Nuclear War and all that jazz

Oggy Red said:

Gribbo said:

DamoNorthStand said:

If there is a nuclear wipeout, you can guarantee we will be 4-0 up away at Millwall with 5 minutes to go when it happens.

What a way to go though 

What, and be denied bragging rights over the Scum for the first time in more than 30 years....? 

Plenty of time in Valhalla

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

Have you looked around Camden Market, there’s a great selection there. 

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 

Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.

And of the world is 13th September or 24th jan

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 

Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.

Lots of disgraceful MOD shenanigans historically. My dad was in the Royal Navy as a young man. He died aged 66 from Mesothelioma. A disease more commonly known as asbestosis. He was exposed to the asbestos while serving on board various ships over his service. The pipes and parts of the ships were lagged with it as a fire retardant. The ships were full of the dust from it. Had he been exposed in a factory or in any industry my mum could have sued and claimed significant compensation for his death. Not as a sailor though. You can’t sue The Crown. As a widow she gets a small top up on her state pension. Still makes me mad now after 25 years.

A lot of the gaskets we made and replaced were asbestos based, plus we used to manufacture our own ferobestos strips for the missile hoists. Lots of people on ticking time bombs.

DaveMehmet said:

golfaddick said:

Well it ain't going to happen so you can carry on about your day. Read on another forum someone was going to blow everything, max out their credit cards & have a final swansong. Advice there was to not be so stupid, otherwise in 6 months time the bailiffs would he knocking on your door & you'd be up shit creek. 

As the mug & t-shirt say.... ..keep calm & carry on. 

Bollocks, I’ve just shagged Jenny from accounts as I thought the end was imminent. I’m going to have trouble explaining this to the wife. 

At least it ain't Rachel from accounts, who's shagged majority of us......


😉

Chippycafc said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

That’s outrageous. Serious question Chips. Do you glow in the dark ? 

Not yet mate...but good to see the above thinks it funny (and his obnoxious supporter) about people dying from cancer.  Particularly on a forum when one of our own has just died from the dreadful decease.

Wow. There’s a twisted leap and a half. 

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 

McBobbin said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 

Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent

Chippycafc said:

McBobbin said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 

Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent

Where do you draw the line though mate ? Times were different then. In the 70’s and 80’s I worked in Woolwich Arsenal and it was openly recognised that some of the chemicals used in some of the explosives were very carcinogenic and to be fair they did give us suits etc to wear but many didn’t bother I often wonder how many people have departed early

AndyG said:

Chippycafc said:

McBobbin said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 

Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent

Where do you draw the line though mate ? Times were different then. In the 70’s and 80’s I worked in Woolwich Arsenal and it was openly recognised that some of the chemicals used in some of the explosives were very carcinogenic and to be fair they did give us suits etc to wear but many didn’t bother I often wonder how many people have departed early

You draw the line for taking responsibility for due care for your employees. The HASAW act (1974) was around then. Many companies including the MOD failed to follow recommendations in that act. principally due to the cost.

Many and i agree short cut the provision of PPE and approved processes, but that doesn't stop the employer being accountable for their actions.

We recently had a case here where a guy lost 50% of his compensation where something hit him on his head falling from a gantry. He wasn't wearing a hard hat in a mandatory hard hat area., lucky to be alive, as it glanced from his head.

If a person or country is in a suicidal frame of mind, or feels they have their back against the wall, then they will use nuclear weapons if they have them.
Mutually assured destruction doesn’t matter in that instance.
I don’t believe there is such a thing as a battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon, maybe somebody can point to the situation where they certainly exist.

SporadicAddick said:

jose said:

If a person or country is in a suicidal frame of mind, or feels they have their back against the wall, then they will use nuclear weapons if they have them.
Mutually assured destruction doesn’t matter in that instance.
I don’t believe there is such a thing as a battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon, maybe somebody can point to the situation where they certainly exist.

Google “battlefield or tactical nuclear weapon”.

Yeah I did that.
According to the internet the UK has them.
What I read said this:

‘Trident is designed to be a deterrent weapon of last resort. The UK maintains a single submarine at sea at all times, which carries about 40 warheads, each with the destructive power of about six times the 15-kiloton (kt) Hiroshima bomb. The weapons are only to be used in the highly unlikely scenario where a surprise, all-out nuclear attack destroys the UK and its way of life. In theory, the weapons on a Trident submarine have the destructive power to destroy major cities such as Moscow or Beijing, and so act as a deterrent.’

I found this article from ‘Scientific American’

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/limited-tactical-nuclear-weapons-would-be-catastrophic/

Essentially it seems to be about degrees of destructive power.
I reads like enough to destroy the planet, up to enough to destroy the planet hundreds of times over.

One part of the argument seems to be that if people think they can use nuclear weapons in a ‘limited’ way, then there will be more temptation to use them.

ShootersHillGuru said:

Chippycafc said:

McBobbin said:

Chippycafc said:

On a different note. Its been disgraceful how all governments and the MOD have treated the atomic test veterans. They will eventually all be dead soon and they wont have to worry about it.

I was a dockyard apprentice/fitter and worked on nuclear subs, all my records have mysteriously disappeared from that period of time 76-83

There was something on the TV about that, a couple of vets and the disabled son of a vet campaigning... They had been denied all theiredical records as well, just and obvious cover up that could be resolved. Complete disgrace 

Totally agree and sensible comment at last....some went missing in the mid 80's as this guy below who i was a fitter with. Glad he won his case, but it took him years to win it.

I hope the MOD finally get round to compensating others. After all they are considering reparation money for something that happened thousands of years ago, i am sure they can cough up money for veterans.

Cancer linked to radiation, MoD admits: Heather Mills reports on a former submarine worker's claim for pounds 250,000 | The Independent | The Independent

Interesting development so thanks for the link. As I previously posted my dad died of an industrial disease (mesothelioma) when he was exposed to asbestos dust while serving in the RN. My mum wasn’t able to sue the RN as you can’t sue the Crown. Perhaps this persons claim is because he was a civilian worker. As I said interesting.

He was a fitter just like me and was a civil servant. he went from a being a fun guy to work with to being very moody over a few months. Then someone said get yourself checked out, then they discovered he had leukaemia. 

He worked in the reactor compartment of the sub. When they removed the reactor it used to go away (to sellafield I think for re-processing) and it used to sit outside out rest cabin for days on a special adapted railway carrier. We used to duck round it as it was quicker to do that than go round it. The stainless steel cooling pipes used to just sit on the dockside before removal. We often queried this but they used to say its fine as it hadn't been in contact with the core...mmm.

As you know where i work, we used to have whole body monitoring on a yearly basis that measured your yearly and lifetime dose, they have stopped doing it now, as they reckon they have other means of checking your exposure based on other equipment you use when visiting certain area's. A backward step in my view.