It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
How do you measure if a band "cracked america"? A quick google tells me that whats the story morning glory sold 5 million copies in America which is pretty decent i'd say and they are playing stadiums there so again decent.
After spending hours not managing to get tickets when they initially went on sale, I had convinced myself that I didn’t want to go. Then after the reviews I changed my mind. More hours on twickets trying to get one at face value with no success. Finally had to go to stubhub on Thursday and got one for last night. At £480 it cost me more than my Charlton season ticket, but I’m really glad I did. Felt a bit better when the couple next me to said they had spent £675 each! Great gig with all the bangers.
It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
As a metal fan, I agree that concert holds a major weight - especially considering what happened shortly after. It’s the most emotionally charged metal show in history, and I don’t think I’m letting recency bias influence that.
I feel it’s quite hard to compare with Oasis though. One is a single farewell / tribute show which caters to one genre of music, whilst the other is an enormous reunion tour that had been yearned for 16 years and was on the radar of practically every adult in the country when it was announced.
Both seismic in differing ways. One more in terms of paying tribute to an extremely important musical contribution, and another which is on a different stratosphere from a commercial / celebrity / mainstream perspective (again, in this country).
Ashcroft was brilliant but his ticket prices for 02 are a pisstake over £90 for a standing one
Paid about 40 quid to see him at Dreamland last summer and only a few standing rows from the front after getting in about 7pm. But he’s having a renaissance so he’s all in for the money making now. He is brilliant tho.
San Siro would be a good one as I'd like to go there before it closes. Or Hampden I've never been. Amsterdam bloody hell they are all tempting
Eros Ramazzotti is playing San Siro on 9 June. They never (as far as I am aware) have different artists playing at San Siro on consecutive nights.
It would require the Oasis set teardown, removal of front-of-house and delay towers, dimantling of PA and lighting rigs and the load out of backline and the (huge) video walls; pitch and stadium surface inspection and cleaning; then laying stage decking and rigging towers and installation of main PA and lighting trusses, assembly of video walls and lighting, positioning of backline and props; testing PA and lighting positions; and then soundcheck... all taking place between midnight (after an Oasis gig) and about 6pm, half an hour before gates open. I can't see that happening.
It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
Oasis were/are very very popular in South America. Significance to music isn't all about the USA you know.
It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
Oasis were/are very very popular in South America. Significance to music isn't all about the USA you know.
Who do you think were more popular in South America out of Oasis and Black Sabbath? Some of you guys live in a complete bubble.
Id be surprised if there’s a single country, and South America is one of Metals biggest markets. Oasis were part of a wave that lasted a relatively short time, Black Sabbath invented a genre and remained at the pinnacle of it for over 50 years.
Its possible to like both. Geezer Butler and Ozzy Osbourne made some great records and so has Noel Gallagher with his brother snarling his way through chorus after chorus.
That said nobody is going to convince me Black Sabbath had more of a lasting impression on Britain and culture than Oasis did.
Put a Sabbath album track on a pub jukebox followed up by an oasis album track or B side see which one most people recognise
It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
Oasis were/are very very popular in South America. Significance to music isn't all about the USA you know.
went Saturday was a great concert but the agg getting home i think its my last wembley concert fight on platform people fainting on tube was hard work, only going again if its Charlton or England and its finished by 8pm
Its possible to like both. Geezer Butler and Ozzy Osbourne made some great records and so has Noel Gallagher with his brother snarling his way through chorus after chorus.
That said nobody is going to convince me Black Sabbath had more of a lasting impression on Britain and culture than Oasis did.
Put a Sabbath album track on a pub jukebox followed up by an oasis album track or B side see which one most people recognise
I know it's not all about singles and hits but given a bit of time I could name about 30 memorable Oasis songs and 1 from Black Saabbath. Ok I'm not particularly a heavy metal fan, but I'd back myself to beat 95% of the population in a pop/music quiz.
went Saturday was a great concert but the agg getting home i think its my last wembley concert fight on platform people fainting on tube was hard work, only going again if its Charlton or England and its finished by 8pm
We were straight out at 10.20 after Champagne Supernova, on the 10.32 from Stadium station and on the platform at Marylebone at 10.44, and back in Charing X pub just gone 11
I was on the 10.22 from Wembley Stadium Station and home in Bromley by 23.25. I've been banging on about using Wembley Stadium Station for years on here.
I was on the 10.22 from Wembley Stadium Station and home in Bromley by 23.25. I've been banging on about using Wembley Stadium Station for years on here.
I was on the 10.22 from Wembley Stadium Station and home in Bromley by 23.25. I've been banging on about using Wembley Stadium Station for years on here.
How could you leave before the end??
I got a seat in a block closest to the station, so left half way through Champagne Supernova and was on a train in about 4 minutes.
It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
As a metal fan, I agree that concert holds a major weight - especially considering what happened shortly after. It’s the most emotionally charged metal show in history, and I don’t think I’m letting recency bias influence that.
I feel it’s quite hard to compare with Oasis though. One is a single farewell / tribute show which caters to one genre of music, whilst the other is an enormous reunion tour that had been yearned for 16 years and was on the radar of practically every adult in the country when it was announced.
Both seismic in differing ways. One more in terms of paying tribute to an extremely important musical contribution, and another which is on a different stratosphere from a commercial / celebrity / mainstream perspective (again, in this country).
You sure about that? I live less than 20 miles from Manchester, not a single one of my immediate mates were interested (about 20 altogether, age range between 30 and 60), and I only know two 'acquaintances' who cared enough to get tickets. Estimate I probably know about 200 people up here well enough to call 'acquaintances'.
I'm not saying it's not a big tour. Clearly it is. Just that I think you overestimate their reach a bit.
It's down to personal opinion, but to me Black Sabbath's final concert with the line up they had and Ozzy's death a couple of days later has far bigger cultural significance.
Out of the two bands one is miles ahead in terms of significance to music than the other. The other couldn't crack America.
As a metal fan, I agree that concert holds a major weight - especially considering what happened shortly after. It’s the most emotionally charged metal show in history, and I don’t think I’m letting recency bias influence that.
I feel it’s quite hard to compare with Oasis though. One is a single farewell / tribute show which caters to one genre of music, whilst the other is an enormous reunion tour that had been yearned for 16 years and was on the radar of practically every adult in the country when it was announced.
Both seismic in differing ways. One more in terms of paying tribute to an extremely important musical contribution, and another which is on a different stratosphere from a commercial / celebrity / mainstream perspective (again, in this country).
You sure about that? I live less than 20 miles from Manchester, not a single one of my immediate mates were interested (about 20 altogether, age range between 30 and 60), and I only know two 'acquaintances' who cared enough to get tickets. Estimate I probably know about 200 people up here well enough to call 'acquaintances'.
I'm not saying it's not a big tour. Clearly it is. Just that I think you overestimate their reach a bit.
Whether your mates were interested or not is a different thing from what I was getting at. I'll be amazed if you tell me they had no awareness of it happening. Even if it was a case of "I don't understand all the fuss about Oasis", it was still a news story that was practically inescapable in that week.
I was in a part of the ground nearly opposite Wembley Way, stayed to the end, watched the fireworks and left Wembley at 10.20ish.
I was giving my boy a piggy back as he had hurt his leg so was not going fast.
I left the podium level outside the stadium to head to the roads below, walked around the stadium towards Wembley Way and dodged around a steward to get into the residents only empty walkways of the new apartments that run parallel to Wembley Way. Took me about 10 minutes (including a 5 minute breather) from there to be in the station.
went Saturday was a great concert but the agg getting home i think its my last wembley concert fight on platform people fainting on tube was hard work, only going again if its Charlton or England and its finished by 8pm
We were straight out at 10.20 after Champagne Supernova, on the 10.32 from Stadium station and on the platform at Marylebone at 10.44, and back in Charing X pub just gone 11
we was block 522 so quite near top and took a while to get out, got jubilee to london bridge ,bad choice but went with it as car was at bexleyheath,didnt get to london bridge till 12.10 got 12.34 which i think was last train
I was on the 10.22 from Wembley Stadium Station and home in Bromley by 23.25. I've been banging on about using Wembley Stadium Station for years on here.
How could you leave before the end??
I got a seat in a block closest to the station, so left half way through Champagne Supernova and was on a train in about 4 minutes.
Surely watching end of the gig is more important than being on a train in 4 minutes!
I know it's not all about singles and hits but given a bit of time I could name about 30 memorable Oasis songs and 1 from Black Saabbath. Ok I'm not particularly a heavy metal fan, but I'd back myself to beat 95% of the population in a pop/music quiz.
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I feel it’s quite hard to compare with Oasis though. One is a single farewell / tribute show which caters to one genre of music, whilst the other is an enormous reunion tour that had been yearned for 16 years and was on the radar of practically every adult in the country when it was announced.
Eros Ramazzotti is playing San Siro on 9 June. They never (as far as I am aware) have different artists playing at San Siro on consecutive nights.
It would require the Oasis set teardown, removal of front-of-house and delay towers, dimantling of PA and lighting rigs and the load out of backline and the (huge) video walls; pitch and stadium surface inspection and cleaning; then laying stage decking and rigging towers and installation of main PA and lighting trusses, assembly of video walls and lighting, positioning of backline and props; testing PA and lighting positions; and then soundcheck... all taking place between midnight (after an Oasis gig) and about 6pm, half an hour before gates open.I can't see that happening.
Oasis were part of a wave that lasted a relatively short time, Black Sabbath invented a genre and remained at the pinnacle of it for over 50 years.
That said nobody is going to convince me Black Sabbath had more of a lasting impression on Britain and culture than Oasis did.
Put a Sabbath album track on a pub jukebox followed up by an oasis album track or B side see which one most people recognise
Ok I'm not particularly a heavy metal fan, but I'd back myself to beat 95% of the population in a pop/music quiz.
I've been banging on about using Wembley Stadium Station for years on here.
I'm not saying it's not a big tour. Clearly it is. Just that I think you overestimate their reach a bit.
I left the podium level outside the stadium to head to the roads below, walked around the stadium towards Wembley Way and dodged around a steward to get into the residents only empty walkways of the new apartments that run parallel to Wembley Way. Took me about 10 minutes (including a 5 minute breather) from there to be in the station.
"I left the stadium before they came on and was home before they finished. Result."