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  • sam3110 said:
    Played in a right wing back in a pre-season friendly? 

    I am sure that's where he will play during the season, not because we have played a 5 back all year and are in a transitional state. 

    A 2.5 million pound winger will not be defending for us this season. He will be mainly playing forwards. Ramsay will be his cover and we will play heavy on a single side, very, very common football strategy. 

    Then out of defence we will keep a shape, but he won't be an actual right wing back, as he isn't that player and has never played that role. 
    You type a lot like Ronnie Moore, nothing is "in my opinion" or "I expect" or "I reckon that" everything you type out you present as a statement of fact, and then get defensive or double down when people point out something that's different.

    It's a really weird way to present yourself online, IMO
    To be fair, I'm not sure someone who goes round calling people idiots and generally being mouthy to strangers online has any real ground to stand on here in terms of giving out social advice. Seen you plenty of times be rude to people and act out. 

    If people don't like my views, that's on them, I have said about a million times people interpret texts how they want them, I never have these issues face to face, always online arguments/disagreements (and only on this site in all honesty) where people can't seem to detect tone. 

    I don't go round quoting everything I disagree with and saying "that's wrong" etc. I would have quadruples my posts otherwise. 

    I've said how I believe we will play, if I am wrong and in the season Apter turns into Dumfries good for him, works for me. 
    Well said.
  • edited July 19
    A lopsided 3-5-2 was always JJ favourite with one wing back being more of a winger and the other WB more of a defender. We just didn't have the players to do this when Johnnie Jackson was at CAFC as CBT couldn't defend where at least Small knew Ramsey had his back when he went flying upfield once he was moved to the right.

    JJ getting that unbalanced squad to mid table from 22nd was success in my book.

  • I can't see Apter fulfilling the Small role, he doesn't appear athletic enough.

    I think it will be 343 with TC and Apter either side of a striker, or a 3412 and Apter will play in the 10 or maybe even do what TC does and drift out wide as a striker. 

    I can't see any scenario where he is up and down the right flank all game, I will be surprised if that isn't Ramsay now based on our transfer business so far, or maybe Costello, but I think he will be pairing Coventry in the middle.

  • NabySarr said:
    NabySarr said:
    I can't see Apter fulfilling the Small role, he doesn't appear athletic enough.

    I think it will be 343 with TC and Apter either side of a striker, or a 3412 and Apter will play in the 10 or maybe even do what TC does and drift out wide as a striker. 

    I can't see any scenario where he is up and down the right flank all game, I will be surprised if that isn't Ramsay now based on our transfer business so far, or maybe Costello, but I think he will be pairing Coventry in the middle.
    Interested to know how you came to that conclusion? 

    Last season he was clearly impacting things for Blackpool in the final third. But also defensively on the right of a 4-4-2 he would have been expected to get back into shape so this feels quite similar to what we would be asking him to do in our lopsided formation. If he did it last season then I don’t see a reason why he can’t now. I actually think if you were to put Small’s role last season into a traditional formation it is probably most similar to RM in a 4-4-2

    A big part of our success second half of last season was having a player on the right flank who could go past defenders and attack. We lost that player, but have now signed Apter who has those attributes. I can’t see why he doesn’t just slot in to that role. Ramsay behind him makes a lot of sense, JRC in midfield also makes a lot of sense as he will probably be much better covering from midfield out there than Docherty/Anderson

    I can see us flicking between lopsided 3-5-2 with Apter on the right and the 3-4-2-1 you describe. What I definitely can’t see is Jones deciding to play just 2 central midfielders. His whole managerial career any success has come from packing central areas of the pitch, so a 3-4-3 with 2 wide players in the front 3 I just can’t see him going for that. Maybe a 3-4-2-1 with Apter and Carey behind a striker is our defensive option but I still think a lot of games we will be 3-5-2/4-2-3-1 like last season 

    Would also add that at the start of last season Apter was playing as a wing back in a 3-5-2 so it’s something he has done before, and our wing back role is obviously not a normal one so would suit him more 
    Because I am using my eyes? 

    Look at Small, and then look at Apter. Small is more muscly, more broad and we have seen how tough he is, Apter looks slimmer, quite narrow in frame, and I have read Blackpool fans say he isn't someone who is going to get up and down and may struggle against more physical defenders.

    It appears Apter is on a different level currently to Small in terms of attacking quality (the stats of footage we have seen don't lie), but if we are talking purely from an athletic build and physical strength, Small looks like he would have his number, which is no sly on Apter, Small is very tough for a full back.
    Because he’s bigger doesn’t mean he’s more able to get up and down. Apter got up and down fine last season for Blackpool in their 4-4-2 as I said. And looking at those heat maps backs that up that he’s capable of the demands of that hybrid role Small played last season 
    Yeah we have signed the winger Rob Apter to play right wing back. Ffs. Thankfully Jones is calling the shots and won't waste an out-and-out 2.5 million pounds winger in a defensive hybrid role.  

    Just because he is bigger and more broader yes it does mean he is stronger physically which is what I was alluding to. He has less of an athletic frame, again, I have seen Blackpool fans multiple times highlight how he may find more physical games more difficult where he won't get as much time on the ball.

    Luckily he probably won't be playing the Thierry role of defensive duties as I highly doubt our recruitment team have identified a pure winger to be running up and down busting a gut when we already play with 5 defenders

  • NabySarr said:
    fenaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    I can't see Apter fulfilling the Small role, he doesn't appear athletic enough.

    I think it will be 343 with TC and Apter either side of a striker, or a 3412 and Apter will play in the 10 or maybe even do what TC does and drift out wide as a striker. 

    I can't see any scenario where he is up and down the right flank all game, I will be surprised if that isn't Ramsay now based on our transfer business so far, or maybe Costello, but I think he will be pairing Coventry in the middle.
    Interested to know how you came to that conclusion? 

    Last season he was clearly impacting things for Blackpool in the final third. But also defensively on the right of a 4-4-2 he would have been expected to get back into shape so this feels quite similar to what we would be asking him to do in our lopsided formation. If he did it last season then I don’t see a reason why he can’t now. I actually think if you were to put Small’s role last season into a traditional formation it is probably most similar to RM in a 4-4-2

    A big part of our success second half of last season was having a player on the right flank who could go past defenders and attack. We lost that player, but have now signed Apter who has those attributes. I can’t see why he doesn’t just slot in to that role. Ramsay behind him makes a lot of sense, JRC in midfield also makes a lot of sense as he will probably be much better covering from midfield out there than Docherty/Anderson

    I can see us flicking between lopsided 3-5-2 with Apter on the right and the 3-4-2-1 you describe. What I definitely can’t see is Jones deciding to play just 2 central midfielders. His whole managerial career any success has come from packing central areas of the pitch, so a 3-4-3 with 2 wide players in the front 3 I just can’t see him going for that. Maybe a 3-4-2-1 with Apter and Carey behind a striker is our defensive option but I still think a lot of games we will be 3-5-2/4-2-3-1 like last season 

    Would also add that at the start of last season Apter was playing as a wing back in a 3-5-2 so it’s something he has done before, and our wing back role is obviously not a normal one so would suit him more 
    Because I am using my eyes? 

    Look at Small, and then look at Apter. Small is more muscly, more broad and we have seen how tough he is, Apter looks slimmer, quite narrow in frame, and I have read Blackpool fans say he isn't someone who is not going to get up and down and may struggle against more physical defenders.

    It appears Apter is on a different level currently to Small in terms of attacking quality (the stats of footage we have seen don't lie), but if we are talking purely from an athletic build and physical strength, Small looks like he would have his number.
    Except when Small had a torrid time against him last season
    Yeah I'm not about to start slagging off a new signing to point score beyond what I have said when I actually like the look of him. Just pointing out something extremely obvious. 

    Torrid time is such a Charlton Life exaggeration for the narrative. Christ alive man 😂

    If you think Apter is as athletic as Small, fair enough. 


    No one said he’s as athletic as Small. You said he wasn’t athletic enough to play the Small role. There’s a big difference between those statements 

    That’s where I’d disagree, yes hes not as athletic as Small (not many players are), but he’s played wing back before and looking at his role for Blackpool last season he should be absolutely fine playing the role Small did last season, which is why we’ve signed him imo 
    Yeah, thankfully Nathan Jones is the manager though and will probably play the winger as a winger, not as a wing back. 

    You challenging my view of him not being athletic enough is basically the same thing, cmon, don't play coy. 

    I mean it's likely that he physically will not be able to match strong attackers, Small can and has. That's where my part about athleticism comes from, not that he can run up and down a pitch which I expect any professional footballer be able to do. 

    Do you know how insane it would be to spend 2 and a half million on a winger to make him play as part of a back 5 who has never been succesful there as a professional off of the back of a season playing purely as a winger. (Which is what Small was doing out of possession playing in a back 5)

    Last post on it genuinely cause it sounds like I am digging him out, I think he's going to be quality but only for where I believe Jones will play him. That's that.

  • NabySarr said:
    No need to get on Braziliances case, we are all supporters of the same club (well except for Gisappointed) just giving opinions on a forum.  My gut feeling is that Jones is going to initially go with the same formation at the end of last year with Apter just replacing small.  Apter being the more attacking wingback and Edwards the more defensive with the formation flexing between a traditional 352/532 out of possession and a 4231 in possesion with Ramsey sliding over as cover when Apter pushes forward
    This is exactly what I am trying to say btw and where Small didn't excel in attacking but made up for it with his defensive qualities (yes he was a good defender) Apter will balance that with his attacking ability and Ramsay will cover for him. As will Costello who I can see playing right centre mid and will have the understanding to fill in the gaps.

    A traditional wing back is someone like Hakimi, Dumfries etc who are actual full backs but also thrive in attack/developed, Apter is a winger by trade who will be part of a disciplined formation but will not offer the defensive qualities of a Kayne or Thierry or Edwards. He has been signed for his attacking qualities, not defensive, imo. 

    I also agree with Marcus and think he will be used as a 10 potentially, basically anywhere that allows him to try and create something. 

    A lopsided 532 is extremely different to a standard 532, that's the point I am trying to make.
    That was definitely not the point you were making yesterday. You were saying Ramsy would play wing back and that Apter couldn’t play the Small role 

    Everyone replying to you was saying that Small’s role was basically a winger and that Apter would be fine based on how he played at Blackpool. We were all saying a lopsided 3-5-2 with Apter on the right is how we will play and you were disagreeing. Again, sometimes it’s ok to admit you might have been wrong 
    He can't play the Small role because he isn't as good as a defender as small, and Small doesn't have the attacking quality that Apter appears to have. 

    Everyone? Who is everyone? 'Me and all my 5 Charlton Life mates were disagreeing with you' mur mur mur. 

    Ramsay could play right wing back, absolutely, as he is a defender by trade who has attacking qualities which could develop. 

    Small was 'basically a winger' through necessity, not purposely. 

    I said Apter will not be on defensive duties, and I will stick by that. 

    The beauty of it is I don't even give a shit if I end up being wrong. Been wrong plenty of times, been right plenty of times, that is the nature of being opionated/having strong views and not sitting on the fence. None of it matters outside the Charlton Life bubble.
  • Never change Covered End. 

    All the implications that I spend too much time on here, yet you find the time to scrawl through my posts or find a way to get involved as per 
  • sam3110 said:
    Played in a right wing back in a pre-season friendly? 

    I am sure that's where he will play during the season, not because we have played a 5 back all year and are in a transitional state. 

    A 2.5 million pound winger will not be defending for us this season. He will be mainly playing forwards. Ramsay will be his cover and we will play heavy on a single side, very, very common football strategy. 

    Then out of defence we will keep a shape, but he won't be an actual right wing back, as he isn't that player and has never played that role. 
    You type a lot like Ronnie Moore, nothing is "in my opinion" or "I expect" or "I reckon that" everything you type out you present as a statement of fact, and then get defensive or double down when people point out something that's different.

    It's a really weird way to present yourself online, IMO
    To be fair, I'm not sure someone who goes round calling people idiots and generally being mouthy to strangers online has any real ground to stand on here in terms of giving out social advice. Seen you plenty of times be rude to people and act out. 

    If people don't like my views, that's on them, I have said about a million times people interpret texts how they want them, I never have these issues face to face, always online arguments/disagreements (and only on this site in all honesty) where people can't seem to detect tone. 

    I don't go round quoting everything I disagree with and saying "that's wrong" etc. I would have quadruples my posts otherwise. 

    I've said how I believe we will play, if I am wrong and in the season Apter turns into Dumfries good for him, works for me. 
    Well said.
    Cheers Elf
  • sam3110 said:
    Played in a right wing back in a pre-season friendly? 

    I am sure that's where he will play during the season, not because we have played a 5 back all year and are in a transitional state. 

    A 2.5 million pound winger will not be defending for us this season. He will be mainly playing forwards. Ramsay will be his cover and we will play heavy on a single side, very, very common football strategy. 

    Then out of defence we will keep a shape, but he won't be an actual right wing back, as he isn't that player and has never played that role. 
    You type a lot like Ronnie Moore, nothing is "in my opinion" or "I expect" or "I reckon that" everything you type out you present as a statement of fact, and then get defensive or double down when people point out something that's different.

    It's a really weird way to present yourself online, IMO
    A lot of this post is incorrect.
    Oop here comes the cavalry 
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  • Sometimes I forget what a... special... bunch we can be. Thanks for this thread reminding me.
  • edited July 19

  • Hard to judge much on today, although there was a moment when Apter had two of their guys on him, and one of them clearly pulled his shirt, and a moment later the ref gave them a free kick for retaliatory shirt pulling by Apter.
    So in that tiny piece of play it took two guys to deal with Apter and he didn't seen to mind about mixing it.
  • Bleddy 'ell, why are people squabbling?

    We each see things differently - but we all support the same team, don' t we? 
  • Apparently I don't.
  • Never change Covered End. 

    All the implications that I spend too much time on here, yet you find the time to scrawl through my posts or find a way to get involved as per 
    This reads as though me quoting your posts proves you wrong.

    I was expecting a thank you for proving you right. Ok not really, you are clearly contradicting yourself.

    I think the issue may be that in your endless stream of posts you can’t even remember what you said, but others do.

    A polite suggestion would be to try talking to people and not at them.

    The incessant disagreements with everyone that has a different opinion to you is thoroughly draining.

    Yes I should try harder to not read your non stop posts, but it is no easy task when you want to dominate so many discussions.

    Maybe consider letting other people express their opinions without effectively telling them they are all wrong and you know more than everyone else combined as this is clearly not the case.
    I remember everything I have said more or less on here, people will always try and twist things up to fit their narrative though, that is the nature of online messaging. 

    You find my disagreements draining, yet here you are, again, involving yourself without prompt. Find me a time where I have quoted you unprompted, I bet you will struggle. 

    Dominate so many discussions? I think I post on about 4 different threads on here consistently and again, I very rarely actually quote people and start arguments, I think you'll find most of the time it is people quoting me. Of course I'll say this now and some clever sod will say something like "everyone looks at me" which has been done before when it's just the truth. 

    Again without being rude, I am not about to start taking social lessons off of someone who is proactive. Haven't you in the past accused me of enjoying Charlton losing so my videos are more interesting or alluded to it? Did you also not flag up what time I was logging in? Did you also not try an insinuate I have no life and that I am always on here? 

    You can drop the nice guy and condescending act, you purposely try and goad me, consistently. 

    I'll continue posting how I post ta, if you don't like it, just carry on as is, I'm certainly not gonna go around mass quoting you to try and be funny. 
  • edited July 19
    jose said:
    Hard to judge much on today, although there was a moment when Apter had two of their guys on him, and one of them clearly pulled his shirt, and a moment later the ref gave them a free kick for retaliatory shirt pulling by Apter.
    So in that tiny piece of play it took two guys to deal with Apter and he didn't seen to mind about mixing it.

    Thierry use to have two defenders marking at times or 3 on one occasion when he nearly scored the goal of the season 1st half against Lincoln when TC was absent so hopefully we have enough quality for other players to utilise the space. If Apted end up as the player who goes pass defenders he will have the same tight marking and Championship defenders will soon know he cuts in on his favoured left foot.

    Sounds a good prospect as long as we aren't too negative and he can do his best work in the final third.

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  • jose said:
    Hard to judge much on today, although there was a moment when Apter had two of their guys on him, and one of them clearly pulled his shirt, and a moment later the ref gave them a free kick for retaliatory shirt pulling by Apter.
    So in that tiny piece of play it took two guys to deal with Apter and he didn't seen to mind about mixing it.

    Thierry use to have two defenders marking at times or 3 on one occasion when he nearly scored the goal of the season 1st half against Lincoln when TC was absent so hopefully we have enough quality for other players to utilise the space. If Apted end up as the player who goes pass defenders he will have the same tight marking and Championship defenders will soon know he cuts in on his favoured left foot.

    Sounds a good prospect as long as we aren't too negative and he can do his best work in the final third.

    I imagine the idea will be that the forward line will be fairly interchangeable - you can double up on Apter but then you risk giving the likes of TC, Olaofe, Godden, Leaburn etc more space. Or if you drop deeper instead you give room for Apter to cut inside etc etc.

    Essentially make it a catch 22 situation for defences.
  • sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Played in a right wing back in a pre-season friendly? 

    I am sure that's where he will play during the season, not because we have played a 5 back all year and are in a transitional state. 

    A 2.5 million pound winger will not be defending for us this season. He will be mainly playing forwards. Ramsay will be his cover and we will play heavy on a single side, very, very common football strategy. 

    Then out of defence we will keep a shape, but he won't be an actual right wing back, as he isn't that player and has never played that role. 
    You type a lot like Ronnie Moore, nothing is "in my opinion" or "I expect" or "I reckon that" everything you type out you present as a statement of fact, and then get defensive or double down when people point out something that's different.

    It's a really weird way to present yourself online, IMO
    A lot of this post is incorrect.
    Oop here comes the cavalry 
    How is that?
  • edited July 19
    Mikeyf10 said:
    What formation do all of you think we will play next season personally don’t see it changing I think we will remain with the 352 then transition into the 4231/433 in attack with apter on the right hand side.
    I think we will all line up in facing the opposition and when the referee blows his whistle thing, we will all run as fast as we can with the ball, and try and get it into the oppositions net as many times as we can, and in the second half we will turn round, so will the opposition, and we will do the same thing again...
    But at all times we must make sure the opposition don't get the ball into our net...Do I pass the test...😉
  • edited July 19
    Never change Covered End. 

    All the implications that I spend too much time on here, yet you find the time to scrawl through my posts or find a way to get involved as per 
    This reads as though me quoting your posts proves you wrong.

    I was expecting a thank you for proving you right. Ok not really, you are clearly contradicting yourself.

    I think the issue may be that in your endless stream of posts you can’t even remember what you said, but others do.

    A polite suggestion would be to try talking to people and not at them.

    The incessant disagreements with everyone that has a different opinion to you is thoroughly draining.

    Yes I should try harder to not read your non stop posts, but it is no easy task when you want to dominate so many discussions.

    Maybe consider letting other people express their opinions without effectively telling them they are all wrong and you know more than everyone else combined as this is clearly not the case.
    Haven't you in the past accused me of enjoying Charlton losing so my videos are more interesting or alluded to it?
    I don’t recall doing so and would be surprised if I did.

    I gave up watching your vlogs a long time ago.

    I just think most people would be like to be allowed to express their opinions without you telling them your opinion over and over all day and through the night.

    All I am saying is give peeps a chance.
    Apologies to everyone else.
    Glad you didn't deny the rest of the stuff, and I believe you did, along with someone else. 

    You and someone else said "he prefers it when we lose for his vlogs" or something like that. Unless I am getting mixed up and if I am apologies, but whoever those two were, they can do one* on that note.

    Everyone is allowed to express their opinion, who says otherwise?  Like I said, good luck finding posts of me denying people their opinion unprompted, or trying to pick on someone, or any other playground antics I see on this forum constantly.

    I genuinely don't understand the last part. I am very approachable, talk to everyone who speaks to me and make an effort to socialise at games. So I don't know what this chance is. At a default level I like every single Charlton fan and start off with 100% respect towards people.

    I just know how to speak up for myself unlike RonnieMoore as an example who gets pelters and essentially is online bullied. If people don't like that, I'm not gonna lose too much sleep over it. 
  • Apologies to everyone.
    I was trying to reduce the constant disagreements, but have only succeeded in making it worse.
  • Mikeyf10 said:
    What formation do all of you think we will play 
    I think we will all line up in facing the opposition and when the referee blows his whistle thing, we will all run as fast as we can with the ball, and try and get it into the oppositions net as many times as we can, and in the second half we will turn round, so will the opposition, and we will do the same thing again...
    But at all times we must make sure the opposition don't get the ball into our net...Do I pass the test...😉
    Perhaps we should adopt the comet formation from the school playground. The fastest one at the front running after the ball wherever it goes, with everyone else forming a tail behind him 
  • Mikeyf10 said:
    What formation do all of you think we will play 
    I think we will all line up in facing the opposition and when the referee blows his whistle thing, we will all run as fast as we can with the ball, and try and get it into the oppositions net as many times as we can, and in the second half we will turn round, so will the opposition, and we will do the same thing again...
    But at all times we must make sure the opposition don't get the ball into our net...Do I pass the test...😉
    Perhaps we should adopt the comet formation from the school playground. The fastest one at the front running after the ball wherever it goes, with everyone else forming a tail behind him 
    Yeah, maybe that could be plan B…🤔
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