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Nathan Jones speculation - Cawley says indications are no chance Jones going to Cardiff (p20)

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  • Laddick01
    Laddick01
    Braziliance said:
    Laddick01 said:
    If they were a Championship side I’d be worried.

    Jones appears to be a manager that wants to work at the highest level possible. I can’t see him fancying another season in League 1
    "I didn't drop to League One to be a League One manager, I went to League One to manage Charlton."


    Bit of a difference. He came to us when his stock was lowest.Although he may have had some affiliation to us, he came to us because he needed to rebuild his reputation - I doubt he’d have walked into a Championship job that easily.

    I could absolutely see him jumping ship to a bigger club, however I think he’ll also recognise that Cardiff would be a big step backwards at this stage.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters
    He’d be better off going to Wrexham
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    edited May 31
    He does have a history of making idiotic career moves but this would top the lot.
  • Brown59
    Brown59
    Omg please don’t say he’s leaving. But in Football nothing surprises me anymore. He’s a Cardiff boy so maybe the lure may be too great to resist. Just depends how much money they have. 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune
    If he is thinking of leaving, perhaps he needs to look at the case of Michael Beale who seemed to be on a good thing at QPR and then left for Rangers and it’s all gone downhill from there. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru
    Brown59 said:
    Omg please don’t say he’s leaving. But in Football nothing surprises me anymore. He’s a Cardiff boy so maybe the lure may be too great to resist. Just depends how much money they have. 
    Vincent Tan will promise the earth and deliver the moon. He’s single handed presided over Cardiff playing in the third tier for the first time in 22 years. He’s an interfering owner and barking mad. Jones is barking mad so what could possibly go wrong.
  • carly burn
    carly burn
    Plus, bet Vincent Tan is a complete fruitloop to work for.
    Little autonomy there.
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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited May 31
    SantaClaus said:
    Useful leverage if you want to bump up your salary or feel the transfer kitty's a bit light.
    Fingers crossed that's the positive that comes from this.

    Laddick01 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Laddick01 said:
    If they were a Championship side I’d be worried.

    Jones appears to be a manager that wants to work at the highest level possible. I can’t see him fancying another season in League 1
    "I didn't drop to League One to be a League One manager, I went to League One to manage Charlton."


    Bit of a difference. He came to us when his stock was lowest.Although he may have had some affiliation to us, he came to us because he needed to rebuild his reputation - I doubt he’d have walked into a Championship job that easily.

    I could absolutely see him jumping ship to a bigger club, however I think he’ll also recognise that Cardiff would be a big step backwards at this stage.
    I'm just speculating.

    Cardiff are imo a bigger club, just about, so it wouldn't be a sideways or backwards steps in that sense, just league positions.

    It would be a backwards step football ladder wise, but for how long. We could switch divisions again next season. We are currently one of the favourites to go down, unless we invest in the squad. Cardiff are one of the bookies favourites to go up.

    Jones mindset could be:

    - They were after my head only 7 months ago (Charlton fans)
    - I may not get another/better chance to manage Cardiff
    - Cardiff will pay me more, and I'll be closer to home.

    Jones won't be thinking about the league they're in as much, just more so that it is Cardiff, and he will fancy himself to get them back up. 

    Alternatively he could be thinking:

    - Charlton are in the league above 
    - I have a good relationship currently with the fans, board, and my squad
    - I'll be going back a year in terms of progression.

    The undeniable factor here is that he is genuinely a passionate Cardiff fan (similar to Chris Wilder & Sheff United) and has openly said it is his dream job, and he would never turn them down.

    My hope is Tan will have someone else in mind and the compensation will be too much. 

    Yesterday I thought it wasn't going to happen as I thought they were after Buckingham and nearly had it done, now there's the ambiguous rumour that Jones is their target, it concerns me.

    Anyway, not much I can do, that's my speculative thoughts, I hope he stays and Cardiff piss off.
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC
    Braziliance said:
    SantaClaus said:
    Useful leverage if you want to bump up your salary or feel the transfer kitty's a bit light.
    Fingers crossed that's the positive that comes from this.

    Laddick01 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Laddick01 said:
    If they were a Championship side I’d be worried.

    Jones appears to be a manager that wants to work at the highest level possible. I can’t see him fancying another season in League 1
    "I didn't drop to League One to be a League One manager, I went to League One to manage Charlton."


    Bit of a difference. He came to us when his stock was lowest.Although he may have had some affiliation to us, he came to us because he needed to rebuild his reputation - I doubt he’d have walked into a Championship job that easily.

    I could absolutely see him jumping ship to a bigger club, however I think he’ll also recognise that Cardiff would be a big step backwards at this stage.
    I'm just speculating.

    Cardiff are imo a bigger club, just about, so it wouldn't be a sideways or backwards steps in that sense, just league positions.

    It would be a backwards step football ladder wise, but for how long. We could switch divisions again next season. We are currently one of the favourites to go down, unless we invest in the squad. Cardiff are one of the bookies favourites to go up.

    Jones mindset could be:

    - They were after my head only 7 months ago (Charlton fans)
    - I may not get another/better chance to manage Cardiff
    - Cardiff will pay me more, and I'll be closer to home.

    Jones won't be thinking about the league they're in as much, just more so that it is Cardiff, and he will fancy himself to get them back up. 

    Alternatively he could be thinking:

    - Charlton are in the league above 
    - I have a good relationship currently with the fans, board, and my squad
    - I'll be going back a year in terms of progression.

    The undeniable factor here is that he is genuinely a passionate Cardiff fan (similar to Chris Wilder & Sheff United) and has openly said it is his dream job, and he would never turn them down.

    My hope is Tan will have someone else in mind and the compensation will be too much. 

    Yesterday I thought it wasn't going to happen as I thought they were after Buckingham and nearly had it done, now there's the ambiguous rumour that Jones is their target, it concerns me.

    Anyway, not much I can do, that's my speculative thoughts, I hope he stays and Cardiff piss off.
    Could still be the case and maybe these rumours of being after Jones are a way to get it done with Buckingham if these rumours are out for an alternative manager.

    Also, could be Jones using it as leverage to increase his budget with us.

    All kinds of factors, I don't think he'll go but if he does then thanks for the compensation and getting us back to The Championship and we move on.
  • Brownie12
    Brownie12
    Really don’t think he will jump ship. The last couple of times he has done it have been a disaster for him.

     Personally I think it’s best to avoid managing the club you support. If it turns sour (and there is a very good chance it would under Vincent Tan) then that’s not going to be good for him.  

    He has got plenty of time to manage Cardiff later down the line. 
  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero
    edited May 31
    Cardiff fans seems to think Jones has spoken to the Cardiff hierarchy:

    https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=244871&sid=43f9d3f0df18b2703138b535baa8fb9c 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC
    If he joined them and they had a poor first half of the season like with us last season, would he keep his job? I would say no and he would gain a reputation of jumping ship. Of course, the more successful we are the more likely the sharks will be swimming around our players and manager. But Cardiff are League One and would be a backwards step as it stands now.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    MartinCAFC said:
    Braziliance said:
    SantaClaus said:
    Useful leverage if you want to bump up your salary or feel the transfer kitty's a bit light.
    Fingers crossed that's the positive that comes from this.

    Laddick01 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Laddick01 said:
    If they were a Championship side I’d be worried.

    Jones appears to be a manager that wants to work at the highest level possible. I can’t see him fancying another season in League 1
    "I didn't drop to League One to be a League One manager, I went to League One to manage Charlton."


    Bit of a difference. He came to us when his stock was lowest.Although he may have had some affiliation to us, he came to us because he needed to rebuild his reputation - I doubt he’d have walked into a Championship job that easily.

    I could absolutely see him jumping ship to a bigger club, however I think he’ll also recognise that Cardiff would be a big step backwards at this stage.
    I'm just speculating.

    Cardiff are imo a bigger club, just about, so it wouldn't be a sideways or backwards steps in that sense, just league positions.

    It would be a backwards step football ladder wise, but for how long. We could switch divisions again next season. We are currently one of the favourites to go down, unless we invest in the squad. Cardiff are one of the bookies favourites to go up.

    Jones mindset could be:

    - They were after my head only 7 months ago (Charlton fans)
    - I may not get another/better chance to manage Cardiff
    - Cardiff will pay me more, and I'll be closer to home.

    Jones won't be thinking about the league they're in as much, just more so that it is Cardiff, and he will fancy himself to get them back up. 

    Alternatively he could be thinking:

    - Charlton are in the league above 
    - I have a good relationship currently with the fans, board, and my squad
    - I'll be going back a year in terms of progression.

    The undeniable factor here is that he is genuinely a passionate Cardiff fan (similar to Chris Wilder & Sheff United) and has openly said it is his dream job, and he would never turn them down.

    My hope is Tan will have someone else in mind and the compensation will be too much. 

    Yesterday I thought it wasn't going to happen as I thought they were after Buckingham and nearly had it done, now there's the ambiguous rumour that Jones is their target, it concerns me.

    Anyway, not much I can do, that's my speculative thoughts, I hope he stays and Cardiff piss off.
    Could still be the case and maybe these rumours of being after Jones are a way to get it done with Buckingham if these rumours are out for an alternative manager.

    Also, could be Jones using it as leverage to increase his budget with us.

    All kinds of factors, I don't think he'll go but if he does then thanks for the compensation and getting us back to The Championship and we move on.
    That's where I'm at. Excited for the season ahead regardless. 
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  • Woodwork
    Woodwork
    Bedsaddick said:
    Cardiff may be a bigger place but are they a bigger club? I don’t think so. 
    I think being the only club in the 11th largest city in UK does make them a bigger club in the sense that they can generate bigger average gates and sell more season tickets.   

    They have been badly run for a few years now, have an uneasy relationship with the owner to say the least & have struggled in the league, but have still averaged 18-20,000. Even in a relegation season. If Jones injects them with his passion, you can see them going up with gates of 20,000+ and then even more in Championship. 

    In terms of history of achievement, Charlton would be the more successful (therefore ‘bigger’) club. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    Woodwork said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    Cardiff may be a bigger place but are they a bigger club? I don’t think so. 
    I think being the only club in the 11th largest city in UK does make them a bigger club in the sense that they can generate bigger average gates and sell more season tickets.   

    They have been badly run for a few years now, have an uneasy relationship with the owner to say the least & have struggled in the league, but have still averaged 18-20,000. Even in a relegation season. If Jones injects them with his passion, you can see them going up with gates of 20,000+ and then even more in Championship. 

    In terms of history of achievement, Charlton would be the more successful (therefore ‘bigger’) club. 
    Are Cardiff bigger than Millwall?
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork
    Callumcafc said:
    Woodwork said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    Cardiff may be a bigger place but are they a bigger club? I don’t think so. 
    I think being the only club in the 11th largest city in UK does make them a bigger club in the sense that they can generate bigger average gates and sell more season tickets.   

    They have been badly run for a few years now, have an uneasy relationship with the owner to say the least & have struggled in the league, but have still averaged 18-20,000. Even in a relegation season. If Jones injects them with his passion, you can see them going up with gates of 20,000+ and then even more in Championship. 

    In terms of history of achievement, Charlton would be the more successful (therefore ‘bigger’) club. 
    Are Cardiff bigger than Millwall?
    Yes. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick
    Callumcafc said:
    Woodwork said:
    Bedsaddick said:
    Cardiff may be a bigger place but are they a bigger club? I don’t think so. 
    I think being the only club in the 11th largest city in UK does make them a bigger club in the sense that they can generate bigger average gates and sell more season tickets.   

    They have been badly run for a few years now, have an uneasy relationship with the owner to say the least & have struggled in the league, but have still averaged 18-20,000. Even in a relegation season. If Jones injects them with his passion, you can see them going up with gates of 20,000+ and then even more in Championship. 

    In terms of history of achievement, Charlton would be the more successful (therefore ‘bigger’) club. 
    Are Cardiff bigger than Millwall?
    Yes . As we are. 
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks
    Can't see it happening with Tan as the Cardiff owner. 

    Des Buckingham is right there anyway so not sure why Cardiff would bother either. 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood
    Jones odds for manager gone 33/1 to 7/4 their version of Cawley practically confirmed they’ve gone in for Nathan Jones. Closer to family, bigger wage, boyhood club there’s no reason like Eustace as an example why he wouldn’t jump ship given the opportunity. Also has the cop out he’s left us in a much better position and fans wanted him out earlier in the year. Wouldn’t blame him if he goes but does put us in a very difficult position next year considering how much effort we’ve gone to making this a NJ squad, back room staff etc. if he does go personally think we should just throw the kitchen sink at Selles and  get him in early
  • Dannoo_86
    Dannoo_86
    Wouldn’t be happy but JJ with SCP as assistant if it happens please and give them the money to have a good go!!
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