everton take advantage…
    The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
    Is that right? I didn’t know that.
    I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"

    A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.

    There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money money

    They've simply alternated what weeks the Champions League and Europa / Conference League games are on... Its why Palace played in the League Cup this week.

    Rather than all European games being across one week
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,068
    orpingtonRED said:
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    fenaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
    I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
    I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it. 
    Hopefully Everton take advantage…
    The Sunday thing is for games on a Thursday. I think they try to avoid the 12:30 KO if the Wednesday tie is away
    Is that right? I didn’t know that.
    I think it's a sort of unofficial thing, I guess if you have to travel overnight on Wednesday then Thursday isn't a "clear day"

    A considerable impact is made by UEFA competitions. Competition organisers look traditionally to give clubs at least two clear days between matches.

    There are champions league games on Thursday as well now which is odd. Money money money

    They did it last season as well, it's only for the opening matchweek.

    As part of the new format each of the three UEFA competitions has its own exclusive week without fixtures from the other two competitions.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,068
    lordromford said:
    Not that I care about Liverpool being disadvantaged, but isn’t it a bit unusual for a team to have a 12.30 Saturday kick off after playing in Europe on the Wednesday night?
    I thought the Wednesday night teams were generally moved to Sunday to allow recovery time, let alone playing the early kick off on Saturday.
    I know it’ll be because TNT bid for the Merseyside derby, but it seems a bit of a short turnaround. I’m sure Arne Slot isn’t too happy about it. 
    Hopefully Everton take advantage…
    It's not unusual. Klopp used to moan about it all the time as there was stat produced a couple of years back that showed Liverpool were the team given by far the most 12.30 Saturday kick offs after a European week.

    What is a bit silly though is that Arsenal played in an early kick off on Tuesday and Man City play in an evening kick off tonight, so Arsenal get 2 days extra rest ahead of their game on Sunday.
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,064
    orpingtonRED said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    sam3110 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Surely Amorim has to go soon? 
    Who would they get in his place? Glasner? Someone like Xavi or Zidane? A random ex player? 
    Zidane? Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole
    Zidane won't take a club job now because it's expected he will take over from Deschamps when he steps down as France manager after the World Cup.
    Not including charlton...ZZ is my 2nd fav player after R9.
    I'd love to see him in the Premier League as manager 
    Excellent taste in regards to favourite players!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,856
    edited September 19
    If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.

    Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.

    Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least. 

    Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag. 

    Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.

    Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen. 

    Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.   

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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,330
    There's one point you've missed in your very good summary AA. Their recruitment of managers is shocking. 

    Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded

    Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas

    Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites

    Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick


    They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,068
    Addick Addict said:
    If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.

    Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.

    Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least. 

    Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag. 

    Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.

    Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen. 

    Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.   
    I wouldn't go that far. Rashford and McTominay were there for years and played over 650 games for United combined.

    I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side. 

    I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,856
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Addick Addict said:
    If ever there were examples (all homegrown players too) not being as valued as they might have been then, perhaps, we should look no further than at Man United and specifically Marcus Rashford, Scott McTominay and Anthony Elanga. All three struggled to hold down a regular place but are now showing what of having managers that believe in them can do for a player's confidence.

    Antonio Conte, with a playing and managerial CV to die for, knew exactly what McTominay could bring to his side - he was Serie A Player of the Year with 12 goals and 4 assists in helping Napoli win the title last season.

    Rashford has always been someone who believes in him to perform at his best. Those goals last night and his overall performance shows that Hansi Flick has given him that. For now at least. 

    Perhaps the most interesting one of those though is Elanga. He was sold principally because Erik ten Hag felt that he didn't suit the possession style football that he wanted United to play. Elanga's pace to burn and ability to stretch sides was not for ten Hag. 

    Now here's the thing - in Elanga's final season, ten Haag started him in just 5 games. They were Liverpool (won 2-1 - Elanga came off at 1-0), Southampton (won 1-0), Leicester (won 1-0), West Ham (won 1-0 with Elanga coming off at 1-0) and Fulham (won 2-1 with Elanga coming off at 1-0). So, all five games were won and Elanga left the field with United in front too.

    Of course, Elanga was sold for £15m to Forest where he was a major part of their success last season and subsequently went for £55m to Newcastle. Last night he ripped the Barcelona full back to pieces. As for ten Hag, he was eventually sacked by United and lasted just three games this season at Bayer Leverkusen. 

    Therein, perhaps, is the inherent issue with Man Utd. A constant revolving door of managers who want to bring in players that they feel will suit their style and each time costing the Club hundreds of millions in the process. The best managers take what they've got and adapt that to suit those players. Meanwhile, United will have sold three players for a total of no more than £75m and worth probably three times that on the open market but infinitely more had they still been at United.   
    I wouldn't go that far. Rashford and McTominay were there for years and played over 650 games for United combined.

    I don't think there's any doubt both needed to leave for a fresh start, but i think that's just United in general. Any player they have in their squad would probably look better in another side. 

    I guess the answer will be money but it baffles me why the likes of Mbeumo and Sesko chose going there over somewhere like Newcastle. Until they've sorted themselves out, United is where careers go to die.
    McTominay started 119 PL games in the 8 seasons since he made his debut. In his final two seasons there he started just 28 PL games in total - 10 and 18 respectively. He started as sub in his first Serie A game and since then has started every single one of Napoli's 37 matches. There is a world of difference between the way he was treated at the two clubs.
  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,531
    fenaddick said:
    There's one point you've missed in your very good summary AA. Their recruitment of managers is shocking. 

    Jose Mourinho - Defensive Pragmatist

    Ole Gunnar Solskjær - Man manager, not tactical minded

    Ralf Ragnick - High pressing, complex tactical ideas

    Erik Ten Hag - Slower, possession style based on getting shots away rather than creating opportunites

    Ruben Amorim - Wedded not to a style of play but a formation with complex interchanging positions but a much more solo pressing system than Ragnick


    They're all very different players, it is impossible to have a squad of players who suit them all. We saw it jumping around from Garner, Adkins, Jacko, Holden, Appleton, NJ. If you recruit managers without considering your current personnel then the manager is up against it from day dot
    They probably should have stuck with Moyes for longer. Was always going to be a thankless task for whoever took over from Ferguson. 
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,079
    Leading headline this morning is Amorim saying not even the Pope would get him to change formation. The guy just wants his pay out now 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,920
    That would have been an interesting conversation though. Perhaps the Pope will mention Man U's formation in his Sunday service. 
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,300
    BigRedEvil said:
    Leading headline this morning is Amorim saying not even the Pope would get him to change formation. The guy just wants his pay out now 
    I read that.

    Begging to be sacked
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,771
    I didn't know the Pope was a man u fan? 
  • ForestHillAddick
    ForestHillAddick Posts: 101
    Refusing to change system because he thinks it will make him look weak to the players...

    I think more than anything players just want to be part of a winning team. He'll be gone soon.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,771
    Just started watching the Merseyside derby. Everton just scored to make it interesting. 2 - 1 at the moment. 

    Slot getting a bit edgy so has bought on £116 million forward in Wirtz and is about to bring on another forward who cost them £125 million. It's bloody ridiculous. 

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  • Macronate
    Macronate Posts: 12,902
    Liverpool fans being held back/made to walk a diverted route towards Warrington after the game to allow the Everton fans to get away.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,597
    Horrific start for Chelsea
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,771
    edited September 20
    Champions of the universe down to ten men
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,812
    Insert Windsor Davies GIF here…😂
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,597
    Double sub after 5mins lol!
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,330
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Double sub after 5mins lol!
    I think they made them in different stoppages which is dumb when you only get 3
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,597
    fenaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Double sub after 5mins lol!
    I think they made them in different stoppages which is dumb when you only get 3
    Must surely have been the same stoppage as the FK hadnt been taken yet? - Even more hilarious if not though
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,330
    ForeverAddickted said:
    fenaddick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Double sub after 5mins lol!
    I think they made them in different stoppages which is dumb when you only get 3
    Must surely have been the same stoppage as the FK hadnt been taken yet? - Even more hilarious if not though
    Possibly, I was dipping in and out so didn’t fully see, just noticed the subs were on 6 & 7 mins 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,597
    edited September 20
    That was nice!! - Wont be surprised if he's offside
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,488
    Thought he was off on first sight. 

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