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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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My faith wained briefly after Crawley because that really was rock bottom under his reign, also thought he'd end up going after that match. When he was still in charge at the weekend, I realised that it probably wasn't going to be a quick decision from the owners. So started supporting him again.
I didn't get to watch the Lincoln game, but felt the Mansfield game the following week was the precursor to Northampton and in hindsight you could tell something was changing, and that someone was in for a tonking.4 -
I think that break down is spot on. I wanted the SMT to be sacked before NJ because I couldn’t imagine them hiring anyone better at the time. Luckily NJ stayed and the SMT were given the boot!Braziliance said:I reckon he will do it with us, it will take some time, but he's proven his worth.
The whole Nathan Jones ordeal has actually taught me a lot, I am far more patient now than I ever was. Thinking back it now seems ridiculous how many people wanted him out.
If I had to break it down with oohah metrics it felt like.
5% - Stay
15% - can see why people want him to go
80% - Out
Or am I overcooking that? It definitely felt that way at games and on here. It would have been one of the biggest mistakes in our clubs history.
In terms of togetherness, cohesion, understanding, all these team work buzzwords, we are the best we have ever been since we left the prem imo.
If we are patient and the board keep backing him, I am fairly confident he can deliver us top flight football.0 -
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!Chunes said:I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.6 -
Well that's a small coincidence, because I was talking to Nicholas about this post in the pub, prior to Saturday's game.
I agree with Nick's post today.
I had nearly reached the point of calling "Jones out", except for the fact that I'm thinking we had sacked too many managers and who better could we bring in?
Therefore I felt we should stick with him a bit longer.
But without a doubt, at the time, we were playing clueless hoofball over the top of the midfield and had no one playing on the wing and very little creativity.
I can also confirm that Nick and his family follow Charlton home and away and rarely miss a game.
If all Charlton fans were as loyal we'd sell out every game home & away.10 -
Braziliance said:I reckon he will do it with us, it will take some time, but he's proven his worth.
The whole Nathan Jones ordeal has actually taught me a lot, I am far more patient now than I ever was. Thinking back it now seems ridiculous how many people wanted him out.
If I had to break it down with oohah metrics it felt like.
5% - Stay
15% - can see why people want him to go
80% - Out
Or am I overcooking that? It definitely felt that way at games and on here. It would have been one of the biggest mistakes in our clubs history.
In terms of togetherness, cohesion, understanding, all these team work buzzwords, we are the best we have ever been since we left the prem imo.
If we are patient and the board keep backing him, I am fairly confident he can deliver us top flight football.
I think this is overstating it a touch. I never wanted him out and thought it would be silly to sack him when we certainly wouldn’t be able to hire a better replacement, but I never commented on the situation as I was more apathetic than anything.I imagine that’s the same for a lot of people, a lot of people tend to speak up when they’re angry and that skews public perception.1 -
Does it matter now? It's not as though fans are always in the right or wrong. That won't change.
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I would be very grateful if we don't have to try this experiment, thank you very much!NabySarr said:
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!Chunes said:I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.3 -
All about the IFs for all sides, but had those two, and Edwards had stayed fit all season then I reckon we'd have had second in the bag.NabySarr said:
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!Chunes said:I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The difference in results between Jones being in the team, and out injured alone was ridiculous.3 -
I was with Callum.... but didn't fancy the peltees he was getting... so stayed low key. I definitely wavered after Crawley, mindSiv_in_Norfolk said:
I share itElfsborgAddick said:
Take away the 'm'.Bedsaddick said:
I certainly admire your optimism Callum but sadly I don’t think many share it .Callumcafc said:
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.paulsturgess said:
Repeat a question from before.Callumcafc said:
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.Stig said:
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.Callumcafc said:
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…eaststandmike said:
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.Callumcafc said:
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.hezzla said:I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
People don’t care. If you win.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98453/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-bolton-wanderers-saturday-24th-august-2024-ko-15-00/p1
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98413/match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-leyton-orient-saturday-17th-august-2024-ko-12-30/p10
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98415/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-leyton-orient-saturday-17th-august-2024-ko-12-30/p1
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.0 -
When we are safe (can’t piss about in the Championship)NabySarr said:
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!Chunes said:I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.0 - Sponsored links:
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Yep easily, I also think our evolution as a side would have happened much quicker. It was clear the plan was to sort the defence out first, and then go from that solid base to something a bit more fluid. Jones talked about it all the time. Those injuries halted the progress and it would have been absolutely criminal to sack him before he got those players back for at least a few gamesForeverAddickted said:
All about the IFs for all sides, but had those two, and Edwards had stayed fit all season then I reckon we'd have had second in the bag.NabySarr said:
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!Chunes said:I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The difference in results between Jones being in the team, and out injured alone was ridiculous.1 -
To be clear, this thread wasn’t bumped after the Bristol City game to rub anyone’s noses in it. Certainly not trying to get one over people who are die hard Charlton fans and have been going home and away for years - lots of respect for anyone who’s done that over the last couple of decades.The reason I use this thread is kind of simple. I just now think of this to be the de facto thread for Nathan Jones / Charlton’s journey under Nathan Jones now.
Hopefully we keep discussing on this thread when we’re in the Premier League8 -
God willing6
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If we do the basics right...Alwaysneil said:God willing0 -
Agreed with securing second last season, with the IFs in place.ForeverAddickted said:
All about the IFs for all sides, but had those two, and Edwards had stayed fit all season then I reckon we'd have had second in the bag.NabySarr said:
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!Chunes said:I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The difference in results between Jones being in the team, and out injured alone was ridiculous.Only 7 points behind Wrexham in the end (8 points with there better GD), and considering at one point we were way in to double figures behind the top 4, it was an incredible climb up the table. With those players playing in the games they actually missed, I'd be confident we would have had enough for automatic.2 -
I was get him out cos we were utter ponage for a bit but he’d earned some time due to the way he stopped the sinking ship when he came in .
That crap at Bristol rovers was beyond pathetic but he’s massively proved me wrong since and has earned a go at getting us back up even if we get relegated at some point but I know I’d be wanting him out by then cos there’s something about him I really dislike .
Callum is so positive it’s almost madness, which means I’m so scared of him not being 100% keen on Kelman ,I’ve not watched him live yet (kelman not Callum) I’m just getting a Ronnie Schwartz /Nathan Ajose vibe from him3 -
Was Nathan Ajose Nicky’s better brother?oohaahmortimer said:¡I was get him out cos we were utter ponage for a bit but he’d earned some time due to the way he stopped the sinking ship when he came in .
That crap at Bristol rovers was beyond pathetic but he’s massively proved me wrong since and has earned a go at getting us back up even if we get relegated at some point but I know I’d be wanting him out by then cos there’s something about him I really dislike .
Callum is so positive it’s almost madness, which means I’m so scared of him not being 100% keen on Kelman ,I’ve not watched him live yet (kelman not Callum) I’m just getting a Ronnie Schwartz /Nathan Ajose vibe from him1 -
I think as a fan base we’ve gotten use to the merry go round of sacking managers and are burnt by bad owners! Luckily we’ve neither bad manager or owners at present and we just need to enjoy the ride. NJ has got the best out of this team and we will only get better.2
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I think he would have been sacked at quite a few clubs. My position was just about we should keep him as continuously sacking managers was proven not to work but I had no confidence in him being honest. He was given his chance and took it. Looking back at his career, I think he needs to be given time which is something he didn't have at Stoke or Southampton.2
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That period when we played Crawley and Bristol Rovers were dark times and I think most fans had reached a point where we couldn’t see a way out of it fortunately the ownership held their nerve and the club turned around. NJ said it would ! Very few of us believed him. He is now saying we will continue to improve and if we can to the same level as we have since those dark days things could get mental ! I’m now in the trust the bloke camp and see where we go2
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Well said @Nicholas agree with all that. Though I hadn’t got to Jones Out levels I was so disappointed with how things were turning out and couldn’t see such a sharp turnaround occurring.It’s been nothing short of an absolute joy to follow the club home and away since the Northampton game in December. Good to see you and Jnr on Saturday mate.5
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Out of curiosity... What has to happen this season, or in the future for the reaction to turn back to what it was this time last year?
I mean we don't want to be relegated this season, yet if it happens do we stick with Jones on the hope that he repeats last season with us. I mean he's never technically been relegated as a Manager either though.
In an ideal world at least I think we've got to look at the Championship as a three year plan at the very least... This year to survive, next year to improve, the following year to push for the top six... Of course Football is never that straightforward.0 -
I genuinely don’t think we will go down this season but even if we did I would stick with NJ to get us back up. I think we got promoted a year earlier than the plan so this year is a free hit. Personally I think that subject to us not getting a massive injury crisis we might surprise ourselves this season if n terms of where we finishForeverAddickted said:Out of curiosity... What has to happen this season, or in the future for the reaction to turn back to what it was this time last year?
I mean we don't want to be relegated this season, yet if it happens do we stick with Jones on the hope that he repeats last season with us. I mean he's never technically been relegated as a Manager either though.
In an ideal world at least I think we've got to look at the Championship as a three year plan at the very least... This year to survive, next year to improve, the following year to push for the top six... Of course Football is never that straightforward.6 -
There was a good episode on the “where’s the money gone” podcast with Charlie Methven talking about Ange Postecoglu when he was fired, and comparing that with how things were going with Nathan Jones, worth a listen.He talks in there about how the players were all clearly behind NJ, training was good and it was clear to the SMT that there was progress being made at training to turn things around. Clearly results meant that they were assessing their options with the manager, but observing training sessions meant he was given more time.This clearly turned out to be the right choice, but I do wonder how many more Crawley type performances NJ would have been allowed…1
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In terms of stuff and everything...th0rryy said:
If we do the basics right...Alwaysneil said:God willing0 -
That’s interesting to hear. Of course one the most popular go to phrases when a team are not performing well is that ‘the manager has lost the dressing room’.Chrispy51 said:There was a good episode on the “where’s the money gone” podcast with Charlie Methven talking about Ange Postecoglu when he was fired, and comparing that with how things were going with Nathan Jones, worth a listen.He talks in there about how the players were all clearly behind NJ, training was good and it was clear to the SMT that there was progress being made at training to turn things around. Clearly results meant that they were assessing their options with the manager, but observing training sessions meant he was given more time.This clearly turned out to be the right choice, but I do wonder how many more Crawley type performances NJ would have been allowed…
Im sure that does happen, though probably not as often as it’s touted. But it’s still good to hear how much this group of players buy into Jones.
I expect Doc as well as Berry and Godden were a big part of that1 -
'The manager has lost the dressing room', stock response 'Oh I didnt realise appleton was the manager'FishCostaFortune said:
That’s interesting to hear. Of course one the most popular go to phrases when a team are not performing well is that ‘the manager has lost the dressing room’.Chrispy51 said:There was a good episode on the “where’s the money gone” podcast with Charlie Methven talking about Ange Postecoglu when he was fired, and comparing that with how things were going with Nathan Jones, worth a listen.He talks in there about how the players were all clearly behind NJ, training was good and it was clear to the SMT that there was progress being made at training to turn things around. Clearly results meant that they were assessing their options with the manager, but observing training sessions meant he was given more time.This clearly turned out to be the right choice, but I do wonder how many more Crawley type performances NJ would have been allowed…
Im sure that does happen, though probably not as often as it’s touted. But it’s still good to hear how much this group of players buy into Jones.
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My only slight concern with us is that Jones has successfully set us up to be very tight at the back and then see if we can take one or two of the three or four good chances that always come along in a match. It’s a strategy that’s stood us in good stead last season and again in the two this. Do we have enough attacking flair to come back once we’re a goal or two down ? We came from 0 - 2 at home to Lincoln to draw 2 - 2 last April but Championship teams will be much harder and have more about them in defending a lead. I’m not too sure we do. Well no doubt see soon enough.0
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I still maintain that we were perfectly justified to be worried about how things were going around the Crawley game, and my opinion at the time was that he should go. It just looked like things were going the same way they went with Appleton.
I think some people in the crowd took it a bit too far, shouting some pretty horrendous abuse at him. Whenever he mentions it, I don't mind it as I think managers and players have every right to give a little back when they receive abuse like that. I found it amusing that after the Watford game, their fans got really upset when Jones came over and celebrated in front of them after they had been calling him everything under the sun for 90 minutes. What an absolute bunch of babies.
I'm really glad he has turned it around. This is my favourite period of being a Charlton fan. I do remember the Premier League years, but I was just a kid back then, so I appreciate it so much more now. After the Crawley game, I wrote on here that it felt like it was the worst period of my Charlton supporting career, which seems such a dumb thing to say now, but at the time we were really bad. It's been such a fantastic turnaround. Jones has done an amazing job, we just had to be patient, I'm glad that the board were.
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Maybe you should have read what I said then, " not calling you out ". If you are that sensitive about it I'm sure there might be forums about my little pony or hello kitty you could join.Nicholas said:
Of course it's been an amazing turn around, no one can deny that, after the Awful football that was served up in the first half of the season to what we went on to achieve was astonishing and fair play for that. Do I think I was wrong to call him out at the time, no not one bit. We had been watching the same shit with different managers season after season, Jones felt like a long a continuation of them. The season he came in, he did very well to keep us up. It was a real tough watch but the main goal was completed and we stayed up. We then came into the new season full of optimism, I was fully expecting him to implement his ideas with the players he signed only to watch the same mind numbing long ball football we saw the season before. We was getting beat by so many crap teams. I remember moaning on here during the summer transfer window that he didn't sign any wingers or another attacking midfielder in case Berry got injured, to then watch us create nothing in games and play that horrible hoof ball was now unbearable. We then got to that Crawley game I fully expected him to get the boot I assume he did too, but they gave him a chance and he finally changed his ways and played with Wingers in Small and TC and are fortunes changed and we haven't looked back since. Some could say if only he listened to me in the Summer calling him to buy wingers this thread would have never been createdCaptainRobbo said:
Not calling you out as a lot of us agreed at the time, just think it's amazing the progress made in less than a year.Nicholas said:Out!!!! yes I said it and I don't care. Shit negative football, making 4-6 changes every game tell us he is desperate and has no clue. Dropping decent players who have played well for no reason. Horrible little manager with no clue whatsoever. How have we come into the season with no attacking midfielders and no wingers. We have been lucky against Wigan, Orient and Shrewsbury all 3 of those games we were awful but got the points we all got excited and thought we were winning ugly and it will only be a matter of time before we start playing well. Well we can all see that is not going to happen. There is no point having a midfield if we are going to just lump it past them to probably one of the worst strikers ever to wear the clubs colours. To make things worse that same shit striker is playing alongside Campbell who was not good enough last season on the wing and should have been sold, but because he has a half decent pre season we have kept him.
Justt a guess but don't think the players like Jones, and think he has pissed a lot of them off already with his shit negative football and stupid demands. To drop Mitchell was just crazy. Then to bring Anderson straight into the team after one of the worst performences ever at Cambridge is remarkable. Today he drops Kane who has been one of the if not best players this season for Watson another weird decision.
I know I am going to get laughed at about who do we bring in and we need to give him time we cant keep doing this, I dont care anymore, every season we get worse and every season we give these shit managers far too long. Yes it begins from the top they are also a pile of shit. But this bloke has all the signs of the wrongun and think we need act now before its too late.
I've supported the club for many many years and go up and down the country no matter how shit we are, its what I do. I have taken my now 10 year old for the last 4-5 years and he is now obsessed like I was at that age and still am, however it's been so tough trying to be enthusiastic and up beat in front of him watching some of the crap we have to put up with for the last 10-15 years. I absolutely loved watching him getting excited on the season concluding and to go up at Wembley was something special and I can't thank Jones and the boys enough for that. He has done a wonderful job and he has made us a real good side and I think we will easily stay up this year and might even Suprise a few and sniff round the plays offs this season and like every manager or player I moan about on here there is nothing I want more is for them to turn it around and shut me up, which Jones did and I'm glad.
One thing that does annoy me and I know not everyone can attend games for all different kinds of circumstances, but when you don't go anymore and watch every game on TV , I don't care what you say you will never have that feeling of going away to some shitty northern town week after week and every home game spending an absolute fortune for the team to play shocking football and give nothing back, you become mightily pissed off and bitter and you do say stuff on here you may regret it's called emotion and yes you will still have the same emotion as every Charlton fan, but you wont have the 5 hour journey home in middle of winter, you wont be 200 notes down, you will be in your warm house getting on with the rest of your day. So find it very strange why some weirdo's on here keep bumping this thread to try and prove a point it beyond pathetic and need to get a life.
Be warned though, those 8 year olds can be brutal and sometimes a little weird, be safe.2
