him and Appleton are sure to take the shrews down. Easy money for those wanting a punt
He’s got 5 lol’s and I think that’s because it’ll not be Chuks’s fault they go down. But there is every chance Appleton is taking them down.
Up until the weekend they’ve looked awful. Did get an outstanding result at Barnet at the weekend though. Will wait and see if that’s a corner turned or just one lucky result.
Let me clarify:
Appleton is a pants manager (surely that’s not disputed?) and the shrews are obviously desperate taking a punt on a player that even when “fit” which is virtually never can’t move at any pace for fear of breaking down. Are people forgetting he stole a wage with us? Along with Kirk I regard his signing as one of our very worst signings in years - 8 goals in 4 seasons upon his return
Aneke won’t send them down agreed but he sure won’t contribute to their safety either imo
I reckon 5-1 is a decent bet for those into outrights
Look at our record with and without him being fit in recent years and you could maybe say we might have gone down without him
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
Whether it's down to ability or fitness, he sadly isn't a L1 footballer now, or else a L1 club would have signed him
And to be honest, last season he wasn't even that impactful when he came on. If he had retired in the summer, it wouldn't have been a massive shock.
Was our joint top assister last season, and I think his overall impact was underrated. He was our plan B, if we needed a goal he’d come on and we’d go more direct and it so often worked well and we scored late goals
I think he showed he’s still capable at that level. Due to the obvious huge risk that comes with signing him he’s had to drop to league 2, if his fitness was guaranteed for 30 sub appearances then loads of league 1 teams would sign him because he’s still good enough at that level
Would add as well that he made 28 league appearances and we only lost 5 of those games. And as we know he often came on when we were losing/drawing, in 2 of those losses the score line improved after he came on. I don’t think you can say he wasn’t impactful at all
The league appearances total a minimum of 2,520 minutes, can you please come back with how many minutes he played.
I don’t care how many minutes a player plays each game if they contribute to wins and points. Which Aneke did last year, and has always done for us when fit. If you care then feel free to work it out yourself. His injuries have obviously been a problem but him only playing half an hour each game was fine as it helped us get more wins and points
him and Appleton are sure to take the shrews down. Easy money for those wanting a punt
He’s got 5 lol’s and I think that’s because it’ll not be Chuks’s fault they go down. But there is every chance Appleton is taking them down.
Up until the weekend they’ve looked awful. Did get an outstanding result at Barnet at the weekend though. Will wait and see if that’s a corner turned or just one lucky result.
Let me clarify:
Appleton is a pants manager (surely that’s not disputed?) and the shrews are obviously desperate taking a punt on a player that even when “fit” which is virtually never can’t move at any pace for fear of breaking down. Are people forgetting he stole a wage with us? Along with Kirk I regard his signing as one of our very worst signings in years - 8 goals in 4 seasons upon his return
Aneke won’t send them down agreed but he sure won’t contribute to their safety either imo
I reckon 5-1 is a decent bet for those into outrights
Aneke stealing a wage got us over the line at Wembley. Without him, the ball would have kept coming back and orient may have nicked an equaliser.
I hate the phrase 'stealing a wage'. But especially when it is used for someone who genuinely tried their best at all times to be fit and when on the pitch. He would have loved to have played more but his body wouldn't let him.
He is chalk and cheese from Kirk, who shirked effort at any opportunity. Aneke was clearly loved by the squad and I think really helped the youngsters in the club. Campbell especially attributes Aneke with helping him develop his physical game.
30 appearances for Charlton last season in all competitions, all from the substitutes bench with his only goal in the 1-1 home draw v Rotherham last September
A useful player to have off the bench and will be interesting to see how he shapes up in League Two under Appleton
Still think we miss his style of player off the bench when chasing games. Jones loved to throw as many strikers on as possible, lump the ball to Aneke and cause chaos last season
him and Appleton are sure to take the shrews down. Easy money for those wanting a punt
He’s got 5 lol’s and I think that’s because it’ll not be Chuks’s fault they go down. But there is every chance Appleton is taking them down.
Up until the weekend they’ve looked awful. Did get an outstanding result at Barnet at the weekend though. Will wait and see if that’s a corner turned or just one lucky result.
Let me clarify:
Appleton is a pants manager (surely that’s not disputed?) and the shrews are obviously desperate taking a punt on a player that even when “fit” which is virtually never can’t move at any pace for fear of breaking down. Are people forgetting he stole a wage with us? Along with Kirk I regard his signing as one of our very worst signings in years - 8 goals in 4 seasons upon his return
Aneke won’t send them down agreed but he sure won’t contribute to their safety either imo
I reckon 5-1 is a decent bet for those into outrights
Look at our record with and without him being fit in recent years and you could maybe say we might have gone down without him
Or with the wages we paid him for 3.5 seasons, we could have had a striker fit enough to start games.
him and Appleton are sure to take the shrews down. Easy money for those wanting a punt
He’s got 5 lol’s and I think that’s because it’ll not be Chuks’s fault they go down. But there is every chance Appleton is taking them down.
Up until the weekend they’ve looked awful. Did get an outstanding result at Barnet at the weekend though. Will wait and see if that’s a corner turned or just one lucky result.
Let me clarify:
Appleton is a pants manager (surely that’s not disputed?) and the shrews are obviously desperate taking a punt on a player that even when “fit” which is virtually never can’t move at any pace for fear of breaking down. Are people forgetting he stole a wage with us? Along with Kirk I regard his signing as one of our very worst signings in years - 8 goals in 4 seasons upon his return
Aneke won’t send them down agreed but he sure won’t contribute to their safety either imo
I reckon 5-1 is a decent bet for those into outrights
Look at our record with and without him being fit in recent years and you could maybe say we might have gone down without him
Or with the wages we paid him for 3.5 seasons, we could have had a striker fit enough to start games.
Maybe.
But who we had was Chuks - and despite his fitness issues, played a key role in both our recent promotions.
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
Whether it's down to ability or fitness, he sadly isn't a L1 footballer now, or else a L1 club would have signed him
And to be honest, last season he wasn't even that impactful when he came on. If he had retired in the summer, it wouldn't have been a massive shock.
Was our joint top assister last season, and I think his overall impact was underrated. He was our plan B, if we needed a goal he’d come on and we’d go more direct and it so often worked well and we scored late goals
I think he showed he’s still capable at that level. Due to the obvious huge risk that comes with signing him he’s had to drop to league 2, if his fitness was guaranteed for 30 sub appearances then loads of league 1 teams would sign him because he’s still good enough at that level
Would add as well that he made 28 league appearances and we only lost 5 of those games. And as we know he often came on when we were losing/drawing, in 2 of those losses the score line improved after he came on. I don’t think you can say he wasn’t impactful at all
The league appearances total a minimum of 2,520 minutes, can you please come back with how many minutes he played.
I don’t care how many minutes a player plays each game if they contribute to wins and points. Which Aneke did last year, and has always done for us when fit. If you care then feel free to work it out yourself. His injuries have obviously been a problem but him only playing half an hour each game was fine as it helped us get more wins and points
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
Whether it's down to ability or fitness, he sadly isn't a L1 footballer now, or else a L1 club would have signed him
And to be honest, last season he wasn't even that impactful when he came on. If he had retired in the summer, it wouldn't have been a massive shock.
Was our joint top assister last season, and I think his overall impact was underrated. He was our plan B, if we needed a goal he’d come on and we’d go more direct and it so often worked well and we scored late goals
I think he showed he’s still capable at that level. Due to the obvious huge risk that comes with signing him he’s had to drop to league 2, if his fitness was guaranteed for 30 sub appearances then loads of league 1 teams would sign him because he’s still good enough at that level
Would add as well that he made 28 league appearances and we only lost 5 of those games. And as we know he often came on when we were losing/drawing, in 2 of those losses the score line improved after he came on. I don’t think you can say he wasn’t impactful at all
The league appearances total a minimum of 2,520 minutes, can you please come back with how many minutes he played.
I don’t care how many minutes a player plays each game if they contribute to wins and points. Which Aneke did last year, and has always done for us when fit. If you care then feel free to work it out yourself. His injuries have obviously been a problem but him only playing half an hour each game was fine as it helped us get more wins and points
Ridiculous post, are you his father?
Are you suggesting Chuks had no impact on our season? No one had more assists 🤣
So in 3 1/2 seasons, that's 8 goals and 9 assists.
I hate "assist" stats because they only reward whoever played the final ball for the goal.
Is there a "goal involvement" stat for those who contributed to the build-up to the goal?
I've made this comment on the TC thread in the past:
You make a barnstorming run down the wing, taking on half the team, turn the full back inside and out so much he's corkscrewed into the ground, lay up a delicious cross to the back post which is headed back into the middle of the goal for a tap in.
You don't get the "assist" credit, the bloke nodding the ball back does. You do all the donkey work but get no official stat ... and then people moan like f*** because looking at cold stats you've got nothing next to your name.
Chuks wouldn't just have "official" assists next to his name, the team would know that quite often he'd have contributed - even if he hadn't touched the ball - by drawing the biggest centre-back to him or even two defenders, leaving space and opportunity for others to exploit.
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
He was a cheat code in League 1. The mind boggles on what he will be in League 2. Going to blow the Shrewsbury fans' tiny minds.
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
He was a cheat code in League 1. The mind boggles on what he will be in League 2. Going to blow the Shrewsbury fans' tiny minds.
Injured mostly!
I have a lot of time for Aneke inasmuch as he always did his best when available and by all accounts was a lovely guy and very popular and influential in the squad.
But from a purely pragmatic view of value for money he was (sadly) never really fit enough long enough and cameos here and there really dont justify the outlay for me.
him and Appleton are sure to take the shrews down. Easy money for those wanting a punt
He’s got 5 lol’s and I think that’s because it’ll not be Chuks’s fault they go down. But there is every chance Appleton is taking them down.
Up until the weekend they’ve looked awful. Did get an outstanding result at Barnet at the weekend though. Will wait and see if that’s a corner turned or just one lucky result.
Let me clarify:
Appleton is a pants manager (surely that’s not disputed?) and the shrews are obviously desperate taking a punt on a player that even when “fit” which is virtually never can’t move at any pace for fear of breaking down. Are people forgetting he stole a wage with us? Along with Kirk I regard his signing as one of our very worst signings in years - 8 goals in 4 seasons upon his return
Aneke won’t send them down agreed but he sure won’t contribute to their safety either imo
I reckon 5-1 is a decent bet for those into outrights
Look at our record with and without him being fit in recent years and you could maybe say we might have gone down without him
Or with the wages we paid him for 3.5 seasons, we could have had a striker fit enough to start games.
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
He was a cheat code in League 1. The mind boggles on what he will be in League 2. Going to blow the Shrewsbury fans' tiny minds.
If they get to see him. I suspect the medical department will be worse In Shrewsbury than at Charlton. Plus with him another year older it will be reasonable to assume they’ll see even less of him than we did.
You’re looking for pre-assists @Briston_Addick but that’s still only the pass before the assist and isn’t carried in a lot of places
It may not even be the "pre-assist" that's the significant contribution to a goal.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
You’re looking for pre-assists @Briston_Addick but that’s still only the pass before the assist and isn’t carried in a lot of places
It may not even be the "pre-assist" that's the significant contribution to a goal.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
Indeed. Ice hockey recognises 2 assists on each goal, with the primary assist being last pass before the goal, but the secondary assist often being crucial (eg: winning the puck in a battle behind the net and passing it up the wall to an open teammate)
You’re looking for pre-assists @Briston_Addick but that’s still only the pass before the assist and isn’t carried in a lot of places
It may not even be the "pre-assist" that's the significant contribution to a goal.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
Totally agree. I had a brief look at Fbref which is my go to for more obscure stats and couldn't find something that describes what you're looking for.
Which really shows the limitations of stats. They can be great but can't give the full picture. That's why the eye test is so important too
You’re looking for pre-assists @Briston_Addick but that’s still only the pass before the assist and isn’t carried in a lot of places
It may not even be the "pre-assist" that's the significant contribution to a goal.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
I think the biggest Aneke example is the 4-4 game with Ipswich a couple of years ago. Didn’t get a goal or assist but I think played a part in 3 or 4 of the goals and inspired the comeback.
I don’t think you measure Aneke’s impact with goals or assist stats. Did the team get better after he came on is a better measure, and in the majority of games we did get better after he came on, which again contributed a lot to us picking up late wins
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
Whether it's down to ability or fitness, he sadly isn't a L1 footballer now, or else a L1 club would have signed him
And to be honest, last season he wasn't even that impactful when he came on. If he had retired in the summer, it wouldn't have been a massive shock.
Was our joint top assister last season, and I think his overall impact was underrated. He was our plan B, if we needed a goal he’d come on and we’d go more direct and it so often worked well and we scored late goals
I think he showed he’s still capable at that level. Due to the obvious huge risk that comes with signing him he’s had to drop to league 2, if his fitness was guaranteed for 30 sub appearances then loads of league 1 teams would sign him because he’s still good enough at that level
Would add as well that he made 28 league appearances and we only lost 5 of those games. And as we know he often came on when we were losing/drawing, in 2 of those losses the score line improved after he came on. I don’t think you can say he wasn’t impactful at all
The league appearances total a minimum of 2,520 minutes, can you please come back with how many minutes he played.
I don’t care how many minutes a player plays each game if they contribute to wins and points. Which Aneke did last year, and has always done for us when fit. If you care then feel free to work it out yourself. His injuries have obviously been a problem but him only playing half an hour each game was fine as it helped us get more wins and points
Ridiculous post, are you his father?
If Olaofe comes off the bench every game this season and contributes to us staying up I’ll be happy. It’s a squad game, if players are contributing to wins and draws then I’m happy, don’t care if it’s for 30 minutes a game if that’s their role in the squad
It says something, that yet another player who we let go ends up at the wrong end of L2.
Don’t think that has much to do with his footballing ability though. He’s easily a league 1 level footballer which he showed with the impact he made last season for us
Whether it's down to ability or fitness, he sadly isn't a L1 footballer now, or else a L1 club would have signed him
And to be honest, last season he wasn't even that impactful when he came on. If he had retired in the summer, it wouldn't have been a massive shock.
Was our joint top assister last season, and I think his overall impact was underrated. He was our plan B, if we needed a goal he’d come on and we’d go more direct and it so often worked well and we scored late goals
I think he showed he’s still capable at that level. Due to the obvious huge risk that comes with signing him he’s had to drop to league 2, if his fitness was guaranteed for 30 sub appearances then loads of league 1 teams would sign him because he’s still good enough at that level
Would add as well that he made 28 league appearances and we only lost 5 of those games. And as we know he often came on when we were losing/drawing, in 2 of those losses the score line improved after he came on. I don’t think you can say he wasn’t impactful at all
The league appearances total a minimum of 2,520 minutes, can you please come back with how many minutes he played.
I don’t care how many minutes a player plays each game if they contribute to wins and points. Which Aneke did last year, and has always done for us when fit. If you care then feel free to work it out yourself. His injuries have obviously been a problem but him only playing half an hour each game was fine as it helped us get more wins and points
Ridiculous post, are you his father?
If Olaofe comes off the bench every game this season and contributes to us staying up I’ll be happy. It’s a squad game, if players are contributing to wins and draws then I’m happy, don’t care if it’s for 30 minutes a game if that’s their role in the squad
You’re looking for pre-assists @Briston_Addick but that’s still only the pass before the assist and isn’t carried in a lot of places
It may not even be the "pre-assist" that's the significant contribution to a goal.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
I think the biggest Aneke example is the 4-4 game with Ipswich a couple of years ago. Didn’t get a goal or assist but I think played a part in 3 or 4 of the goals and inspired the comeback.
I don’t think you measure Aneke’s impact with goals or assist stats. Did the team get better after he came on is a better measure, and in the majority of games we did get better after he came on, which again contributed a lot to us picking up late wins
I remember a game a few years ago where we scored a goal and possibly the most crucial action of that move didn't even involve a pass or a tackle: it was a well-timed run that drew the defender out of the space that the ball was about to crossed to leaving a wide-open paddock for the eventual goalscorer.
I can't remember if the run was by Conor Washington or Jonathon Leko (both were good at it) but it was as good as an offensive line clearing a path for the running back ... but you'd never get a stat for it!
Happy to see him find another club, thought there was a good chance he’d pack it in. Financially he doesn’t need to carry on so must be doing it because he still really wants to play football. Hope he smashes it
How does this forum collectively know that financially he doesn’t need to carry on?
He’s got a personal property portfolio worth over £2m and his own property business. It’s a guess but I’d say he’d earn more money if he retired and focused full time on that, than he is earning from Shrewsbury who probably have one of the lower budgets in league 2. There’s loads of references to him being very switched on with his money, even from when he was younger at arsenal
Is the portfolio geared? If so it may not make him any actual cash.
Yeah, a lot of gear in can properly erode the profits i've heard.
You’re looking for pre-assists @Briston_Addick but that’s still only the pass before the assist and isn’t carried in a lot of places
It may not even be the "pre-assist" that's the significant contribution to a goal.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
Totally agree. I had a brief look at Fbref which is my go to for more obscure stats and couldn't find something that describes what you're looking for.
Which really shows the limitations of stats. They can be great but can't give the full picture. That's why the eye test is so important too
In Aussie Rules the AFL has "goal assist" and "score involvement" stats.
The goal assist will be awarded to whoever made the final pass but a score involvement will be credited to any player (on the scoring side!) who was involved in the chain of play directly leading to the score (goal or behind) even if it was a defender handing off the ball in their back-half and the ball passed through a dozen sets of hands prior to the score.
Some of Chuks's "goal involvements" were a bit more intangible than a pass, header or tackle (such as occupying the attention of a couple of defenders) but if we were count these then there might be more appreciation of his contribution to the side ... and TC's numbers would definitely look better than cold-hearted assists.
Happy to see him find another club, thought there was a good chance he’d pack it in. Financially he doesn’t need to carry on so must be doing it because he still really wants to play football. Hope he smashes it
How does this forum collectively know that financially he doesn’t need to carry on?
He’s got a personal property portfolio worth over £2m and his own property business. It’s a guess but I’d say he’d earn more money if he retired and focused full time on that, than he is earning from Shrewsbury who probably have one of the lower budgets in league 2. There’s loads of references to him being very switched on with his money, even from when he was younger at arsenal
Is the portfolio geared? If so it may not make him any actual cash.
Yeah, a lot of gear in can properly erode the profits i've heard.
Love Chuks but shame about his injury woes......was home for Hudderfield game at end of last season and we were tankng them.....then NJ brings on Chuks and I actually felt sorry for the Huddersfield defenders...getting beaten badly and then having to deal with Chuks for 15 mins.....he is a unit and will cause havoc in L2 for 20 mins a game......good luck Chuks
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He is chalk and cheese from Kirk, who shirked effort at any opportunity. Aneke was clearly loved by the squad and I think really helped the youngsters in the club. Campbell especially attributes Aneke with helping him develop his physical game.
A useful player to have off the bench and will be interesting to see how he shapes up in League Two under Appleton
But who we had was Chuks - and despite his fitness issues, played a key role in both our recent promotions.
They never show the context or tell the complete story.
Is there a "goal involvement" stat for those who contributed to the build-up to the goal?
I've made this comment on the TC thread in the past:
You make a barnstorming run down the wing, taking on half the team, turn the full back inside and out so much he's corkscrewed into the ground, lay up a delicious cross to the back post which is headed back into the middle of the goal for a tap in.
You don't get the "assist" credit, the bloke nodding the ball back does. You do all the donkey work but get no official stat ... and then people moan like f*** because looking at cold stats you've got nothing next to your name.
Chuks wouldn't just have "official" assists next to his name, the team would know that quite often he'd have contributed - even if he hadn't touched the ball - by drawing the biggest centre-back to him or even two defenders, leaving space and opportunity for others to exploit.
Stats can be misleading without context.
I have a lot of time for Aneke inasmuch as he always did his best when available and by all accounts was a lovely guy and very popular and influential in the squad.
But from a purely pragmatic view of value for money he was (sadly) never really fit enough long enough and cameos here and there really dont justify the outlay for me.
Steve Brown wins the ball (of course it was a legal challenge!) for Kins to play out wide to Steve Jones whose cross gets met by Super Clive for a hat-trick.
Mendonca gets the goal, Jones the assist. If such a thing exists Kinsella has the "pre-assist" for the penultimate pass ... but none of that happens without Brownie and apart from the goal itself that's the most significant part of the move but only recognised in our heads, not on the stats sheet.
He may have only been sub .....but when he was ready to come on, the whole energy of The Valley was lifted, the team also.
Priceless!
Which really shows the limitations of stats. They can be great but can't give the full picture. That's why the eye test is so important too
us picking up late wins
I can't remember if the run was by Conor Washington or Jonathon Leko (both were good at it) but it was as good as an offensive line clearing a path for the running back ... but you'd never get a stat for it!
The goal assist will be awarded to whoever made the final pass but a score involvement will be credited to any player (on the scoring side!) who was involved in the chain of play directly leading to the score (goal or behind) even if it was a defender handing off the ball in their back-half and the ball passed through a dozen sets of hands prior to the score.
Some of Chuks's "goal involvements" were a bit more intangible than a pass, header or tackle (such as occupying the attention of a couple of defenders) but if we were count these then there might be more appreciation of his contribution to the side ... and TC's numbers would definitely look better than cold-hearted assists.