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Thierry Small - signed a 4 year deal with Preston (p36)
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Croydon said:
Both did very well against lower league one opposition, both were kept quiet by the better sides in the league.SouthLincsAddick said:
Did you see many games this season? Him and Campbell terrorised defenders post December. This denial he was ever any good sounds like post break up comforting.arny23394 said:Describing Small as a cheat code is absolutely hilarious/insane.
Both will continue to develop but neither are anywhere near a 'cheat code' currently.Are we arguing over semantics. The team’s form from December was incredible. If it had been sustained over the whole season it would have guaranteed automatic promotion. I’m surprised you can’t see Campbell’s and Small’s contribution against the better teams in the league. They were often double marked by those teams to contain them, nullifying the opponents midfield. It wasn’t only our defence that contributed to one of the best records against the top six teams, it was the potential attacking threat too, mostly coming from the flanks. I’d argue that Small was better at coping with being double marked than Campbell.1 -
He played as a wing back , without much midfield creativity . He put teams on the back foot and gave us width on both sides . Not sure him not Campbell can be judged on goals and assists .Dazzler21 said:I liked Small, probably one of my favourite players but as the season went on his indecisiveness when running at teams wasted opportunity after opportunity.
Same goes for Campbell, but Campbell created more good opportunities. They only got 4 assists between them.
For the stat nerds out there:
Tyreece Campbell boasts 44 appearances, 3277 minutes played, and 6 goals, while Thierry Small has 39 appearances, 2863 minutes played, and 2 goals, according to Opta Analyst. Campbell also has an xG (expected goals) of 3.2, compared to Small's 2.9, suggesting a slightly higher goal-scoring chance based on his play,
He undoubtedly needs replacing, but I don't think his 3 assists and 2 goals will be too difficult to replace.5 -
Great to watch, got you out of your seat, but his decision making wasn't great. Sometimes he tried too many tricks, and it's telling, that the goals he scored were with his wrong foot...
His pace will be hard to replace. But no man is bigger than the club...1 -
Exactly when when tried playing the other way earlier in the season we were awful to watch and easy to play against with hardly any attacking threat it was the coming of small,Campbell and Godden that made us more potent as a team.wmcf123 said:
He played as a wing back , without much midfield creativity . He put teams on the back foot and gave us width on both sides . Not sure him not Campbell can be judged on goals and assists .Dazzler21 said:I liked Small, probably one of my favourite players but as the season went on his indecisiveness when running at teams wasted opportunity after opportunity.
Same goes for Campbell, but Campbell created more good opportunities. They only got 4 assists between them.
For the stat nerds out there:
Tyreece Campbell boasts 44 appearances, 3277 minutes played, and 6 goals, while Thierry Small has 39 appearances, 2863 minutes played, and 2 goals, according to Opta Analyst. Campbell also has an xG (expected goals) of 3.2, compared to Small's 2.9, suggesting a slightly higher goal-scoring chance based on his play,
He undoubtedly needs replacing, but I don't think his 3 assists and 2 goals will be too difficult to replace.2 -
I'd think that.Danny Addick said:
What do we surmise “he felt Preston was a better fit for him” meant? In terms of football? Money?AFKABartram said:Manager Nathan Jones said: "We wish Thierry all the best. We tried to keep him at the club and offered him a contract, which he turned down. He felt Preston was a better fit for him, so we thank him for his contribution and wish him well."That reads pretty cold to me and not someone we were particularly fighting hard for.
Perhaps Jones rated him and wanted to keep him, but was not prepared to pay the wages that Preston apparently are giving him.
Good luck to the fella.0 -
If the average wage is 10k a week in the Championship I fear we'll fall short on that figure unless we bring in a load of free/loan transfers.se9addick said:eaststandmike said:Shame to see a young, developing player leave but I don’t think we will struggle to replace him.
As exciting as he could be the end product wasn’t evident yet, so maybe Preston will get the best out of him
Personally he was one of the players on my list who I think will struggle against Championship defenses so I am not overly concerned
I’m surprised at how many people think he will struggle in the Championship. On this thread https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/97357/8-8-8#latest I didn’t see too many people disagreeing that he was an “Elite” player (or whatever the silly terminology is) but a player moving to another team can have that kind of revisionary effect.
In reality I think the vast majority of Charlton fans would have wanted to keep him, if he had signed a 3 year deal I’m sure he would have been in our starting XI on the first day of the season and I do think it’s concerning what this says about our ability to compete against even the smallest teams in this league.0 -
Paying £11,000 a week over four years for a 20-year-old who, let’s be honest, has shown erratic form and whose stats reflect that, does not currently represent good value for Charlton. I struggle to understand why some people don't see that. Furthermore, there's the question of whether Nathan Jones and the player himself are aligned in their footballing views.It is unfortunate he didn’t sign and go on to have a strong season, especially now that we’re in the Championship—where a standout player can significantly increase their market value. Take Ramsey, for example: if he performs as well as he did last season, his value will rise considerably.In my opinion, Small is replaceable (3 assists 2 goals, whereas replacing someone like Ramsey would be extremely difficult to replace.4
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Considering the likes of Swansea, Millwall, Preston,QPR are spending c£25m on wages, suggests the average is much higher than £10k. Certainly in terms of for first teamers.ElfsborgAddick said:
If the average wage is 10k a week in the Championship I fear we'll fall short on that figure unless we bring in a load of free/loan transfers.se9addick said:eaststandmike said:Shame to see a young, developing player leave but I don’t think we will struggle to replace him.
As exciting as he could be the end product wasn’t evident yet, so maybe Preston will get the best out of him
Personally he was one of the players on my list who I think will struggle against Championship defenses so I am not overly concerned
I’m surprised at how many people think he will struggle in the Championship. On this thread https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/97357/8-8-8#latest I didn’t see too many people disagreeing that he was an “Elite” player (or whatever the silly terminology is) but a player moving to another team can have that kind of revisionary effect.
In reality I think the vast majority of Charlton fans would have wanted to keep him, if he had signed a 3 year deal I’m sure he would have been in our starting XI on the first day of the season and I do think it’s concerning what this says about our ability to compete against even the smallest teams in this league.1 -
I would say the quality of life in the North is better than London.Woodwork said:
Having lived Ooop north, I can see why northerners hate southerners with this boring ‘the entire north is a shithole’ nonsense. That was my point.arny23394 said:
You do know nice villages aren’t exclusively a northern thing.Woodwork said:
Or a really nice house in a beautiful Lancashire village, without a Greggs, vape shop, or Nandos in sight… like I said.BigDiddy said:
He could buy up half of Burnley - who cares ?Woodwork said:RaplhMilne said:Preston….. Hmmm…. Like Living in Sandbanks and choosing to go to Clacton for your Holidays.Can’t, see him following in the Yann May or Taylor history of leavers we talk about years later.The southeast is overcrowded & full of ‘me, me, me’ wankers. On £520k a year, I am sure if he wanted to, he could buy a lovely house in a lovely Lancashire village with lots of character and charm.The southeast is overcrowded & blotted with shitholes like Chatham, Luton etc. Even affluent areas can be oppressive, as often spiralling suburbia.There are nice and crap areas everywhere. A footballer on £500k a year won’t worry that a move ooop north will mean they’ll be swapping their swanky town house in Mayfair (I assume that is where ALL London footballers live in this troupe) for a bedsit above a vape shop on Preston High Street.
Your accommodation for a start.1 -
Certainly taking the overall package into account.Redhenry said:
So, a young player who has just played a whole season and been promoted, signs for u on a free for less than the average wage? Mate you are wide of the mark. My guess would be 12 to 14. That’s the main reason for him leaving for a smaller clubNorthEnder said:
Our average wage for playing staff was just shy of £10k a week. I’d imagine he’s around the £8k a week mark. Just a guess.NabySarr said:
10k a week would make Small our highest earner, he is not our best player so we may have decided he’s not worth thatSELR_addicks said:Is it considered 'chasing the money' when you're getting a pretty average Championship salary at the level you're now at?
If we offered less, surely if anything that's below the going rate and we've made that decision based on how we value him.
Preston have been at this level a lot longer, 10k a week is probably about average or just above in their squad.I think we will pay players that kind of money, but they are going to be our best players0 - Sponsored links:
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I think this is what it’s come down to. We probably can pay £10k a week, if not close to it, now we’re in the Championship.scabbyhorse said:Paying £11,000 a week over four years for a 20-year-old who, let’s be honest, has shown erratic form and whose stats reflect that, does not currently represent good value for Charlton. I struggle to understand why some people don't see that. Furthermore, there's the question of whether Nathan Jones and the player himself are aligned in their footballing views.It is unfortunate he didn’t sign and go on to have a strong season, especially now that we’re in the Championship—where a standout player can significantly increase their market value. Take Ramsey, for example: if he performs as well as he did last season, his value will rise considerably.In my opinion, Small is replaceable (3 assists 2 goals, whereas replacing someone like Ramsey would be extremely difficult to replace.
But we can probably replace Small with someone equally good without paying as much as that. Josh Mulligan came through Dundee’s youth system and is still only 22, he won’t be on a huge contract up there and if we manage to bring him in we probably won’t need to offer £10k+.
If we offer Ramsay a new deal I could see us offering that sort of money, there’s no question over his place in the team. Had Small stayed, we’d still likely be looking to replace Watson with a player who provides strong competition for that RWB spot.
I can see why we probably didn’t want to make Small one of our highest earners on a 4 year deal, despite his potential and all the strengths to his game.3 -
I don't know what you're arguing about, I'm just saying that calling Small a cheat code is OTTSouthLincsAddick said:Croydon said:
Both did very well against lower league one opposition, both were kept quiet by the better sides in the league.SouthLincsAddick said:
Did you see many games this season? Him and Campbell terrorised defenders post December. This denial he was ever any good sounds like post break up comforting.arny23394 said:Describing Small as a cheat code is absolutely hilarious/insane.
Both will continue to develop but neither are anywhere near a 'cheat code' currently.Are we arguing over semantics. The team’s form from December was incredible. If it had been sustained over the whole season it would have guaranteed automatic promotion. I’m surprised you can’t see Campbell’s and Small’s contribution against the better teams in the league. They were often double marked by those teams to contain them, nullifying the opponents midfield. It wasn’t only our defence that contributed to one of the best records against the top six teams, it was the potential attacking threat too, mostly coming from the flanks. I’d argue that Small was better at coping with being double marked than Campbell.2 -
Roll on our next signing...then maybe we can talk about a new player rather than one who plays for the opposition...14 pages now.
Just saying...🤞🙄4 -
Agree with those who mention Small brought us a lot more than just the low goals and assists he managed, but purely on those numbers, we will be able to find a replacement.Looking elsewhere in the team, even Edwards managed 1 goal/5 assists and Gillesphey with 6 goals/3 assists. So I'd think Jones and Chapple can find someone to be on the wing and bring in some similar numbers to that, which will be more than Small got (again this is purely looking at numbers and I know all the other positives Small gave our team).3
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I was making the point that some fans have decided to suddenly make out he was never any good now that he’s leaving, but some keep picking me up on if he’s genuinely at ’cheat code’ status, as if there’s an official rating system I’ve not adhered to.Croydon said:
I don't know what you're arguing about, I'm just saying that calling Small a cheat code is OTTSouthLincsAddick said:Croydon said:
Both did very well against lower league one opposition, both were kept quiet by the better sides in the league.SouthLincsAddick said:
Did you see many games this season? Him and Campbell terrorised defenders post December. This denial he was ever any good sounds like post break up comforting.arny23394 said:Describing Small as a cheat code is absolutely hilarious/insane.
Both will continue to develop but neither are anywhere near a 'cheat code' currently.Are we arguing over semantics. The team’s form from December was incredible. If it had been sustained over the whole season it would have guaranteed automatic promotion. I’m surprised you can’t see Campbell’s and Small’s contribution against the better teams in the league. They were often double marked by those teams to contain them, nullifying the opponents midfield. It wasn’t only our defence that contributed to one of the best records against the top six teams, it was the potential attacking threat too, mostly coming from the flanks. I’d argue that Small was better at coping with being double marked than Campbell.2 -
Disappointed by this. Might start supporting Preston to help ease the pain1
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That would be nice considering we haven't and still needed competition for said player too.eastterrace6168 said:Roll on our next signing...then maybe we can talk about a new player rather than one who plays for the opposition...14 pages now.
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err..ok, I think...Steven81 said:
That would be nice considering we haven't and still needed competition for said player too.eastterrace6168 said:Roll on our next signing...then maybe we can talk about a new player rather than one who plays for the opposition...14 pages now.
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Bit gutted about Thierry going to Preston.. Personally think he'd of been better off staying with us or holding out for a 'bigger/better' team to come calling. Having said that. No one knows the financial difference between what we or Preston was offering. Can't hold it against the lad. Very likeable and as others have said, think we was a better team with him in it. Mainly due to his pace and unpredictable play. Left alot to be desired with end product mind. Hopefully we will bring in someone with pace similar to his but with a better end product. Not easy but certainly possible. Wish Thierry all the best in his career. Shame it's not with us3
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Sideways move that.swords_alive said:Disappointed by this. Might start supporting Preston to help ease the pain0 - Sponsored links:
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eastterrace6168 said:Roll on our next signing...then maybe we can talk about a new player rather than one who plays for the opposition...14 pages now.
Just saying...🤞🙄
You just know we'll bring in someone from SE16
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swords_alive said:Disappointed by this. Might start supporting Preston to help ease the pain
That'll soon go once you walk down Preston High Street.
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I've just signed up to this site and I've been a season ticket holder since about 1970. I've read through this entire Thierry Small debate and so have a few comments on what's been discussed, not all of which is about him.
I'm not going to comment on the rights/wrongs of him leaving, you've all talked that to death, what I want to know is how much did we get for him ? The Charlton site says they've agreed "training compensation" with Preston. But how is that amount decided ?, suppose we cant agree an amount, is there a "cast in stone" EFL/FA formula that decides how much Preston have to pay ?
Next, yes he's going to get a big payday, but not many 20 year olds think about buying a nice big house with a windfall, far more likely to want to spend it on a Ferrari or a Lambo ! or is his mum's still in charge ?
Nathan Jones getting rid of George Dobson and Alfie May. I sit behind a Charlton "insider" (does some unpaid Charlton work but not an employee), and he said that Alfie had family trouble. His wife came from Doncaster (Alfie's 1st professional club) and was desperate to go home (they were living in Snodland and she hated it) and so when Birmingham came in with their big bid Alfie wanted Charlton to accept it because they could move back to Doncaster, It's not a big drive from Birmingham. Nathan Jones didn't want him to go. Just because he subbed him often late in the game didn't mean he wasn't keen. Don't forget Alfie used to run around like a "blue arsed fly" all game and at age 31 was probably getting knackered. NJ does that all the time with other players.
George Dobson he said was determined to leave no matter what. He'd already refused a new contract before NJ arrived and had supposedly already signed some form of pre-contract with the Romanians, all NJ could do was keep him at Charlton until his existing contract expired. Fortunately that didn't seem to affect his playing form, (much ?). When he subsequently decided that Romania wasn't for him and his family it's noteworthy that he rang up Parkinson at Wrexham and said I'm free !
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CombeMartin said:I've just signed up to this site and I've been a season ticket holder since about 1970. I've read through this entire Thierry Small debate and so have a few comments on what's been discussed, not all of which is about him.
I'm not going to comment on the rights/wrongs of him leaving, you've all talked that to death, what I want to know is how much did we get for him ? The Charlton site says they've agreed "training compensation" with Preston. But how is that amount decided ?, suppose we cant agree an amount, is there a "cast in stone" EFL/FA formula that decides how much Preston have to pay ?
Next, yes he's going to get a big payday, but not many 20 year olds think about buying a nice big house with a windfall, far more likely to want to spend it on a Ferrari or a Lambo ! or is his mum's still in charge ?
Nathan Jones getting rid of George Dobson and Alfie May. I sit behind a Charlton "insider" (does some unpaid Charlton work but not an employee), and he said that Alfie had family trouble. His wife came from Doncaster (Alfie's 1st professional club) and was desperate to go home (they were living in Snodland and she hated it) and so when Birmingham came in with their big bid Alfie wanted Charlton to accept it because they could move back to Doncaster, It's not a big drive from Birmingham. Nathan Jones didn't want him to go. Just because he subbed him often late in the game didn't mean he wasn't keen. Don't forget Alfie used to run around like a "blue arsed fly" all game and at age 31 was probably getting knackered. NJ does that all the time with other players.
George Dobson he said was determined to leave no matter what. He'd already refused a new contract before NJ arrived and had supposedly already signed some form of pre-contract with the Romanians, all NJ could do was keep him at Charlton until his existing contract expired. Fortunately that didn't seem to affect his playing form, (much ?). When he subsequently decided that Romania wasn't for him and his family it's noteworthy that he rang up Parkinson at Wrexham and said I'm free !I always thought Budapest was in Hungary.That aside...............6 -
Chuks Aneke advises young players on how to manage their finances and may well be providing support to Thierry on how to enjoy his "wind fall". He will probably have a car that most of us would not be able to afford, but the Ferrri will probably wait till he gets to the next level. Aneke has also got young players to invest in property (He also has a property investment business).CombeMartin said:I've just signed up to this site and I've been a season ticket holder since about 1970. I've read through this entire Thierry Small debate and so have a few comments on what's been discussed, not all of which is about him.
I'm not going to comment on the rights/wrongs of him leaving, you've all talked that to death, what I want to know is how much did we get for him ? The Charlton site says they've agreed "training compensation" with Preston. But how is that amount decided ?, suppose we cant agree an amount, is there a "cast in stone" EFL/FA formula that decides how much Preston have to pay ?
Next, yes he's going to get a big payday, but not many 20 year olds think about buying a nice big house with a windfall, far more likely to want to spend it on a Ferrari or a Lambo ! or is his mum's still in charge ?
Nathan Jones getting rid of George Dobson and Alfie May. I sit behind a Charlton "insider" (does some unpaid Charlton work but not an employee), and he said that Alfie had family trouble. His wife came from Doncaster (Alfie's 1st professional club) and was desperate to go home (they were living in Snodland and she hated it) and so when Birmingham came in with their big bid Alfie wanted Charlton to accept it because they could move back to Doncaster, It's not a big drive from Birmingham. Nathan Jones didn't want him to go. Just because he subbed him often late in the game didn't mean he wasn't keen. Don't forget Alfie used to run around like a "blue arsed fly" all game and at age 31 was probably getting knackered. NJ does that all the time with other players.
George Dobson he said was determined to leave no matter what. He'd already refused a new contract before NJ arrived and had supposedly already signed some form of pre-contract with the Romanians, all NJ could do was keep him at Charlton until his existing contract expired. Fortunately that didn't seem to affect his playing form, (much ?). When he subsequently decided that Romania wasn't for him and his family it's noteworthy that he rang up Parkinson at Wrexham and said I'm free !
George Dobson signed a pre contract with a Hungarian club0 -
I realise you are new to the forum, and so welcome mate...CombeMartin said:I've just signed up to this site and I've been a season ticket holder since about 1970. I've read through this entire Thierry Small debate and so have a few comments on what's been discussed, not all of which is about him.
I'm not going to comment on the rights/wrongs of him leaving, you've all talked that to death, what I want to know is how much did we get for him ? The Charlton site says they've agreed "training compensation" with Preston. But how is that amount decided ?, suppose we cant agree an amount, is there a "cast in stone" EFL/FA formula that decides how much Preston have to pay ?
Next, yes he's going to get a big payday, but not many 20 year olds think about buying a nice big house with a windfall, far more likely to want to spend it on a Ferrari or a Lambo ! or is his mum's still in charge ?
Nathan Jones getting rid of George Dobson and Alfie May. I sit behind a Charlton "insider" (does some unpaid Charlton work but not an employee), and he said that Alfie had family trouble. His wife came from Doncaster (Alfie's 1st professional club) and was desperate to go home (they were living in Snodland and she hated it) and so when Birmingham came in with their big bid Alfie wanted Charlton to accept it because they could move back to Doncaster, It's not a big drive from Birmingham. Nathan Jones didn't want him to go. Just because he subbed him often late in the game didn't mean he wasn't keen. Don't forget Alfie used to run around like a "blue arsed fly" all game and at age 31 was probably getting knackered. NJ does that all the time with other players.
George Dobson he said was determined to leave no matter what. He'd already refused a new contract before NJ arrived and had supposedly already signed some form of pre-contract with the Romanians, all NJ could do was keep him at Charlton until his existing contract expired. Fortunately that didn't seem to affect his playing form, (much ?). When he subsequently decided that Romania wasn't for him and his family it's noteworthy that he rang up Parkinson at Wrexham and said I'm free !
Now, we have moved on from Dobbo and Mr May, please don't bring them back to the table, took long enough for manty on here to get over the loss...🙄2 -
I am amazed how many people don't seem to realise how much money is involved in the Champ. I know we have been League1 for a while, but it was like this ten years ago.Woodwork said:
Considering the likes of Swansea, Millwall, Preston,QPR are spending c£25m on wages, suggests the average is much higher than £10k. Certainly in terms of for first teamers.ElfsborgAddick said:
If the average wage is 10k a week in the Championship I fear we'll fall short on that figure unless we bring in a load of free/loan transfers.se9addick said:eaststandmike said:Shame to see a young, developing player leave but I don’t think we will struggle to replace him.
As exciting as he could be the end product wasn’t evident yet, so maybe Preston will get the best out of him
Personally he was one of the players on my list who I think will struggle against Championship defenses so I am not overly concerned
I’m surprised at how many people think he will struggle in the Championship. On this thread https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/97357/8-8-8#latest I didn’t see too many people disagreeing that he was an “Elite” player (or whatever the silly terminology is) but a player moving to another team can have that kind of revisionary effect.
In reality I think the vast majority of Charlton fans would have wanted to keep him, if he had signed a 3 year deal I’m sure he would have been in our starting XI on the first day of the season and I do think it’s concerning what this says about our ability to compete against even the smallest teams in this league.
The average salary estimated of every starting XI is 153k between last seasons 24. Almost 14k per player. Obviously the parachute teams make it like this, but then the lower end teams balance it out, hence the 153k.
I think based on everything that is available online this is how the relegation contenders/recently promoted sides pay out.
Top players, I.e. Lloyd and Ramsay 9-12k
Mid tier players - Docherty & Gilleshey 7-9k
Low tier players - Dixon and Asiimwe 4-7k
If we were to stay up for instance, and our top players were in contract negotiations, we would have to pay them upwards of 10k a week or they will move on. That is this league in a nutshell.0 -
Braziliance said:
I am amazed how many people don't seem to realise how much money is involved in League1. I know we have been League1 for a while, but it was like this ten years ago.Woodwork said:
Considering the likes of Swansea, Millwall, Preston,QPR are spending c£25m on wages, suggests the average is much higher than £10k. Certainly in terms of for first teamers.ElfsborgAddick said:
If the average wage is 10k a week in the Championship I fear we'll fall short on that figure unless we bring in a load of free/loan transfers.se9addick said:eaststandmike said:Shame to see a young, developing player leave but I don’t think we will struggle to replace him.
As exciting as he could be the end product wasn’t evident yet, so maybe Preston will get the best out of him
Personally he was one of the players on my list who I think will struggle against Championship defenses so I am not overly concerned
I’m surprised at how many people think he will struggle in the Championship. On this thread https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/97357/8-8-8#latest I didn’t see too many people disagreeing that he was an “Elite” player (or whatever the silly terminology is) but a player moving to another team can have that kind of revisionary effect.
In reality I think the vast majority of Charlton fans would have wanted to keep him, if he had signed a 3 year deal I’m sure he would have been in our starting XI on the first day of the season and I do think it’s concerning what this says about our ability to compete against even the smallest teams in this league.
The average salary estimated of every starting XI is 153k between the starting XI. Almost 14k per player. Obviously the parachute teams make it like this, but then the lower end teams balance it out, hence the 153k.
I think based on everything that is available online this is how the relegation contenders/recently promoted sides pay out.
Top players, I.e. Lloyd and Ramsay 9-12k
Mid tier players - Docherty & Gilleshey 7-9k
Low tier players - Dixon and Asiimwe 4-7k
If we were to stay up for instance, and our top players were in contract negotiations, we would have to pay then upwards of 10k a week or they will move on. That is this league in a nutshell.
Pure guesswork, but for any Charlton player to get near 12k would be heavily bonus related.
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Out of interest where are you getting your average wage numbers from? I’m only asking because the accounts for 24/25 aren’t out yet. The only place I saw guess numbers was so inaccurate it had Cambridge as spending more than usBraziliance said:
I am amazed how many people don't seem to realise how much money is involved in the Champ. I know we have been League1 for a while, but it was like this ten years ago.Woodwork said:
Considering the likes of Swansea, Millwall, Preston,QPR are spending c£25m on wages, suggests the average is much higher than £10k. Certainly in terms of for first teamers.ElfsborgAddick said:
If the average wage is 10k a week in the Championship I fear we'll fall short on that figure unless we bring in a load of free/loan transfers.se9addick said:eaststandmike said:Shame to see a young, developing player leave but I don’t think we will struggle to replace him.
As exciting as he could be the end product wasn’t evident yet, so maybe Preston will get the best out of him
Personally he was one of the players on my list who I think will struggle against Championship defenses so I am not overly concerned
I’m surprised at how many people think he will struggle in the Championship. On this thread https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/97357/8-8-8#latest I didn’t see too many people disagreeing that he was an “Elite” player (or whatever the silly terminology is) but a player moving to another team can have that kind of revisionary effect.
In reality I think the vast majority of Charlton fans would have wanted to keep him, if he had signed a 3 year deal I’m sure he would have been in our starting XI on the first day of the season and I do think it’s concerning what this says about our ability to compete against even the smallest teams in this league.
The average salary estimated of every starting XI is 153k between last seasons 24. Almost 14k per player. Obviously the parachute teams make it like this, but then the lower end teams balance it out, hence the 153k.
I think based on everything that is available online this is how the relegation contenders/recently promoted sides pay out.
Top players, I.e. Lloyd and Ramsay 9-12k
Mid tier players - Docherty & Gilleshey 7-9k
Low tier players - Dixon and Asiimwe 4-7k
If we were to stay up for instance, and our top players were in contract negotiations, we would have to pay them upwards of 10k a week or they will move on. That is this league in a nutshell.0 -
Excellent points made thereCombeMartin said:I've just signed up to this site and I've been a season ticket holder since about 1970. I've read through this entire Thierry Small debate and so have a few comments on what's been discussed, not all of which is about him.
I'm not going to comment on the rights/wrongs of him leaving, you've all talked that to death, what I want to know is how much did we get for him ? The Charlton site says they've agreed "training compensation" with Preston. But how is that amount decided ?, suppose we cant agree an amount, is there a "cast in stone" EFL/FA formula that decides how much Preston have to pay ?
Next, yes he's going to get a big payday, but not many 20 year olds think about buying a nice big house with a windfall, far more likely to want to spend it on a Ferrari or a Lambo ! or is his mum's still in charge ?
Nathan Jones getting rid of George Dobson and Alfie May. I sit behind a Charlton "insider" (does some unpaid Charlton work but not an employee), and he said that Alfie had family trouble. His wife came from Doncaster (Alfie's 1st professional club) and was desperate to go home (they were living in Snodland and she hated it) and so when Birmingham came in with their big bid Alfie wanted Charlton to accept it because they could move back to Doncaster, It's not a big drive from Birmingham. Nathan Jones didn't want him to go. Just because he subbed him often late in the game didn't mean he wasn't keen. Don't forget Alfie used to run around like a "blue arsed fly" all game and at age 31 was probably getting knackered. NJ does that all the time with other players.
George Dobson he said was determined to leave no matter what. He'd already refused a new contract before NJ arrived and had supposedly already signed some form of pre-contract with the Romanians, all NJ could do was keep him at Charlton until his existing contract expired. Fortunately that didn't seem to affect his playing form, (much ?). When he subsequently decided that Romania wasn't for him and his family it's noteworthy that he rang up Parkinson at Wrexham and said I'm free !0
