I wonder how the people of Mount Pleasant would feel if they knew Charlie boy was only over there because they had the 'slavery advantage' hundreds of years ago.
Could the comments have been taken out of context slightly? I.e. the theory about the reasons for Jamaica producing so many good athletes was a (weird) sidenote and starting the partnership based on the purported higher number of good athletes there is pretty sound reasoning? Genuine question rather than an opinion so happy to be told I'm wrong.
I don't think calling out a post like that is the derailing. It's posting something like that in the first place that derails it.
Posting what a senior member of staff had said? Swisdom wasn’t agreeing with it, just stating what was said.
Repeating something that is that horrific and calling it fascinating and not calling it what it is - pseudo science with roots in racism and borderline eugenics.
Agreed, fascinating definitely wasn’t the right word, I just hope the real disgust it saved for the right person here, which is clearly CM.
I don't think calling out a post like that is the derailing. It's posting something like that in the first place that derails it.
Posting what a senior member of staff had said? Swisdom wasn’t agreeing with it, just stating what was said.
Repeating something that is that horrific and calling it fascinating and not calling it what it is - pseudo science with roots in racism and borderline eugenics.
Agreed, fascinating definitely wasn’t the right word, I just hope the real disgust it saved for the right person here, which is clearly CM.
And all the usual people who sucked up what a good guy he was, but have been strangely silent on the subject since he was booted.
Just posted this on the transfer thread in response to another comment, but probably more appropriate here…
Is the deal with Mount Pleasant still there? Methven posted the other day that he and the owner, Peter Gould, had bought a controlling stake in Belgian club - RAEC Mons. Sounds very much like we’ve been “dumped”!
He stated that “With an academy at Mount Pleasant stacked with youth and senior internationals aged 15 to 17, the time had come for us to find a permanent European home for the top Caribbean talent to fulfil their potential. I wouldn’t have come to Jamaica unless I truly believed that the Caribbean region is the next frontier for elite talent - but that talent needed a proper platform crafted for player development and sympathetic cultural adaptation. Together with our local Belgian partners, Hubert Ewbank, Bernard Courcelles and Simon van Kerckhoven, that is the work we now embark on.”
Im more shocked that you are all commenting on something so sensitive based totally on hearsay i.e. without any actual proof it was stated and if it was, in what context.
Nothing like manufacturing some outrage to keep you all on the right side of history and to sleep well at night ehh!.
I know that cantersaddick thinks of himself as a legal expert so maybe he could work out whether the above statements meet the threshold for libel?
Lots of things meet the threshold for libel every day. The question isn’t whether they are defamatory, which can only be decided in court, but whether the subject has the incentive to sue, thereby publicising the allegation. So the point is usually moot, as I suggest it is here.
Im more shocked that you are all commenting on something so sensitive based totally on hearsay i.e. without any actual proof it was stated and if it was, in what context.
Nothing like manufacturing some outrage to keep you all on the right side of history and to sleep well at night ehh!.
I know that cantersaddick thinks of himself as a legal expert so maybe he could work out whether the above statements meet the threshold for libel?
You obviously have a view too, why not share it rather than questioning other people’s motives…
Methven's words clearly claim that Jamaica “got first refusal” on enslaved Africans during the transatlantic slave trade and "chose the fittest and strongest." This oversimplifies and distorts the reality of slavery: enslaved people were not "chosen" by colonies in a structured, merit-based way and the horrific system treated human beings as commodities. It also implies a reductionist, genetic determinist view that modern Jamaicans are inherently "physically superior" because of selective survival under slavery. By framing Jamaicans as a "gene pool of excellent physical specimens," the comment reduces an entire nation to physical attributes for athletic exploitation. This is racial essentialism - the idea that a racial or ethnic group has inherent, uniform biological traits that define its abilities. It also instrumentalises people as resources ("a potential goldmine"), suggesting that Jamaican athletes are valuable primarily for their bodies.
Methven is connecting this view directly to a football "tie-in with all things Jamaican," implying that the partnership is driven by a belief that Jamaicans are a source of exploitable athletic talent, not a mutual cultural or sporting exchange.
It's Reductionist and Objectifying - he is treating Jamaican people primarily as a means to athletic and financial success, rather than as individuals or a community with agency.
It's Racially Essentialist - the argument relies on ideas historically associated with scientific racism and eugenics - the belief that certain races have innate traits or are biologically "better" at certain things.
It's Insensitive to Historical Trauma - framing the legacy of slavery as a sort of beneficial "genetic selection" ignores the brutality of that system and trivializes the suffering endured by enslaved Africans and their descendants.
The quote reflects a mindset that reduces Jamaicans to their bodies and treats a history of brutal oppression as an opportunity for sporting profit. Even if the Methven considered it an "enlightening" or casual observation, it is laden with racial essentialism and objectification. Many people would find it offensive and troubling because it echoes historical exploitation and perpetuates stereotypes.
But it's much worse than that. Because it's words spoken by a well-educated, knowledgeable, sports investor, with a knowledge of football and a job in Jamaica. All those reasons exacerbate what he's said.
A white, northern European man going to a country overseas and suggesting there may be profit to be made from the population because of their inherent and inherited natural traits? If anyone had ever put up a statue to him, I would hope and expect it to be toppled, sharpish.
Im more shocked that you are all commenting on something so sensitive based totally on hearsay i.e. without any actual proof it was stated and if it was, in what context.
Nothing like manufacturing some outrage to keep you all on the right side of history and to sleep well at night ehh!.
I know that cantersaddick thinks of himself as a legal expert so maybe he could work out whether the above statements meet the threshold for libel?
What a weird comment. All because I had the ability to Google what a piece of legislation said and post it with a link on a thread discussing that law. That you didn't like what it said is rather your problem not mine.
The "outrage" has been about what was posted on here. I haven't seen anyone sya anything about CM other than the original person who claimed he said it. Everything else is simply saying its a pretty horrendous thing to have been said or even to repeat. Do you disagree with that?
Jamaica's genetic advantage for producing world-class sprinters stems from its unique history, specifically the transatlantic slave trade.
The vast majority of the Jamaican population is of West and Central African descent. The people enslaved and brought to the island came from regions where a specific genetic trait, the **ACTN3 R variant**, was already highly prevalent. This gene is crucial for producing a protein that aids in the function of **fast-twitch muscle fibers**, which are essential for explosive movements like sprinting.
Due to the **founder effect**, where the genetic traits of a small founding population become amplified over generations, the high frequency of this "sprinter gene" became a dominant feature in the Jamaican gene pool. This gave a larger portion of the population the genetic tools necessary for elite sprinting.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
My first comment was from Gemini AI, it wasn't an opinion piece. It says they have advantageous genetics because the founders of the population happened to be blessed with the ACTN3 R variant gene, which promotes fast twitch muscle fibre.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
My first comment was from Gemini AI, it wasn't an opinion piece. It says they have advantageous genetics because the founders of the population happened to be blessed with the ACTN3 R variant gene, which promotes fast twitch muscle fibre.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
Well what do you think a national programme for sprinting and athletics is for?
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
My first comment was from Gemini AI, it wasn't an opinion piece. It says they have advantageous genetics because the founders of the population happened to be blessed with the ACTN3 R variant gene, which promotes fast twitch muscle fibre.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
Well what do you think a national programme for sprinting and athletics is for?
Okay how about this:
It has long been noted that a striking number of elite sprinters from all around the world, including North America and Europe, have genetic ties to the Caribbean and especially Jamaica.
Donovan Bailey (Canadian from Jamaica)
Bruny Surin (Canadian from Haiti)
Ben Johnson (Canadian from Jamaica)
Linford Christie (Briton from Jamaica)
Ato Boldon (Trinidadian who spend most of his life in the US, mother is Jamaican)
Zharnel Hughes (Briton from Anguilla).
Not only are the two fastest Canadians (three if you count BJ) from the Caribbean, but also the two fastest Britons, who ran 25 years apart.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
My first comment was from Gemini AI, it wasn't an opinion piece. It says they have advantageous genetics because the founders of the population happened to be blessed with the ACTN3 R variant gene, which promotes fast twitch muscle fibre.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
Well what do you think a national programme for sprinting and athletics is for?
Okay how about this:
It has long been noted that a striking number of elite sprinters from all around the world, including North America and Europe, have genetic ties to the Caribbean and especially Jamaica.
Donovan Bailey (Canadian from Jamaica)
Bruny Surin (Canadian from Haiti)
Ben Johnson (Canadian from Jamaica)
Linford Christie (Briton from Jamaica)
Ato Boldon (Trinidadian who spend most of his life in the US, mother is Jamaican)
Zharnel Hughes (Briton from Anguilla).
Not only are the two fastest Canadians (three if you count BJ) from the Caribbean, but also the two fastest Britons, who ran 25 years apart.
If they have such a genetic advantage, why did they move?
For elite training, strength and conditioning work alongside elite coaches.
Natural talent/genetics isn't enough. An Italian won in 2020, do we need to claim he won because there's some genetic advantage to being born in Texas or something? Or is it because he made the most of the talent he was gifted with?
Anyway the main point is this:
Quick youngsters in this country/Europe/South America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wingers/strikers/footballers. Quick youngsters in America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wide receivers/running backs/American footballers. Quick youngsters in the Carribbean that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become sprinters.
I wonder how much we paid for our tie up with Mount Pleasant, taking teams there and bring their teams here etc. must have been a fair whack and likely for little reward unless Dixon makes it.
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
My first comment was from Gemini AI, it wasn't an opinion piece. It says they have advantageous genetics because the founders of the population happened to be blessed with the ACTN3 R variant gene, which promotes fast twitch muscle fibre.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
Well what do you think a national programme for sprinting and athletics is for?
Okay how about this:
It has long been noted that a striking number of elite sprinters from all around the world, including North America and Europe, have genetic ties to the Caribbean and especially Jamaica.
Donovan Bailey (Canadian from Jamaica)
Bruny Surin (Canadian from Haiti)
Ben Johnson (Canadian from Jamaica)
Linford Christie (Briton from Jamaica)
Ato Boldon (Trinidadian who spend most of his life in the US, mother is Jamaican)
Zharnel Hughes (Briton from Anguilla).
Not only are the two fastest Canadians (three if you count BJ) from the Caribbean, but also the two fastest Britons, who ran 25 years apart.
If they have such a genetic advantage, why did they move?
For elite training, strength and conditioning work alongside elite coaches.
Natural talent/genetics isn't enough. An Italian won in 2020, do we need to claim he won because there's some genetic advantage to being born in Texas or something? Or is it because he made the most of the talent he was gifted with?
Anyway the main point is this:
Quick youngsters in this country/Europe/South America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wingers/strikers/footballers. Quick youngsters in America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wide receivers/running backs/American footballers. Quick youngsters in the Carribbean that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become sprinters.
That's the difference.
I dunno man, half of your points above match with my points, and some of your others I also agree with.
Just think its indisputable that Jamaica has superb athlete genetics, as much as the UK has indisputable manky teeth genetics. Its all in the numbers.
I wonder how much we paid for our tie up with Mount Pleasant, taking teams there and bring their teams here etc. must have been a fair whack and likely for little reward unless Dixon makes it.
it cost 10 slaves from Methven's personal stable. Most of them served him throughout Eton and he can vouch that they all have the ACTN3 R variant
I'm sure professional training and a national programme around sprinting and athletics probably helps a bit more than the assumption that babies are coming out of the womb being able to do 100m in 10 seconds.
Being able to run 100m in 10 seconds is an incredible feat, a gift from god. No amount of training will get you there if youre not built with elite genetics.
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
Agree but you are saying specifically Jamaica have an advantage over every other nation because they have genetics that are not prevalent in any other nation on Earth.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
My first comment was from Gemini AI, it wasn't an opinion piece. It says they have advantageous genetics because the founders of the population happened to be blessed with the ACTN3 R variant gene, which promotes fast twitch muscle fibre.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
Well what do you think a national programme for sprinting and athletics is for?
Okay how about this:
It has long been noted that a striking number of elite sprinters from all around the world, including North America and Europe, have genetic ties to the Caribbean and especially Jamaica.
Donovan Bailey (Canadian from Jamaica)
Bruny Surin (Canadian from Haiti)
Ben Johnson (Canadian from Jamaica)
Linford Christie (Briton from Jamaica)
Ato Boldon (Trinidadian who spend most of his life in the US, mother is Jamaican)
Zharnel Hughes (Briton from Anguilla).
Not only are the two fastest Canadians (three if you count BJ) from the Caribbean, but also the two fastest Britons, who ran 25 years apart.
If they have such a genetic advantage, why did they move?
For elite training, strength and conditioning work alongside elite coaches.
Natural talent/genetics isn't enough. An Italian won in 2020, do we need to claim he won because there's some genetic advantage to being born in Texas or something? Or is it because he made the most of the talent he was gifted with?
Anyway the main point is this:
Quick youngsters in this country/Europe/South America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wingers/strikers/footballers. Quick youngsters in America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wide receivers/running backs/American footballers. Quick youngsters in the Carribbean that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become sprinters.
That's the difference.
I dunno man, half of your points above match with my points, and some of your others I also agree with.
Just think its indisputable that Jamaica has superb athlete genetics, as much as the UK has indisputable manky teeth genetics. Its all in the numbers.
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Deary me.
Nothing like manufacturing some outrage to keep you all on the right side of history and to sleep well at night ehh!.
I know that cantersaddick thinks of himself as a legal expert so maybe he could work out whether the above statements meet the threshold for libel?
Methven's words clearly claim that Jamaica “got first refusal” on enslaved Africans during the transatlantic slave trade and "chose the fittest and strongest." This oversimplifies and distorts the reality of slavery: enslaved people were not "chosen" by colonies in a structured, merit-based way and the horrific system treated human beings as commodities. It also implies a reductionist, genetic determinist view that modern Jamaicans are inherently "physically superior" because of selective survival under slavery. By framing Jamaicans as a "gene pool of excellent physical specimens," the comment reduces an entire nation to physical attributes for athletic exploitation. This is racial essentialism - the idea that a racial or ethnic group has inherent, uniform biological traits that define its abilities. It also instrumentalises people as resources ("a potential goldmine"), suggesting that Jamaican athletes are valuable primarily for their bodies.
Methven is connecting this view directly to a football "tie-in with all things Jamaican," implying that the partnership is driven by a belief that Jamaicans are a source of exploitable athletic talent, not a mutual cultural or sporting exchange.
It's Reductionist and Objectifying - he is treating Jamaican people primarily as a means to athletic and financial success, rather than as individuals or a community with agency.
It's Racially Essentialist - the argument relies on ideas historically associated with scientific racism and eugenics - the belief that certain races have innate traits or are biologically "better" at certain things.
It's Insensitive to Historical Trauma - framing the legacy of slavery as a sort of beneficial "genetic selection" ignores the brutality of that system and trivializes the suffering endured by enslaved Africans and their descendants.
The quote reflects a mindset that reduces Jamaicans to their bodies and treats a history of brutal oppression as an opportunity for sporting profit. Even if the Methven considered it an "enlightening" or casual observation, it is laden with racial essentialism and objectification. Many people would find it offensive and troubling because it echoes historical exploitation and perpetuates stereotypes.
But it's much worse than that. Because it's words spoken by a well-educated, knowledgeable, sports investor, with a knowledge of football and a job in Jamaica. All those reasons exacerbate what he's said.
A white, northern European man going to a country overseas and suggesting there may be profit to be made from the population because of their inherent and inherited natural traits? If anyone had ever put up a statue to him, I would hope and expect it to be toppled, sharpish.
The "outrage" has been about what was posted on here. I haven't seen anyone sya anything about CM other than the original person who claimed he said it. Everything else is simply saying its a pretty horrendous thing to have been said or even to repeat. Do you disagree with that?
Same goes for the strongest weightlifters and the smartest physicists.
Training, education and dedication is required in addition to elite genetics in the specific field to be among the world's best.
They could have taken me as a baby and trained me every day of my life to be a 100m sprinter with the best coaches around and I wouldn't be able to run 100m in 10 seconds.
If that's so, why has only one male Jamaican won an olympic gold in the 100m throughout Olympic history? Or did this natural advantage only occur after 2008?
There are people that will be naturally more gifted than other people at specific sports/talents/crafts, you don't need pseudoscience nonsense about slavery to claim that.
In terms of the 100m winners, the world's best will have the best combination of genetics, training, dedication, and sadly most likely, the best doctors well versed in PED use without detection.
Jamaicas generation of elite runners were most probably aided by PEDs in any case. As you note yourself, it is odd how they suddenly had a handful of dominant athletes at the same time.
It has long been noted that a striking number of elite sprinters from all around the world, including North America and Europe, have genetic ties to the Caribbean and especially Jamaica.
3 days before the new season starts and a hot topic is slavery.
For elite training, strength and conditioning work alongside elite coaches.
Natural talent/genetics isn't enough. An Italian won in 2020, do we need to claim he won because there's some genetic advantage to being born in Texas or something? Or is it because he made the most of the talent he was gifted with?
Anyway the main point is this:
Quick youngsters in this country/Europe/South America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wingers/strikers/footballers.
Quick youngsters in America that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become wide receivers/running backs/American footballers.
Quick youngsters in the Carribbean that have physical gifts are more likely than not going to attempt to become sprinters.
That's the difference.
Just think its indisputable that Jamaica has superb athlete genetics, as much as the UK has indisputable manky teeth genetics. Its all in the numbers.