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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Leicester City: Saturday 23rd August 2025: KO 12:30pm

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  • bromleyjohn
    bromleyjohn Posts: 5,986
    Great performance. Need Godden back. Leaburn better than Kelman.. just hoping we haven’t got another had me. .Need someone like chuks in a game like that. That was a real battle with an undeserved win for them.lloyd  Jones becoming a legend already.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,024
    Disappointed but not disheartened. These things tend to even out and if we keep playing like that we'll win lots of games this season. The effort we put in and the never say die spirit were truly admirable. I concur with others about Docherty; we said before the match that he was the weak link in today's side, but he really wasn't - he was the lynchpin. If there's on concern I have it's about team discipline. I'm all for the aggressive style of play, but the rough and tumble approach cost us a goal today. Add to that a ridiculous booking for Coventry and a soft one for Jones. I don't want our own foul play to cost us. Final word, credit to the Charlton fans, great to see them right behind the team right to the end. Long may it continue.  
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    edited August 23
    cantersaddick said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    Oggy Red said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    A reminder that TC had 1 assist all of last season in League One. 

    He's obviously there for his goal scoring ability rather than his chance creation but is that enough? Especially when he's been limited in his goal scoring positioning so far in these first 3 games and forced to attempt to create chances more often. 
    Assists are the most rubbish, misleading statistic of all.

    They are only counted if the chance created results in a goal - and depends on the ability of the goalscorer to score.

    If the chance is missed then the player creating the chance gets no credit.


    Instead, better perhaps to count and credit the chance creator, regardless of whether a goal is scored.




    Campbell's successful passes today. Do you see where the issue may be? 
    I'm sure you're gonna say sideways and backwards but feel that rather misses the point. So manybof them hebis high-up thr pitch so a sideways pass can be the incisive pass. Similarly the short pass backwards to a man with more space to enable him to get a ball in the box is the attacking move. That graphic shows me he is doing far more of the hold up play than we give him credit for.
    Personally I believe it's a team issue where we can get into those positions but cannot convert to successful passes/crosses into the opposition box. 

    Same goes for Apter. Though he fires in a lot more crosses into the box than TC does in similar areas of the pitch. 

    The majority of our successful crosses are from Coventry and Edwards....the set-piece takers. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited August 23
    golfaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    We win that 3 - 0 on another day. I feel frustrated with the result but not the team because everyone played well. Leaburn was imperious and won everything in the air, Doch and Cov responded to criticism with two outstanding performances, Jones was excellent and would make a decent striker at a lower level... everyone was good.

    (I will say, having defended Kelman recently, he annoyed me today. He came on with fresh legs and walked around the pitch).

    And while we do have a lot of athleticism in the final third, we're lacking class and quality. We have a tendency to panic and snatch at things. 

    But I can't be displeased because if we keep playing like that, we'll do well. 
    I must have watched a different game as I didnt see Leaburn win much in the air at all. Expect more in the air from someone supposedly 6ft 6. 
    Wasn't he 5th in the league for aerial duels last year, despite missing most of the season? And yet many were saying he doesn't win anything in the air. It's just become one of those things. 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,221
    ct_addick said:
    Thought Carey was anonymous today and Apter struggled with his crossing…hopefully they can adapt….beaten by a wonder goal. Do we have someone who can do that? Not sure
    Well Coventry hit a wonder strike in first half. Most keepers aren't saving that! 
  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 999
    Stig said:
    Disappointed but not disheartened. These things tend to even out and if we keep playing like that we'll win lots of games this season. The effort we put in and the never say die spirit were truly admirable. I concur with others about Docherty; we said before the match that he was the weak link in today's side, but he really wasn't - he was the lynchpin. If there's on concern I have it's about team discipline. I'm all for the aggressive style of play, but the rough and tumble approach cost us a goal today. Add to that a ridiculous booking for Coventry and a soft one for Jones. I don't want our own foul play to cost us. Final word, credit to the Charlton fans, great to see them right behind the team right to the end. Long may it continue.  
    I've had a few beers but was the ridiculous booking for Coventry when he was pulling the guys shirt and shorts off ?
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    fenaddick said:
    arny23394 said:
    fenaddick said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    A reminder that TC had 1 assist all of last season in League One. 

    He's obviously there for his goal scoring ability rather than his chance creation but is that enough? Especially when he's been limited in his goal scoring positioning so far in these first 3 games and forced to attempt to create chances more often. 
    I think he’s there for his work rate off the ball, his pressing and the fact he often brings two players to him and creates space elsewhere. He’s a player who is about a lot more than his production stats 
    But we need him to contribute with goals and assists, none of our strikers will hit double figures and I’m not sure we can expect our defence to get 15 goals between them again this season. 
    Not many strikers got over 10 goals last season in the Championship anyway

    Edit: maybe a bit OTT but 11 strikers with 11+ goals isn’t a huge amount 
    My point is our other strikers combined, will barely get as many as Godden did last season and we can’t expect the defence to score 15 again. If Campbell wants to be starting he needs to contribute with goals - Olaofe will also press and create space for others. 

    29 players hit double figures last season…
  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 999
    edited August 23
    arny23394 said:
    fenaddick said:
    arny23394 said:
    fenaddick said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    A reminder that TC had 1 assist all of last season in League One. 

    He's obviously there for his goal scoring ability rather than his chance creation but is that enough? Especially when he's been limited in his goal scoring positioning so far in these first 3 games and forced to attempt to create chances more often. 
    I think he’s there for his work rate off the ball, his pressing and the fact he often brings two players to him and creates space elsewhere. He’s a player who is about a lot more than his production stats 
    But we need him to contribute with goals and assists, none of our strikers will hit double figures and I’m not sure we can expect our defence to get 15 goals between them again this season. 
    Not many strikers got over 10 goals last season in the Championship anyway

    Edit: maybe a bit OTT but 11 strikers with 11+ goals isn’t a huge amount 
    My point is our other strikers combined, will barely get as many as Godden did last season and we can’t expect the defence to score 15 again. If Campbell wants to be starting he needs to contribute with goals - Olaofe will also press and create space for others. 

    29 players hit double figures last season…
    Exactly that 11 strikers with 11 plus goals isn't a huge amount but it's still having a striker with 11 plus goals we are 3 games In and a striker hasn't scored yet early days but you want a striker like that, this league isn't a piece of piss the goals are worth more that's wh you need that quality can't rest on your laurels.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,521
    See we're down to 14th now, but only three points off 6th spot, all is not lost, QPR will pay for today...
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,024
    Steven81 said:
    Stig said:
    Disappointed but not disheartened. These things tend to even out and if we keep playing like that we'll win lots of games this season. The effort we put in and the never say die spirit were truly admirable. I concur with others about Docherty; we said before the match that he was the weak link in today's side, but he really wasn't - he was the lynchpin. If there's on concern I have it's about team discipline. I'm all for the aggressive style of play, but the rough and tumble approach cost us a goal today. Add to that a ridiculous booking for Coventry and a soft one for Jones. I don't want our own foul play to cost us. Final word, credit to the Charlton fans, great to see them right behind the team right to the end. Long may it continue.  
    I've had a few beers but was the ridiculous booking for Coventry when he was pulling the guys shirt and shorts off ?
    Yes. By, ridiculous I don't mean it was ridiculous of the ref to book him, I mean it was ridiculous of him to do that.
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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,041
    Stig said:
    Steven81 said:
    Stig said:
    Disappointed but not disheartened. These things tend to even out and if we keep playing like that we'll win lots of games this season. The effort we put in and the never say die spirit were truly admirable. I concur with others about Docherty; we said before the match that he was the weak link in today's side, but he really wasn't - he was the lynchpin. If there's on concern I have it's about team discipline. I'm all for the aggressive style of play, but the rough and tumble approach cost us a goal today. Add to that a ridiculous booking for Coventry and a soft one for Jones. I don't want our own foul play to cost us. Final word, credit to the Charlton fans, great to see them right behind the team right to the end. Long may it continue.  
    I've had a few beers but was the ridiculous booking for Coventry when he was pulling the guys shirt and shorts off ?
    Yes. By, ridiculous I don't mean it was ridiculous of the ref to book him, I mean it was ridiculous of him to do that.
    He went a bit far but I totally understand why he did it. They’d beaten our press and a few mins before they’d beaten our press and scored 
  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 999
    edited August 23
    Stig said:
    Steven81 said:
    Stig said:
    Disappointed but not disheartened. These things tend to even out and if we keep playing like that we'll win lots of games this season. The effort we put in and the never say die spirit were truly admirable. I concur with others about Docherty; we said before the match that he was the weak link in today's side, but he really wasn't - he was the lynchpin. If there's on concern I have it's about team discipline. I'm all for the aggressive style of play, but the rough and tumble approach cost us a goal today. Add to that a ridiculous booking for Coventry and a soft one for Jones. I don't want our own foul play to cost us. Final word, credit to the Charlton fans, great to see them right behind the team right to the end. Long may it continue.  
    I've had a few beers but was the ridiculous booking for Coventry when he was pulling the guys shirt and shorts off ?
    Yes. By, ridiculous I don't mean it was ridiculous of the ref to book him, I mean it was ridiculous of him to do that.
    Now that I agree with : ) sorry lost in translation 
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,791
    We didn’t take the chances we had, they did. We gave as good as we got otherwise. 
  • Siv_in_Norfolk
    Siv_in_Norfolk Posts: 4,057
    We dominated that game. I was so impressed with how much we won thr ball back from them and the quality of pressure.

    Hey ho. WDL is ok from first 3


  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    fenaddick said:
    We’d be having a much different conversation if Coventry’s great strike had gone in instead of Fatawu’s
    But it didn't, and unfortunately both strikers missed free headers from 6 yards out, and Coventry put one over too. We had chances and we didn't take them 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,041
    Croydon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We’d be having a much different conversation if Coventry’s great strike had gone in instead of Fatawu’s
    But it didn't, and unfortunately both strikers missed free headers from 6 yards out, and Coventry put one over too. We had chances and we didn't take them 
    Sure, my point is that it’s fine margins. We played well until the 18 yard box where there were a couple of poor finishes and some bad luck. Overall it’s still a performance to be proud of in my opinion
  • Jac_52
    Jac_52 Posts: 1,460
    Second week in a row the opposing keeper has been man of the match. Was our best performance of the season despite the result. It's a big shame leaburn messed up his pass to Doc as reckon that would have been a goal and I still don't know why our goal was ruled out
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,628
    _MrDick said:
    My bold prediction, on that performance, we’ll beat QPR and Millwall 
    On today’s result, yes to QPR, however I take beating the spanners 🔧.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,628
    Diebythesword said:
    Campbell isn’t direct enough and still seems a bit more interested in drawing a foul than getting a shot or cross away. Kind of reminds me of Lloyd sam a bit, a headache for a defender, yes, but needs a bit more.
    He does seem to be the weak link.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    fenaddick said:
    Croydon said:
    fenaddick said:
    We’d be having a much different conversation if Coventry’s great strike had gone in instead of Fatawu’s
    But it didn't, and unfortunately both strikers missed free headers from 6 yards out, and Coventry put one over too. We had chances and we didn't take them 
    Sure, my point is that it’s fine margins. We played well until the 18 yard box where there were a couple of poor finishes and some bad luck. Overall it’s still a performance to be proud of in my opinion
    Agree with you. Have to remind myself that we’re set up exactly to make every game about fine margins.

    It’ll mean we win more than enough to stay up. But we’ll also lose some in frustrating fashion too.
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  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    I do not remember Charlton winning so many 50/50 balls in one game before.
    Always thought and hoped we would score, deserve to win but would accept draw at the end
    There must be easier games in the future where we must learn to score 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    ct_addick said:
    Goal was unlucky to be disallowed…there was worse going on at previous corners….
    Goal was not "disallowed" as the ref blew his whistle just before Jones headed the ball. 

    The foul was for Edwards grabbing their player around the neck. You'd be annoyed if it happened against you & not given. Fouling the player & pulling him out of position left a nice space for Jones to run into & head the ball. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,258
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Have been concerned that if we go behind in games we’ll struggle to get back into it and so it transpired. Three games one goal isn’t going to be good enough. Only three clubs on one goal. Us and bottom two.
    We showed we are more than capable to score after going behind, we really couldn’t have done much more. 
    We could have scored 
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,645
    Special mention to the AC stand ball boy who just couldn't be bothered to get off his arse and get the ball back to our players when we are pushing for an equaliser.
  • Brown59
    Brown59 Posts: 236
    Can’t be disappointed with that performance it was impressive against a good Leicester team that were premiership last season. Wonder goal to win it but overall Charlton looked the better side. It was great to hear the crowd even after going behind constantly applauding and getting behind the team. Players were great although Campbell is a bit of a luxury they can’t afford. You need battlers I don’t see him doing that and he is getting found out, but early days plenty of time yet. Keep it going Charlton hopefully we will be ok. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,628
    eastterrace6168 said:
    See we're down to 14th now, but only three points off 6th spot, all is not lost, QPR will pay for today...
    I think they already have.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,521
    The missing link today, and indeed in all three games so far is we are missing the "Godden Again" effect, and the relentless running and pressing that he gives us up top, that is clear, now where he is in his recovery from this injury, no-one knows other than Nathan and the club.
    It's a real shame that we look toothless up top so far, chances are created, but not taken, I know they had some very fortunate blocks which on at least one occasion had the keeper going the wrong way, but luck just wasn't on our side today.
    As I said can't complain on lack of effort, that was in spades, and on another day we could have won this 2 or 3 -1.
    We go again next week at Loftus Rd, with a chance of progressing in the league cup midweek, so let's see where we are after those two matches...
  • Bolderhumphreyreid
    Bolderhumphreyreid Posts: 2,553
    Not too disappointed as we played so well and created good chances.

    I thought we made poor substitutions. We’ve got such a good bench that you really shouldn’t be leaving it until 70+ minutes to make changes.

    It was clear that Miles was shattered and Olaofe should have been on to replace him. Why take off Apter and replace him with TC who was having a poor game?

    Ramsay could also hardly walk for the last 15 mins yet he takes off Edwards?

    Find it really hard to criticise N. Jones as I love him and respect him so much but I thought he could’ve been more proactive today.
  • simonmatthews
    simonmatthews Posts: 698
    The Leicester goalkeeper was outstanding, as indeed was Choudhury in their defence. I was impressed with how Charlton played and the commitment shown might be enough to keep us up. It will be interesting to see who the "one extra player" Jones intends to sign will be. Looking back, I can't help but think that Powell in 2012-2013 and Bowyer in 2019-2020 both had slightly stronger squads. We don't (yet) have a Kermogant type striker, and haven't brought in on loan players of the calibre of Gallagher and Cullen. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    golfaddick said:
    ct_addick said:
    Goal was unlucky to be disallowed…there was worse going on at previous corners….
    Goal was not "disallowed" as the ref blew his whistle just before Jones headed the ball. 

    The foul was for Edwards grabbing their player around the neck. You'd be annoyed if it happened against you & not given. Fouling the player & pulling him out of position left a nice space for Jones to run into & head the ball. 
    Just seen the replay and have to agree with this. Edwards had his bloke round the neck and it created the space for Jones to score. If that had been against us and been allowed I’d be livid.

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