Nathan Jones speculation - Cawley says indications are no chance Jones going to Cardiff (p20)

Scoham

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

kafka

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

WUM

LargeAddick

One minute we are not believing it because it was posted on a message board so must be bollocks. Same message board now says it’s Buckingham and we breathe a sigh of relief. I’ll believe whatever it is when it’s announced by Cardiff.

Northern_Monkey

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Callumcafc

Red_Chester said:

Nathan jones now joint fav. Was 5/1 yesterday.  Now 5/6 with Ramsey. Buckingham 8/1 

10 excited Cardiff fans put 20 quid each on him…

paulie8290

fenaddick said:

paulie8290 said:

AberystwythAddick said:

Looks like it will be Buckinghams Bluebirds by this time tomorrow, if not we can panic again!

Can currently get 8/1 on Buckingham, if it was that close the odds would definitely be shorter 

Not necessarily, if enough people are lumping on Jones then Buckingham's odds will stay longer than they should

But if Buckingham was close the bookies would have an idea and start to lower the odds, they wouldn't risk keeping them high and losing money.

8/1 makes it seem like Buckingham isn't close to being appointed at all

Woodwork

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

Braziliance

To be fair bookies odds don't always mean much. Didn't we have someone with really bad low odds to take us over and it didn't happen before Jones? 

It's very likely that journo was referring to Jones, we can also assume if Jones is approached, he will at the very least be open to the idea.

This is where I hope we show some ambition and give him some assurances next season.

If a club in the league below can lure our manager, even with his Cardiff links, it will be absolutely pathetic by us.

tom_k

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

He’d be turned on no matter what club he managed if the results were bad. That’s part of the job.

Brownie12

Let’s just wait and see what the Plymouth Herold say is 8 weeks.

letthegoodtimesroll

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

It basically took him two half seasons, one to stop the rot (and avoid relegation) and the other to get the team on board and for him to determine who his first choice players were. Relegated Cardiff are just as big a shit show as Charlton were when he took on the Addicks job so it’s likely to take him a similar time to get new players in and get them on board with the way he wants them to play. He won’t be popular in the meantime if the Cardiff fans are expecting him to be the messiah.

carly burn

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

MillwallFan

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

Ooooo…. Touché 🤣

aliwibble

Braziliance said:

stonemuse

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

DOUCHER

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's    

valleynick66

Braziliance said:

To be fair bookies odds don't always mean much. Didn't we have someone with really bad low odds to take us over and it didn't happen before Jones? 

It's very likely that journo was referring to Jones, we can also assume if Jones is approached, he will at the very least be open to the idea.

This is where I hope we show some ambition and give him some assurances next season.

If a club in the league below can lure our manager, even with his Cardiff links, it will be absolutely pathetic by us.

No pathetic by him. 

(Not that I take the rumour  seriously)

DOUCHER

kafka said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

WUM

its not even worthy of the term WUM - at least the other one tries 

AmpshireAddick

Hoping this is all a non starter.. it just doesn’t make any sense to jump ship on a club that seemingly is on the up for one trending down… boyhood club or not, surely this is not the right time? 

the bookies having him joint fave doesn’t sound good, but then I guess the key there is that it’s joint favourite so clearly money for other parties too.. 

would be just our luck though wouldn’t it… 

The Red Robin

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Careful, @woodwork will be rattling off some FA Cup giant killing stats in a minute. 

DOUCHER

AmpshireAddick said:

Hoping this is all a non starter.. it just doesn’t make any sense to jump ship on a club that seemingly is on the up for one trending down… boyhood club or not, surely this is not the right time? 

the bookies having him joint fave doesn’t sound good, but then I guess the key there is that it’s joint favourite so clearly money for other parties too.. 

would be just our luck though wouldn’t it… 

of course its a non starter - absolute bilge 

DOUCHER

unless the owners have given him a ridiculously low budget - then we're f*cked but that won't be the case  

AddicksAddict

MillwallFan said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

Ooooo…. Touché 🤣

I’m not touching anything of yours. 

Woodwork

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's    

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect. 

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is. 

@Henry Irving  is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc 

Woodwork

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham. 

The Red Robin

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's    

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect. 

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is. 

@Henry Irving  is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc 

Millwall are content with mid-table Championship football as the majority of their fan base have never experienced higher. There’s nothing entitled about Charlton fans  wanting to be a tad higher than mid-table in League One. Charlton in The Championship is bear minimum.

eastterrace6168

Woodwork

The Red Robin said:

Woodwork said:

DOUCHER said:

Woodwork said:

Northern_Monkey said:

I’d be surprised if he went. The lure of Mansfield, Lincoln and the like vs the games in Championship doesn’t seem compelling, even as a fan. He has said the board are supportive, the fans are behind him, so why do that when he could always consider at a different time when further along with us?

If he does go that would probably sound alarm bells with the backing being given.

Playing devil’s advocate… Jones wasn’t happy with how quickly a significant amount of fans turned on him, before even half the season was out. In fact, he seemed fuming. So he may think that if things start to look sticky again, he’ll be turned on again.   

on that basis, no wonder he turned millwall down then and went to us despite being in a division lower - won't be surprised if he takes an assistants role at footscray lions girls under 9's    

Having spent a lot of time at both The Valley and The Den, I actually think Millwall fans are more patient. They are certainly less entitled. I think that is what upset Jones. Charlton have spent the majority of the 21st Century playing League One football, & finished in its lowest position since having to apply for reelection in 1926. Yet despite not being out of touch of the play-offs, fans turned on him. Despite him having to rebuild squad & the whole club after a decade or more of neglect. 

I think the difference is, when Millwall fans turn on you, they really turn on you. And they also tend to turn on the players more often than the manager. I think that is because they think players should give their all, no matter who the manager is or how bad he is. 

@Henry Irving  is this okay with you, sir? As I replied to a direct post. Doff my cap etc etc 

Millwall are content with mid-table Championship football as the majority of their fan base have never experienced higher. There’s nothing entitled about Charlton fans  wanting to be a tad higher than mid-table in League One. Charlton in The Championship is bear minimum.

It is when the club has played most of the last 15 years in League One, under poor managers and awful owners. Jones probably thought he was doing a good job turning the club around, but then had a load of angry middle-aged men shouting at him before it was even Christmas. 

He isn’t a Charlton fan, remember. He doesn’t remember getting on the Valley Express and watching Charlton in the PL. As far as he is concerned, he joined a neglected League One football club.  

stonemuse

Woodwork said:

stonemuse said:

carly burn said:

MillwallFan said:

You wouldn’t blame him for leaving to go to a much bigger club, even if it means dropping down a division. Charlton was always going to be a stepping stone for him. 

 Quite. As you well know with Harris


.....going to Cambridge.

Cambridge definitely a larger club according to ChatGPT 😉

While Millwall’s immediate catchment area is within a densely populated metropolis, the presence of multiple football clubs in London creates a competitive environment for fan allegiance. In contrast, Cambridge United benefits from a more defined regional presence, allowing for a much larger support base.

In summary, Millwall has access to a larger urban population, but this is tempered by the competitive landscape of London football. Cambridge United, while based in a smaller city, potentially has a more concentrated and loyal regional fan base due to its unique position within the local community.

Perhaps Jones will go to Plymouth Argyle then? As by this metric, they must be one of the biggest clubs in England. Them or Gillingham. 

Whoosh

RC_CAFC

Why couldn't the south London press have stayed open a bit longer... This is the exact kind of thing the club asks Rich Cawley to put out to alleviate any fears but not get involved directly with.