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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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We were beyond horrific and turned in to a ridiculously well oiled defensive machine that got us promotion .
I still believe he's as mad as a box of frogs but that is without doubt the biggest most impossible turn around for a promotion ever and I’d say its more a miracle than what Sir Chris Powell achieved in 2011/12 .
Nathan Jones thank you you beauty , now stay up next year and beat the scum pleeeeeease
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Jones is clearly pissed off that he got some stick in the dark days of November and December, but you have to expect that when you have just lost 2-1 at home to Crawley and have only won six out of nineteen games, losing seven games, and playing some absolutely turgid football.
It all turned on that day at Sixfields on December 22nd with that 5-0 win over the Cobblers, starting a run of three straight wins from which we never looked back.
Pretty amazing form over the last 27 games, to lose just four games, draw four and win a staggering nineteen games - form which would have given us 103 points if maintained the whole season.
Even more amazing to do it with a razor thin squad, if anyone had told me at the start of the season that Miles Leaburn would only start 14 league games and score just six league goals, I'd have been sure that we would be nowhere near promotion - but Godden, Campbell, Berry, Gillespie and Doherty all chipped in to make up for the big man's absence.28 -
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
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The stick was deserved as much as the praise is now . I suspect he has a good, calm lieutenant in Curtis F- an articulate and rational sidekick to his hyper emotional nature .Ormiston_Addick said:Jones is clearly pissed off that he got some stick in the dark days of November and December, but you have to expect that when you have just lost 2-1 at home to Crawley and have only won six out of nineteen games, losing seven games, and playing some absolutely turgid football.
It all turned on that day at Sixfields on December 22nd with that 5-0 win over the Cobblers, starting a run of three straight wins from which we never looked back.
Pretty amazing form over the last 27 games, to lose just four games, draw four and win a staggering nineteen games - form which would have given us 103 points if maintained the whole season.
Even more amazing to do it with a razor thin squad, if anyone had told me at the start of the season that Miles Leaburn would only start 14 league games and score just six league goals, I'd have been sure that we would be nowhere near promotion - but Godden, Campbell, Berry, Gillespie and Doherty all chipped in to make up for the big man's absence.5 -
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
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But like Jones, he wasn’t a total outsider .The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything2 -
I thinks it's time for a lot of us (including me) who slagged him earlier in the season to apologise. I even saw something from a Southampton fan who said he realises it wasn't the managers fault.1
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What I would say is that I haven't been able to work him out. I have strong views in relation to football and think I know a bit but there are times when you just have to forget about what you think we should or not do and leave it to the manager. The manager has to earn that trust and Nathan Jones has done that with bells on. Yes I doubted him. My position after Crawley was we shouldn't sack him but the reason was the model of keep sacking managers was not successful and obviously so. Not because I expected this run, I bloody booked my holiday to avoid the play offs! Whatever we do next season. I trust Jones and won't be questioning him. I'm just going to hang on for the ride and see where it takes us.5
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A lot of people, if not all did exactly that months ago ! Considering what we had been through for nearly a decade, its obvious why fans were/had turned back in December and its weird that some still use it as a reason to have a pop at others.redbuttle said:I thinks it's time for a lot of us (including me) who slagged him earlier in the season to apologise. I even saw something from a Southampton fan who said he realises it wasn't the managers fault.
We just now need to remember the previous 5 months if we have a rough start to Championship life next season.
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Learning point here is not who was right or wrong, although Callum and a few others have every right to say "I told you so", but that we should give NJ, the players and the owners time next season if things aren't immediately going well or we hit a rough patch in a very tough division.
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I think the problem with taking a premier league job compared to league one, particularly mid season, is that panic stations are hit by owners every bit as fast as the fans because of the financial fall if you get relegated. It means that no one is allowed time to turn a sinking ship around.redbuttle said:I thinks it's time for a lot of us (including me) who slagged him earlier in the season to apologise. I even saw something from a Southampton fan who said he realises it wasn't the managers fault.
Jones to the Southampton fans was a bit like us hiring Appleton. He was the cheap choice and people weren’t going to accept him and if he didn’t win a few on the spin, he wasn’t to be given time.To us, Jones was the aspirational choice with a link to the club and as a result he was given more time by the owners and fans to turn the ship around.Thank goodness no silly triggers were pulled in December or else we would be talking about him like the Southampton fans do!
He has the potential now to be our best manager since Curbs. Well done Nathan and thank you for giving hope and pride back!9 -
His win percentage is almost up to 50% now by the way. Was far too early to start calling for his head 30 games ago.5
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I think what people sometimes fail to realise in terms of both the darkest period of this thread and the stick Jones still refers to is that there's levels of excess that football fans go to quickly now that are insane. Yes it's true that we were really bad and you can't expect the fans to be happy about it, but some of the abuse on here and in person to Jones because we weren't playing well is excessive and it's pretty embarrassing how quickly grown adults can go from supporting their team to screaming that Jones is 'dog shit', a 'clueless prick', a 'Welsh twat' etc on here and directly into his face. I think it wasn't just that he was criticised, he was taken aback by the level and aggression of it as he walked off the pitch and I think it's just another symptom of the post-Covid internet age where people seem to have lost their ability to filter and regulate their behaviour. Fans can be upset when we lose and I think it was important for the fans to make it clear that something needed to change because it wasn't long after this that Jones tried something new and it worked, but maybe people could just do it without going immediately to a billion on the abuse scale, like grown ups. We live in hope28
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the approach and selection and tactics were appalling and we were utterly terrible that first half of the season - and the mistakes he was making went on to long
I wanted him to go because I didn’t believe he would make the changes in approach we needed, he seemed too egoistical and stubborn (perhaps we could have gone up top 2 if he’d been quicker to act!)
But he did and I’m so happy he did and he completely proved me wrong, I really didn’t see that happening… The run he’s taken us on the second half was beyond anything I could have imagined and to then see it through… fair ****ing play Jonesy!!!And I doth my cap to Callum again for his foresight and being so bold in backing him, and also the guy who I bet with at the time we wouldn’t make the play offs! I will be so bloody happy to pay out on that today!
finally I do think we’ll need to improve a lot next season and I’ll be interested to see what Jonesy does… I don’t think we’ll get away with playing the way we have even in the 2nd half of This season in terms of approach next year, we’ll need to have more facets to our game… but I’ll back Jones to make us hard to beat and it would be lovely if he could finally sort out Bermondsey9 -
I'm still coming to grips with having a "big personality" manager, as the likes of Lennie, Curbs, SCP and manager Bowyer were all much calmer characters, with no desire to be in the spotlight.
Indeed it's quite a contrast with the other promoted clubs, Birmingham and Wrexham, who both have big personality owners, and quiet managers. Parky just gets on with his job, while I struggle to remember who the Birmingham manager is, he's such a low profile individual!6 -
Just leaving this here....
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Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with the club before joining as a manager. Hence where all of this Charlton people being in charge sentiment comes from.1 -
He was an in house promotion having been brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.JustFloydRoad said:
Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative.1 -
I would, however that is the same as saying Chris Solly/Jason Pierce being PLPs (even though both have worn the shirt) are still Charlton people.swordfish said:
He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.JustFloydRoad said:
Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
*Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.
For a whole club POV Karen Hills, although doing a good job, hasn’t won anything of note with our Women's side as of yet.0 - Sponsored links:
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Jackson did work out in the dugout…JustFloydRoad said:
*Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.swordfish said:
He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.JustFloydRoad said:
Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*0 -
Look I'm happy to concede that in house elevations count, but I don't accept that, because we've only enjoyed success in the modern era under a manager with past Charlton connections, an outside manager couldn't. The right appointmemt could, but I'd prefer them to have that past connection.JustFloydRoad said:
I would, however that is the same as saying Chris Solly/Jason Pierce being PLPs (even though both have worn the shirt) are still Charlton people.swordfish said:
He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.JustFloydRoad said:
Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
*Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.
For a whole club POV Karen Hills, although doing a good job, hasn’t won anything of note with our Women's side as of yet.
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Jones did a magnificent job to turn our season around. It might not be quite on the same scale as Barnsley's in 2016, but as the table below shows, it's still very impressive. Take a bow, sir.
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Interesting stats there. Man City in '99 is one that springs out aside from ours this year. Other clubs with large fanbases just shows 3rd tier is a trap for any club that finds itself in a bit of bother.1
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I remember posting on this thread in the aftermath of Crawley saying it didn’t matter if we sacked NJ as I didn’t trust Methven and Scott to appoint a worthy successor. We were told the owners got involved in the appointment of NJ and they must’ve backed him when results were bad. At the same time Methven was busy telling everyone he wasn’t involved in football matters even though he was CEO, which was such weak leadership. Methven is nothing more than a professional handbrake for any club and I’m glad he’s gone. You sense that NJ is now in complete control of what he needs to be and everyone is pulling in the same direction.3
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When he managed the U21s all those years ago, you got the impression that those kids would run through brick walls for him...
After seeing his speech in the dressing room at Wembley on Sunday, you can see why...
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I don't think thats proof, more of a coincidence.ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
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Happy Birthday Gaffer!!0
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Also, Alan Pardew :PKindoncasella said:
I don't think thats proof, more of a coincidence.ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything1 -
For AFC Wimbeldon (I always argue he would of done it for us if given time)paulsturgess said:
Jackson did work out in the dugout…JustFloydRoad said:
*Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.swordfish said:
He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.JustFloydRoad said:
Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.The Red Robin said:
Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).swordfish said:
Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet.NorthheathAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.
Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
Posted his photo out of respect.
My point was he ended up getting sacked (for us) without winning anything.
Hence wouldn't fit the narrative of this:
(Can add the gaffer's picture now)2
