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Nathan Jones speculation - Cawley says indications are no chance Jones going to Cardiff (p20)
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Think this is natural tbf, Jones has achieved something with us so is in credit in the footballing world, has expressed a desire to manage Cardiff before.
Whether there's legs in this or not I imagine we'll now probably have the same rumours/conversation every 6 months when Cardiff change managers.
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The issue on pricing isn’t about “the going rate”, it’s what maximises income for a particular club in the short, medium and long term. Oxford and Luton, for example, had few or no spare seats - they need to price at the point they sell out. Charlton have spare seats; they have to find where the sweet spot is that maximises revenue, whether to target tourists who will spend on retail, or aim to expand the supporter base by making it more attractive. Probably both.Woodwork said:
There are levels though. An invested & benevolent owner would concern themselves with ST and match day prices - if they wanted what was best for fans. However, granted, that is very rare. The club put a lot of effort into that in the 1990s & that wasn’t led by the admin team.Airman Brown said:
That’s exactly what they are going to have to do for as long as they own the club outside the Premier League. I doubt they took much direct interest in the ST prices as they are unlikely to have any feel for the market and as I’ve said previously the potential income growth in 25/26 is trivial. That will likely be Warrick and Rodwell.Woodwork said:
I believe they do. But I don’t think they are going to be benevolent owners willing to write off millions each season either. Their hardnosed attitude to the season ticket prices show that. This is another good litmus test.Airman Brown said:
Well, yeah, but the club just doubled its revenue. Roland was the only one who thought you could just use the extra to offset the operating loss and still stay up. It’s reasonable to suppose the current ownership has more interest in what happens next than he did.Woodwork said:
Not if he sees the writing on the wall.Danny Addick said:
Would be very strange indeed.RC_CAFC said:There’s no way Jones has spent the last 18 months, working his nuts off to restore his reputation and get himself back into the championship to go straight back into league one for anyone.Can we have the football back please 🙏Not saying this is what is happening, but making the point that nothing is impossible in football. The wage budget is currently at least less than half every other team in the Championship. Without significant investment, Charlton could come straight back down. Whereas, he could lead Cardiff City straight back up & have double or more his current budget when back in the Championship.He certainly doesn’t lack belief in his abilities. But is pretty fragile ego wise. He may think the season could be a struggle & Charlton fans will quickly be on his back again. Whereas at Cardiff City he could play the home boy hero turning the club around.Again, not saying that is the case at all. But it’s what the post on the Plymouth forum suggests (oh the irony 😂). And nothing would surprise me in football. Nothing.
i have no idea what the playing budget is likely to be next season, but I don’t see the budget in 24/25 as any kind of guide either.All I am saying is that they seem like businessmen, first and foremost. They’ve gone to a lot of effort to make it known that they are about sustainability & cloth cutting. That is to say, I do not think they will be like the Stoke City or Millwall owners, willing to essentially write off losses out of love, no matter how big or simply just to stay competitive. Fans are expected to pay the going rate. The academy is expected to provide some gems to sell. The scouts are expected to unearth some rough diamonds to polish & make a profit on and Jones is expected to a create a team greater than the sum of its parts.And to be fair, that is how it should be. But none of us know how constrained the wage & transfer budget will be, when the club aren’t currently generating significant income from player sales. Ie when it is all on the owners. How much of the tv money will be pumped into the squad? If the incoming player stats for last season’s promoted clubs is anything to go by… all of it! Yet, I cannot see the club bringing in 15+ players. But who knows. Jones may have outlined that he needs to overhaul the squad with x amount of new players & the board may say no, we were only looking at y amount. All speculation though. But that is why forums exist.You’re right to say last season’s budget is no guide to this season’s. But we do know that it needs to be at least doubled to catch up with the likes of Preston, a club that are sniffing around Small. Doubling it doesn’t guarantee success. But that isn’t the debate (for others who reference Jones’ success at Luton v failure at Stoke). I am just stating the bolded part as a reality of Championship football.We have hands off owners who are not running the business day to day - they may sign off on ST pricing but to be honest I doubt they have a view on whether £20, £50 or £90 is the right increase in the AC Stand, especially as the marginal revenue next season is not very much.
Charlton had the lowest Championship playing budget in 2019/20 and were relegated, on the final day, by an unlikely goal scored elsewhere. We can debate the part played by Lyle Taylor, lockdown, injuries, Southall and Macauley Bonne, but the margin of failure was tiny despite the discrepancy in the playing budget.
This might lead to the conclusion that you can wing it, but I would be reasonably certain that a player budget which was marginally higher would have kept us up, in that year, which was the limit of RD’s interest anyway.
These guys clearly want more. They are unlikely to want to be a Championship-L1 yo-yo club. But as above much depends on the quality of advice they receive. Methven and Scott having gone will help.What is certain is that forgoing the central income in the Championship by getting relegated again is completely foolish, not least because it necessarily defers a shot at the Premier League where the real money is. Hopefully there are now fewer voices in their ears telling them they can cut corners.29 -
I don’t doubt that they want more than to just survive. But how big is their appetite? Long term, a small increase in Roland’s budget would likely have not prevented relegation at some point. The benchmark now is much higher. Look at clubs like Blackburn, Bristol City and Millwall. Clubs that in the main (over the last few years) that tend to hover around the middle of the table, whilst making flirting eyes at the play-offs. They’re spending £25-30m on wages. Bristol City & Millwall have very benevolent owners.Airman Brown said:
The issue on pricing isn’t about “the going rate”, it’s what maximises income for a particular club in the short, medium and long term. Oxford and Luton, for example, had few or no spare seats - they need to price at the point they sell out. Charlton have spare seats; they have to find where the sweet spot is that maximises revenue, whether to target tourists who will spend on retail, or aim to expand the supporter base by making it more attractive. Probably both.Woodwork said:
There are levels though. An invested & benevolent owner would concern themselves with ST and match day prices - if they wanted what was best for fans. However, granted, that is very rare. The club put a lot of effort into that in the 1990s & that wasn’t led by the admin team.Airman Brown said:
That’s exactly what they are going to have to do for as long as they own the club outside the Premier League. I doubt they took much direct interest in the ST prices as they are unlikely to have any feel for the market and as I’ve said previously the potential income growth in 25/26 is trivial. That will likely be Warrick and Rodwell.Woodwork said:
I believe they do. But I don’t think they are going to be benevolent owners willing to write off millions each season either. Their hardnosed attitude to the season ticket prices show that. This is another good litmus test.Airman Brown said:
Well, yeah, but the club just doubled its revenue. Roland was the only one who thought you could just use the extra to offset the operating loss and still stay up. It’s reasonable to suppose the current ownership has more interest in what happens next than he did.Woodwork said:
Not if he sees the writing on the wall.Danny Addick said:
Would be very strange indeed.RC_CAFC said:There’s no way Jones has spent the last 18 months, working his nuts off to restore his reputation and get himself back into the championship to go straight back into league one for anyone.Can we have the football back please 🙏Not saying this is what is happening, but making the point that nothing is impossible in football. The wage budget is currently at least less than half every other team in the Championship. Without significant investment, Charlton could come straight back down. Whereas, he could lead Cardiff City straight back up & have double or more his current budget when back in the Championship.He certainly doesn’t lack belief in his abilities. But is pretty fragile ego wise. He may think the season could be a struggle & Charlton fans will quickly be on his back again. Whereas at Cardiff City he could play the home boy hero turning the club around.Again, not saying that is the case at all. But it’s what the post on the Plymouth forum suggests (oh the irony 😂). And nothing would surprise me in football. Nothing.
i have no idea what the playing budget is likely to be next season, but I don’t see the budget in 24/25 as any kind of guide either.All I am saying is that they seem like businessmen, first and foremost. They’ve gone to a lot of effort to make it known that they are about sustainability & cloth cutting. That is to say, I do not think they will be like the Stoke City or Millwall owners, willing to essentially write off losses out of love, no matter how big or simply just to stay competitive. Fans are expected to pay the going rate. The academy is expected to provide some gems to sell. The scouts are expected to unearth some rough diamonds to polish & make a profit on and Jones is expected to a create a team greater than the sum of its parts.And to be fair, that is how it should be. But none of us know how constrained the wage & transfer budget will be, when the club aren’t currently generating significant income from player sales. Ie when it is all on the owners. How much of the tv money will be pumped into the squad? If the incoming player stats for last season’s promoted clubs is anything to go by… all of it! Yet, I cannot see the club bringing in 15+ players. But who knows. Jones may have outlined that he needs to overhaul the squad with x amount of new players & the board may say no, we were only looking at y amount. All speculation though. But that is why forums exist.You’re right to say last season’s budget is no guide to this season’s. But we do know that it needs to be at least doubled to catch up with the likes of Preston, a club that are sniffing around Small. Doubling it doesn’t guarantee success. But that isn’t the debate (for others who reference Jones’ success at Luton v failure at Stoke). I am just stating the bolded part as a reality of Championship football.We have hands off owners who are not running the business day to day - they may sign off on ST pricing but to be honest I doubt they have a view on whether £20, £50 or £90 is the right increase in the AC Stand, especially as the marginal revenue next season is not very much.
Charlton had the lowest Championship playing budget in 2919/20 and were relegated, on the final day, by an unlikely goal scored elsewhere. We can debate the part played by Lyle Taylor, lockdown, injuries, Southall and Macauley Bonne, but the margin of failure was tiny despite the discrepancy in the playing budget.
This might lead to the conclusion that you can wing it, but I would be reasonably certain that a player budget which was marginally higher would have kept us up, in that year, which was the limit of RD’s interest anyway.
These guys clearly want more. They are unlikely to want to be a L1-L2 yo-yo club. But as above much depends on the quality of advice they receive. Methven and Scott having gone will help.1 -
Totally agree mateSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I'm still wound up by the football he was serving up 6 months ago. Just sayin'.Gribbo said:Don't personally think he'll go but, even after everything that's been achieved since, I still think he's wound up by the criticism he was getting 6 months ago. Hopefully that won't be the thing that tips the balance
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I think that’s a very good assessment and I have a question which is probably not related but certainly interesting. Would you know @AirmanBrown if there was any truth in the rumour from a few months back that there was a bid to buy the club which was knocked back by our existing owners ?Airman Brown said:
The issue on pricing isn’t about “the going rate”, it’s what maximises income for a particular club in the short, medium and long term. Oxford and Luton, for example, had few or no spare seats - they need to price at the point they sell out. Charlton have spare seats; they have to find where the sweet spot is that maximises revenue, whether to target tourists who will spend on retail, or aim to expand the supporter base by making it more attractive. Probably both.Woodwork said:
There are levels though. An invested & benevolent owner would concern themselves with ST and match day prices - if they wanted what was best for fans. However, granted, that is very rare. The club put a lot of effort into that in the 1990s & that wasn’t led by the admin team.Airman Brown said:
That’s exactly what they are going to have to do for as long as they own the club outside the Premier League. I doubt they took much direct interest in the ST prices as they are unlikely to have any feel for the market and as I’ve said previously the potential income growth in 25/26 is trivial. That will likely be Warrick and Rodwell.Woodwork said:
I believe they do. But I don’t think they are going to be benevolent owners willing to write off millions each season either. Their hardnosed attitude to the season ticket prices show that. This is another good litmus test.Airman Brown said:
Well, yeah, but the club just doubled its revenue. Roland was the only one who thought you could just use the extra to offset the operating loss and still stay up. It’s reasonable to suppose the current ownership has more interest in what happens next than he did.Woodwork said:
Not if he sees the writing on the wall.Danny Addick said:
Would be very strange indeed.RC_CAFC said:There’s no way Jones has spent the last 18 months, working his nuts off to restore his reputation and get himself back into the championship to go straight back into league one for anyone.Can we have the football back please 🙏Not saying this is what is happening, but making the point that nothing is impossible in football. The wage budget is currently at least less than half every other team in the Championship. Without significant investment, Charlton could come straight back down. Whereas, he could lead Cardiff City straight back up & have double or more his current budget when back in the Championship.He certainly doesn’t lack belief in his abilities. But is pretty fragile ego wise. He may think the season could be a struggle & Charlton fans will quickly be on his back again. Whereas at Cardiff City he could play the home boy hero turning the club around.Again, not saying that is the case at all. But it’s what the post on the Plymouth forum suggests (oh the irony 😂). And nothing would surprise me in football. Nothing.
i have no idea what the playing budget is likely to be next season, but I don’t see the budget in 24/25 as any kind of guide either.All I am saying is that they seem like businessmen, first and foremost. They’ve gone to a lot of effort to make it known that they are about sustainability & cloth cutting. That is to say, I do not think they will be like the Stoke City or Millwall owners, willing to essentially write off losses out of love, no matter how big or simply just to stay competitive. Fans are expected to pay the going rate. The academy is expected to provide some gems to sell. The scouts are expected to unearth some rough diamonds to polish & make a profit on and Jones is expected to a create a team greater than the sum of its parts.And to be fair, that is how it should be. But none of us know how constrained the wage & transfer budget will be, when the club aren’t currently generating significant income from player sales. Ie when it is all on the owners. How much of the tv money will be pumped into the squad? If the incoming player stats for last season’s promoted clubs is anything to go by… all of it! Yet, I cannot see the club bringing in 15+ players. But who knows. Jones may have outlined that he needs to overhaul the squad with x amount of new players & the board may say no, we were only looking at y amount. All speculation though. But that is why forums exist.You’re right to say last season’s budget is no guide to this season’s. But we do know that it needs to be at least doubled to catch up with the likes of Preston, a club that are sniffing around Small. Doubling it doesn’t guarantee success. But that isn’t the debate (for others who reference Jones’ success at Luton v failure at Stoke). I am just stating the bolded part as a reality of Championship football.We have hands off owners who are not running the business day to day - they may sign off on ST pricing but to be honest I doubt they have a view on whether £20, £50 or £90 is the right increase in the AC Stand, especially as the marginal revenue next season is not very much.
Charlton had the lowest Championship playing budget in 2019/20 and were relegated, on the final day, by an unlikely goal scored elsewhere. We can debate the part played by Lyle Taylor, lockdown, injuries, Southall and Macauley Bonne, but the margin of failure was tiny despite the discrepancy in the playing budget.
This might lead to the conclusion that you can wing it, but I would be reasonably certain that a player budget which was marginally higher would have kept us up, in that year, which was the limit of RD’s interest anyway.
These guys clearly want more. They are unlikely to want to be a Championship-L1 yo-yo club. But as above much depends on the quality of advice they receive. Methven and Scott having gone will help.What is certain is that forgoing the central income in the Championship by getting relegated again is completely foolish, not least because it necessarily defers a shot at the Premier League where the real money is. Hopefully there are now fewer voices in their ears telling them they can cut corners.2 -
Henry Irving said:
No, they don't and they shouldn'tShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.
Jones will come back from holiday and carry on.
No plans have to be altered, Chapple will be working away, deals will be set up.
And the club would be mad to make any statement because 1. Those that believe the clickbait nonsense will say "no smoke without fire" and 2. they will then have to respond to every other bit of nonsense on social media.
It is typical that the Cardiff ITK guy saying Jones ISN'T ON THE SHORTLIST story was almost ignored but any bad news is lapped up.
Far too sensible, Henners - as a retired man now you are supposed to talk bollocks. I know I do!2 -
Big Ange is getting the sack. I'd happily get him in or Rooney. Rooney would get us to play the Charlton way16
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You mean crap ?MrBurns said:Big Ange is getting the sack. I'd happily get him in or Rooney. Rooney would get us to play the Charlton way5 -
He’s going to Cardiff I heardMrBurns said:Big Ange is getting the sack. I'd happily get him in or Rooney. Rooney would get us to play the Charlton way0 -
Well @Bobmunro you did warn us not to hire Nathan Jones 😉bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
No, they don't and they shouldn'tShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.
Jones will come back from holiday and carry on.
No plans have to be altered, Chapple will be working away, deals will be set up.
And the club would be mad to make any statement because 1. Those that believe the clickbait nonsense will say "no smoke without fire" and 2. they will then have to respond to every other bit of nonsense on social media.
It is typical that the Cardiff ITK guy saying Jones ISN'T ON THE SHORTLIST story was almost ignored but any bad news is lapped up.
Far too sensible, Henners - as a retired man now you are supposed to talk bollocks. I know I do!1 - Sponsored links:
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And what will they say about Jones to potential signings of players they want to keep, I.e Small.Henry Irving said:
No, they don't and they shouldn'tShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.
Jones will come back from holiday and carry on.
No plans have to be altered, Chapple will be working away, deals will be set up.
And the club would be mad to make any statement because 1. Those that believe the clickbait nonsense will say "no smoke without fire" and 2. they will then have to respond to every other bit of nonsense on social media.
It is typical that the Cardiff ITK guy saying Jones ISN'T ON THE SHORTLIST story was almost ignored but any bad news is lapped up.0 -
I was trying to find that quote where Jones said he didn't join a league one club, he joined Charlton and I noticed this.
Bit off topic, but it reads a bit like a bit of a back handed compliment? 😂
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Henry Irving said:
Well @Bobmunro you did warn us not to hire Nathan Jones 😉bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:
No, they don't and they shouldn'tShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely. Problem is, Tan will fanny around negotiating should it get that far. Even if Jones is willing to speak to Cardiff any appointment is a couple of weeks away by the time three sets of lawyers are involved. Disaster for our preparations. List of players goes out the window and we are in deep shizer.The Red Robin said:Whatever’s going on, the club need to put this to bed quickly.
Jones will come back from holiday and carry on.
No plans have to be altered, Chapple will be working away, deals will be set up.
And the club would be mad to make any statement because 1. Those that believe the clickbait nonsense will say "no smoke without fire" and 2. they will then have to respond to every other bit of nonsense on social media.
It is typical that the Cardiff ITK guy saying Jones ISN'T ON THE SHORTLIST story was almost ignored but any bad news is lapped up.
Far too sensible, Henners - as a retired man now you are supposed to talk bollocks. I know I do!
I believe I mentioned some caveats!1 -
Les Reed is one of the most underrated Charlton managers. He just needed more time.The Red Robin said:
A minor blip. 😅 …as was Les Reed.Airman Brown said:
Caution - I feel obliged to mention Pardew.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.4 -
More time for what? To relegate us sooner?Powell2ThePeople said:
Les Reed is one of the most underrated Charlton managers. He just needed more time.The Red Robin said:
A minor blip. 😅 …as was Les Reed.Airman Brown said:
Caution - I feel obliged to mention Pardew.MartinCAFC said:
Jones knew the club and the culture when he joined. Goes in the same group as Powell, Bowyer and Jackson for me. Certainly doesn't go in the same group as Appleton.Belv said:
Apart from Nathan Jones who won promotion just 7 days ago?MartinCAFC said:
Agreed. Surprised there are fans who think external appointments work with us, they don't. The best any of them ever did post-Curbs was a failed league one play off attempt with Parkinson.ProperCharlton said:Genuinely shocked to see some fans on Twitter saying we should hire Ruben Selles if NJ leaves. Almost like they want us to get relegated.
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I have a certificate somewhere acknowledging that I paid £5 to help buy Ronnie Moore. Feckin lot of cash for me back then.guinnessaddick said:
It wasn’t so much him going, it was this day before.charltonbob said:
Who saw Lennie toddling off to Middlesbrough ?BigDiddy said:Cardiff has a toxic ownership, but never say never in football.
NJ will probably see what support he gets in this window before we will know his intentions.
Time for the yanks to put some real cash in.
Cert has his pic on it in the middle. There must be others on here with one? I’ll see if I can dig it out.1 -
If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.1
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What can the club or NJ say?Lazy_eye_metaphor said:If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.The only rumour is that Cardiff fancy him a bit. What can either the club or the man himself say about that?3 -
Belv said:
What can the club or NJ say?Lazy_eye_metaphor said:If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.The only rumour is that Cardiff fancy him a bit. What can either the club or the man himself say about that?
Didn't the rumour claim that NJ has had talks with Cardiff ?0 -
Not that I’ve seen but could be wrong.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Belv said:
What can the club or NJ say?Lazy_eye_metaphor said:If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.The only rumour is that Cardiff fancy him a bit. What can either the club or the man himself say about that?
Didn't the rumour claim that NJ has had talks with Cardiff ?
In that case, the club should have announced that they have granted permission for him to speak to Cardiff, the fact they haven’t leads me to believe talks haven’t happened.0 - Sponsored links:
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Today is Sunday so I don't expect to hear anything from the club.
I do however expect the club to give a statement tomorrow to either confirm or deny there has been interest from Cardiff.
For what it's worth I think it's bollox.2 -
Belv said:
Not that I’ve seen but could be wrong.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Belv said:
What can the club or NJ say?Lazy_eye_metaphor said:If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.The only rumour is that Cardiff fancy him a bit. What can either the club or the man himself say about that?
Didn't the rumour claim that NJ has had talks with Cardiff ?
In that case, the club should have announced that they have granted permission for him to speak to Cardiff, the fact they haven’t leads me to believe talks haven’t happened.Belv said:
Not that I’ve seen but could be wrong.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Belv said:
What can the club or NJ say?Lazy_eye_metaphor said:If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.The only rumour is that Cardiff fancy him a bit. What can either the club or the man himself say about that?
Didn't the rumour claim that NJ has had talks with Cardiff ?
In that case, the club should have announced that they have granted permission for him to speak to Cardiff, the fact they haven’t leads me to believe talks haven’t happened.
I pray that you're right and I'm mistaken.1 -
Don't think they really need that at the moment..Lazy_eye_metaphor said:If there's really nothing in this rumour, I reckon either the club or NJ himself should make an appropriate press statement without further delay.If it's true, God help us.
They're all on a well deserved break and probably not thinking about anything football related.
We'll have to wait.3 -
They won’t for the reasons given over the last couple of pages.blackpool72 said:Today is Sunday so I don't expect to hear anything from the club.
I do however expect the club to give a statement tomorrow to either confirm or deny there has been interest from Cardiff.
For what it's worth I think it's bollox.
The only way this ends for some is when both Cardiff and Plymouth have both announced new managers that aren’t Nathan Jones. Until then, some won’t believe anything that is said.4 -
Presumably staying online with multiple browsers trying to get tickets ! 😉😆_MrDick said:Another snippet from my overheard conversation between my mate and an academy coach .. NJ is so focused on Charlton, he spent the week before the play off final sleeping at the training ground. Jones to Cardiff … Nah. Not having it4 -
Do clubs usually do press releases to inform of ongoing talks? I could be wrong but I'd only expect to see something if a deal has been struck. I think losing Jones isn't losing a manager, it's losing a culture and belief that the players, staff and fans have bought into - and has now been proven to be effective. Replacing that with a manager with a rebuild season in arguably the most competitive league in football is a step too far for me. Hope it's just paper talk, originating from those two dodgy sources who may have been told the club want Jones, and nothing more than that.7
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With knobs onVfrf said:Do clubs usually do press releases to inform of ongoing talks? I could be wrong but I'd only expect to see something if a deal has been struck. I think losing Jones isn't losing a manager, it's losing a culture and belief that the players, staff and fans have bought into - and has now been proven to be effective. Replacing that with a manager with a rebuild season in arguably the most competitive league in football is a step too far for me. Hope it's just paper talk, originating from those two dodgy sources who may have been told the club want Jones, and nothing more than that.0 -
I will only believe it is true when “ Jones seen in Lidl Cardiff, buying a trumpet and an arc welder, and a jar of beetroot “ floats out on Cardiff forum.4
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At least we wouldn’t have to go to Cardiff to see him run down the touchline and then sink to his knees in a 94th minute 2-1 defeat on Boxing Day, as would have happened if we’d stayed down.Vfrf said:Do clubs usually do press releases to inform of ongoing talks? I could be wrong but I'd only expect to see something if a deal has been struck. I think losing Jones isn't losing a manager, it's losing a culture and belief that the players, staff and fans have bought into - and has now been proven to be effective. Replacing that with a manager with a rebuild season in arguably the most competitive league in football is a step too far for me. Hope it's just paper talk, originating from those two dodgy sources who may have been told the club want Jones, and nothing more than that.2 -
Jones leaving would be a disaster for both him at Cardiff and us..
He said last week we are already 3 weeks behind. Sorting out compensation and recruiting a new manager would take weeks and weeks.
Cardiff need to act quickly for the same reason. They've been without a permanent manager since late April.
They need to get a new manager in ASAP so they can identify and bring in the players he wants.
Don't forget Jones wouldn't be afforded the free hit he got with us in his first half season. Cardiff and especially Tan will expect results and quickly.
I really don't thinks Jones will see the worth in it at this very moment.0
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