I don't get how they can say the fixture list is mostly random etc and yet it constantly throws out promoted Vs relegated teams on the first game of the season...
Constantly? Were Watford in the Premier League last season?
Four of the new teams in the Championship this season facing off against each other, that's not "luck of the draw"!!
Same in League One with Luton vs Wimbledon... Its a common theme over previous seasons as well
The probability of there being at least one match on the opening day of fixtures in a 24-team league is a promoted team v a relegated team is 51.5%. In other words, it would be more likely to happen than not.
However, it's not completely random. Certain fixtures are restricted from being on the opening day of the season, e.g. local derbies. So, when there are derbies excluded from the possible opening fixtures, that 51.5% is increased, slightly.
Why can’t local derbies be on the opening day?
They can. It's an example of some certain fixtures that the requirements of the police are taken into account.
Then I don’t get it in this context.
Why would the police say no to a derby that happens to be on the opening day of the season to make your maths work?
What real world constraints exist with local derbies beyond perhaps adjusting the kick off time?
Again I’m challenging in the context of your analysis on likelihood of certain matches cropping up.
If it's totally random, then the chances of one or more relegated v promoted matches on the first weekend of the season is 51.5%. Therefore it's more likely than not.
However, it's not totally random. There are outside influences that dictate some matches, for example local derbies, don't take place at certain times of year, for example, when there's a higher proportion of police on leave.
So, in the case of Charlton, if there police place this restriction on the EFL (and I don't know whether they have), then there Charlton have three relegated clubs they could play on the first weekend of the season or eighteen others. If there were no such restriction, the numbers would be three and twenty.
So, in answer to both your questions, the Met might want to avoid derbies when there is a higher proportion of police on leave.
I would be very surprised if that is a real constraint and an active dictat to prohibit a derby in early August.
The one I could see is anything across late August bank holiday with the Notting Hill Carnival. That is a huge met police no no for leave requests.
I don't get how they can say the fixture list is mostly random etc and yet it constantly throws out promoted Vs relegated teams on the first game of the season...
Constantly? Were Watford in the Premier League last season?
Four of the new teams in the Championship this season facing off against each other, that's not "luck of the draw"!!
Same in League One with Luton vs Wimbledon... Its a common theme over previous seasons as well
The probability of there being at least one match on the opening day of fixtures in a 24-team league is a promoted team v a relegated team is 51.5%. In other words, it would be more likely to happen than not.
However, it's not completely random. Certain fixtures are restricted from being on the opening day of the season, e.g. local derbies. So, when there are derbies excluded from the possible opening fixtures, that 51.5% is increased, slightly.
Why can’t local derbies be on the opening day?
They can. It's an example of some certain fixtures that the requirements of the police are taken into account.
Then I don’t get it in this context.
Why would the police say no to a derby that happens to be on the opening day of the season to make your maths work?
What real world constraints exist with local derbies beyond perhaps adjusting the kick off time?
Again I’m challenging in the context of your analysis on likelihood of certain matches cropping up.
If it's totally random, then the chances of one or more relegated v promoted matches on the first weekend of the season is 51.5%. Therefore it's more likely than not.
However, it's not totally random. There are outside influences that dictate some matches, for example local derbies, don't take place at certain times of year, for example, when there's a higher proportion of police on leave.
So, in the case of Charlton, if there police place this restriction on the EFL (and I don't know whether they have), then there Charlton have three relegated clubs they could play on the first weekend of the season or eighteen others. If there were no such restriction, the numbers would be three and twenty.
So, in answer to both your questions, the Met might want to avoid derbies when there is a higher proportion of police on leave.
I would be very surprised if that is a real constraint and an active dictat to prohibit a derby in early August.
The one I could see is anything across late August bank holiday with the Notting Hill Carnival. That is a huge met police no no for leave requests.
So that’s new information to me. First I’ve ever heard of it. The key bit being:
The opening day is considered a key date – along with Boxing Day, New Year's Day and the final day. We try to avoid local fixtures on these dates to allow clubs to minimise costs. Doing so helps to keep the profile of the fixture down, so the police categorisation, and therefore cost, is relatively low. Clubs prefer to avoid local derbies on key dates because they will be well attended regardless of when they are played.
I don't get how they can say the fixture list is mostly random etc and yet it constantly throws out promoted Vs relegated teams on the first game of the season...
Constantly? Were Watford in the Premier League last season?
So to try and prove a point you pick the one fixture that shows me wrong and ignore the fact both Wrexham and Birmingham are playing teams relegated this season, and Luton are playing AFC Wimbledon in League 1? Ok
The one fixture?
In League One, you picked the one out of 3 yourself. Cardiff and Plymouth aren’t playing promoted teams.
A good example is that I'm sure it's not just a coincidence we play Pompey at home on 6th Dec, and has been the nearest game to 5th Dec in previous seasons too.
A good example is that I'm sure it's not just a coincidence we play Pompey at home on 6th Dec, and has been the nearest game to 5th Dec in previous seasons too.
I believe that clubs can make certain requests regards fixtures.
A good example is that I'm sure it's not just a coincidence we play Pompey at home on 6th Dec, and has been the nearest game to 5th Dec in previous seasons too.
I believe that clubs can make certain requests regards fixtures.
In that case we should request to not play Millwall and play Hull 4 times instead.
Aren’t half the matches on Tuesday and half on Wednesday intentionally for Sky though? Would they move a Tuesday match to Wednesday ? I suppose they could swap two around. They do like to complicate things.
Aren’t half the matches on Tuesday and half on Wednesday intentionally for Sky though? Would they move a Tuesday match to Wednesday ? I suppose they could swap two around. They do like to complicate things.
In theory I think you’re right but I wouldn’t bank on Sky being that sensible
Sky Sports' EFL broadcast selections for the period up until September 27th have now been confirmed ahead of the Addicks' upcoming Sky Bet Championship campaign.
The Addick’s home games against Leicester City and Millwall have been selected for broadcast on Sky Sports Football and will now kick-off at 12.30pm.
Away fixture against Queens Park Rangers on Saturday, August 30th will also kick-off at 12.30pm having been selected for broadcast on Sky Sports+.
A confirmed list of the Addicks' Sky Bet Championship fixtures up until September 27th can be found below:
Saturday, August 9th: Watford (h) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports+
Saturday, August 16th: Bristol City (a) - KO 3pm BST
Saturday, August 23rd: Leicester City (h) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports Football
Saturday, August 30th: Queens Park Rangers (a) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports+
Saturday, September 6th - International Date
Saturday, September 13th: Millwall (h) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports Football
Saturday, September 20th: Sheffield United (a) - KO 3pm BST
Saturday, September 27th: Blackburn Rovers (h) - KO 3pm BST
So basically first three home game are at 12:30, with Bristol City being the only 3pm kick off in the first five games.
I don't know if we should be flattered by this, why Sky sports thinks we are that worthy of 3 home game at the beginning of the season is beyond me. At least it gives us time to make a move for promotion before taking more interest than ever done before.
Surely 2 of those games are at police request rather just Sky? Can see them wanting both Millwall and QPR games played early to avoid too much boozing creating issues (not that I agree or think there would be any, particularly at QPR)
I would rather we played at 3pm, time to get rid of the 3pm blackout it means absolutley nothing especially as 30-40% of games are not at 3pm anyway. 1230 games are a pain in the arse to get to, the atmosphere is normally crap. No time for a couple of drinks in pub beforehand.
Also not just from my own circumstances I'm sure a lot of others are in the same boat, my 10 year old plays on Saturdays so whenever there is a 1230 game he has to miss out on Charlton, it's gutting for him.
Surely 2 of those games are at police request rather just Sky? Can see them wanting both Millwall and QPR games played early to avoid too much boozing creating issues (not that I agree or think there would be any, particularly at QPR)
The QPR fixture has never been an issue in the past, so that one is purely down to Sky.
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The opening day is considered a key date – along with Boxing Day, New Year's Day and the final day. We try to avoid local fixtures on these dates to allow clubs to minimise costs. Doing so helps to keep the profile of the fixture down, so the police categorisation, and therefore cost, is relatively low. Clubs prefer to avoid local derbies on key dates because they will be well attended regardless of when they are played.
So every day is a school day it seems.
The one fixture?
In League One, you picked the one out of 3 yourself. Cardiff and Plymouth aren’t playing promoted teams.
To be frank, you’re talking bollox.
I believe that clubs can make certain requests regards fixtures.
to confirm our Sheffield Wednesday match in October is on the Saturday I see that I have to wait until the end of July.
Isn’t it unlikely (or rather impossible) to be moved to Sunday or Monday because we’ré playing also on the following Tuesday?
What do Sky do about weekend fixtures when teams are also playing midweek?
They do like to complicate things.
Sky Sports' EFL broadcast selections for the period up until September 27th have now been confirmed ahead of the Addicks' upcoming Sky Bet Championship campaign.
The Addick’s home games against Leicester City and Millwall have been selected for broadcast on Sky Sports Football and will now kick-off at 12.30pm.
Away fixture against Queens Park Rangers on Saturday, August 30th will also kick-off at 12.30pm having been selected for broadcast on Sky Sports+.
A confirmed list of the Addicks' Sky Bet Championship fixtures up until September 27th can be found below:
Saturday, August 9th: Watford (h) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports+
Saturday, August 16th: Bristol City (a) - KO 3pm BST
Saturday, August 23rd: Leicester City (h) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports Football
Saturday, August 30th: Queens Park Rangers (a) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports+
Saturday, September 6th - International Date
Saturday, September 13th: Millwall (h) - KO 12.30pm BST - Sky Sports Football
Saturday, September 20th: Sheffield United (a) - KO 3pm BST
Saturday, September 27th: Blackburn Rovers (h) - KO 3pm BST
So basically first three home game are at 12:30, with Bristol City being the only 3pm kick off in the first five games.
(Full Article in the link)
No 3pm home game until the end of September
Oh wait these are Saturdays.
FFS, thats my bloody Saturday lunch ruined!
Would you rather be playing Burton and Mansfield in league one at 3pm or Leicester and Millwall in the championship at 12.30?
It's the amount of games that are not 3pm on a Saturday that reflects on season ticket sales.
Too easy to watch at home on the Red button
Also not just from my own circumstances I'm sure a lot of others are in the same boat, my 10 year old plays on Saturdays so whenever there is a 1230 game he has to miss out on Charlton, it's gutting for him.
Live selections after opening weekends...
Saturday August 9
Peterborough vs Luton - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Reading vs Huddersfield - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Tranmere vs Shrewsbury - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Notts County vs Salford - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Saturday August 16
Wrexham vs West Brom - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Derby vs Coventry - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Portsmouth vs Norwich - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Burton vs Port Vale - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Exeter vs Mansfield - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Chesterfield vs Bristol Rovers - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Oldham vs Swindon - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Wolves vs Manchester City - Premier League, kick-off 5.30pm
Sunday August 17
Ipswich vs Southampton - Championship, kick-off 12pm
Tuesday August 19
Walsall vs Grimsby - League Two, kick-off 8pm
Wednesday August 20
Bolton vs Reading - League One, kick-off 8pm
Friday August 22
Derby vs Bristol City - Championship, kick-off 8pm
Saturday August 23
Charlton vs Leicester - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Swansea vs Watford - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Hull vs Blackburn - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Luton vs Cardiff - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Rotherham vs Wigan - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Walsall vs Salford - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Newport vs MK Dons - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Friday August 29
Leicester vs Birmingham - Championship, kick-off 8pm
Saturday August 30
Middlesbrough vs Sheffield United - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
QPR vs Charlton - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Stoke vs West Brom - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Doncaster vs Rotherham - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Cardiff vs Plymouth - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Crewe vs Swindon - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Barrow vs Fleetwood - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Saturday September 6
Newport vs Bristol Rovers - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Bromley vs Gillingham - League Two, kick-off 5.30pm
Friday September 12
Ipswich vs Sheffield United - Championship, kick-off 8pm
Saturday September 13
Charlton vs Millwall - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Oxford vs Leicester - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Preston vs Middlesbrough - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Bradford vs Huddersfield - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Northampton vs Blackpool - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Accrington vs Colchester - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Crawley vs Cheltenham - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Sunday September 14
Southampton vs Portsmouth - Championship, kick-off 12pm
Saturday September 20
Leicester vs Coventry - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
QPR vs Stoke - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Birmingham vs Swansea - Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Lincoln vs Luton - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Blackpool vs Barnsley - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Cambridge vs Fleetwood - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Harrogate vs Shrewsbury - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Monday September 22
Millwall vs Watford - Championship, kick-off 8pm
Friday September 26
West Brom vs Leicester - Championship, kick-off 8pm
Saturday September 27
Coventry vs Birmingham- Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Swansea vs Millwall- Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
Wrexham vs Derby- Championship, kick-off 12.30pm
AFC Wimbledon vs Wycombe - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Leyton Orient vs Stevenage - League One, kick-off 12.30pm
Oldham vs Barnet - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
Crewe vs Notts County - League Two, kick-off 12.30pm
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13157701/live-efl-2024-25-fixtures-on-sky-sports-championship-league-one-league-two-games-dates-kick-off-times