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Thierry Small - one year option triggered and longer deal under discussion (p11)

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  • Chizz said:
    Question: who would sign TS if Charlton don't get promoted? 

    The background to this is simple: if Charlton are in L1 next season, the best place for him to be playing, week in, week out, is for promotion-chasing Charlton. Which bigger club (bigger than Charlton, that is) would be looking to sign a player that's just failed to get promoted from L1? 

    I can't help thinking that, if Charlton were to have to face another season in L1, then Charlton is exactly where he should be playing. 
    He’ll have his pick of many championship teams
  • With TS missing the last few games, I can't help my glass-half-empty head probably reading far too much into this, but here's my headspace conspirosy theory: 

    With his contract coming to an end, he's already told NJ he'll be leaving in the summer. NJ naturally wants players out there that will give 100% and prepared to go over the top, (Blackadder style) but fears that Small will hold back, in fear of getting injured. Let's also remember that before his "injury" he was hardly pulling up any trees for the last few matches he played in. 

    I'm sure I'm just bing a nervous ninny and seeing things that simply are not there, but I can't shake that small crumb that could be right.  :/

    Saying that, I still thing a half-hearted TS is better than no TS.
    Except Tennai, the player he replaced Small with, is also out of contract at the end of the season and will almost certainly be moving on. Not much point replacing a player heading to pastures new with a player heading to pastures new
  • With TS missing the last few games, I can't help my glass-half-empty head probably reading far too much into this, but here's my headspace conspirosy theory: 

    With his contract coming to an end, he's already told NJ he'll be leaving in the summer. NJ naturally wants players out there that will give 100% and prepared to go over the top, (Blackadder style) but fears that Small will hold back, in fear of getting injured. Let's also remember that before his "injury" he was hardly pulling up any trees for the last few matches he played in. 

    I'm sure I'm just bing a nervous ninny and seeing things that simply are not there, but I can't shake that small crumb that could be right.  :/

    Saying that, I still thing a half-hearted TS is better than no TS.
    Except Tennai, the player he replaced Small with, is also out of contract at the end of the season and will almost certainly be moving on. Not much point replacing a player heading to pastures new with a player heading to pastures new
    Except that Tennai in an interview said he'd love his career to continue at Charlton. Small has not. Also, I believe it's been said on CL that Small has an academy set up somewhere in the Midlands. So, he might be looking for a move up there anyway... 
  • Chizz said:
    Question: who would sign TS if Charlton don't get promoted? 

    The background to this is simple: if Charlton are in L1 next season, the best place for him to be playing, week in, week out, is for promotion-chasing Charlton. Which bigger club (bigger than Charlton, that is) would be looking to sign a player that's just failed to get promoted from L1? 

    I can't help thinking that, if Charlton were to have to face another season in L1, then Charlton is exactly where he should be playing. 
    I think there are plenty of Championship clubs who’ll see him as initially back up but with a higher ceiling. Plenty. 
  • Small was lapping up the chants and applause from the Charlton fans yesterday as he warmed up during the game.
  • Chants don't buy you money or houses though
  • Chizz said:
    Question: who would sign TS if Charlton don't get promoted? 

    The background to this is simple: if Charlton are in L1 next season, the best place for him to be playing, week in, week out, is for promotion-chasing Charlton. Which bigger club (bigger than Charlton, that is) would be looking to sign a player that's just failed to get promoted from L1? 

    I can't help thinking that, if Charlton were to have to face another season in L1, then Charlton is exactly where he should be playing. 
    I think there are plenty of Championship clubs who’ll see him as initially back up but with a higher ceiling. Plenty. 
    Maybe. And, honestly, I hope the Championship team he plays for next season is Charlton. But, would he really be considered for enough in a season in which he'd failed to get promoted from the third division, would there really be Championship clubs desperate to make a gamble? 

    From my point of view, he'd be better off playing week in week out for Charlton - in L1 or the Championship - next season, than playing half the games in the season for Preston or Hull.
  • SteveACS said:
    With TS missing the last few games, I can't help my glass-half-empty head probably reading far too much into this, but here's my headspace conspirosy theory: 

    With his contract coming to an end, he's already told NJ he'll be leaving in the summer. NJ naturally wants players out there that will give 100% and prepared to go over the top, (Blackadder style) but fears that Small will hold back, in fear of getting injured. Let's also remember that before his "injury" he was hardly pulling up any trees for the last few matches he played in. 

    I'm sure I'm just bing a nervous ninny and seeing things that simply are not there, but I can't shake that small crumb that could be right.  :/

    Saying that, I still thing a half-hearted TS is better than no TS.
    Except Tennai, the player he replaced Small with, is also out of contract at the end of the season and will almost certainly be moving on. Not much point replacing a player heading to pastures new with a player heading to pastures new
    Except that Tennai in an interview said he'd love his career to continue at Charlton. Small has not. Also, I believe it's been said on CL that Small has an academy set up somewhere in the Midlands. So, he might be looking for a move up there anyway... 
    I've no doubt Tennai wants to stay but there's no way Jones is dropping one of our most talented players for a player he's barely played this season and will most likely be releasing shortly, and doing that for potentially key games in our season.
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  • Chizz said:
    Chizz said:
    Question: who would sign TS if Charlton don't get promoted? 

    The background to this is simple: if Charlton are in L1 next season, the best place for him to be playing, week in, week out, is for promotion-chasing Charlton. Which bigger club (bigger than Charlton, that is) would be looking to sign a player that's just failed to get promoted from L1? 

    I can't help thinking that, if Charlton were to have to face another season in L1, then Charlton is exactly where he should be playing. 
    I think there are plenty of Championship clubs who’ll see him as initially back up but with a higher ceiling. Plenty. 
    Maybe. And, honestly, I hope the Championship team he plays for next season is Charlton. But, would he really be considered for enough in a season in which he'd failed to get promoted from the third division, would there really be Championship clubs desperate to make a gamble? 

    From my point of view, he'd be better off playing week in week out for Charlton - in L1 or the Championship - next season, than playing half the games in the season for Preston or Hull.
    I don’t think anyone really disagrees with that, but footballers by nature are confident in themselves. Outside of the obvious financial benefits, Small will back himself to break into championship sides so that isn’t going to put him off moving 
  • SteveACS said:
    With TS missing the last few games, I can't help my glass-half-empty head probably reading far too much into this, but here's my headspace conspirosy theory: 

    With his contract coming to an end, he's already told NJ he'll be leaving in the summer. NJ naturally wants players out there that will give 100% and prepared to go over the top, (Blackadder style) but fears that Small will hold back, in fear of getting injured. Let's also remember that before his "injury" he was hardly pulling up any trees for the last few matches he played in. 

    I'm sure I'm just bing a nervous ninny and seeing things that simply are not there, but I can't shake that small crumb that could be right.  :/

    Saying that, I still thing a half-hearted TS is better than no TS.
    Except Tennai, the player he replaced Small with, is also out of contract at the end of the season and will almost certainly be moving on. Not much point replacing a player heading to pastures new with a player heading to pastures new
    Except that Tennai in an interview said he'd love his career to continue at Charlton. Small has not. Also, I believe it's been said on CL that Small has an academy set up somewhere in the Midlands. So, he might be looking for a move up there anyway... 
    I've no doubt Tennai wants to stay but there's no way Jones is dropping one of our most talented players for a player he's barely played this season and will most likely be releasing shortly, and doing that for potentially key games in our season.
    Tennai unfortunately offers us nothing going forward and when Small doesn’t play TC is our only attacking threat - A semi fit Small should start of Tennai. 
  • AndyG said:
    I think if we get promoted he signs a new contract if we don’t he goes 
    I think he's probably off either way tbh, even if we go up a more established Championship club will probably think it's a cheap punt for a good young player, and they'll be able to offer better wages.

    Even he does go it was a good signing - young player on a free, 18 good months and then we still get a bit of compensation due to his age.  Need to be making more signings in that mould.
  • SteveACS said:
    With TS missing the last few games, I can't help my glass-half-empty head probably reading far too much into this, but here's my headspace conspirosy theory: 

    With his contract coming to an end, he's already told NJ he'll be leaving in the summer. NJ naturally wants players out there that will give 100% and prepared to go over the top, (Blackadder style) but fears that Small will hold back, in fear of getting injured. Let's also remember that before his "injury" he was hardly pulling up any trees for the last few matches he played in. 

    I'm sure I'm just bing a nervous ninny and seeing things that simply are not there, but I can't shake that small crumb that could be right.  :/

    Saying that, I still thing a half-hearted TS is better than no TS.
    Except Tennai, the player he replaced Small with, is also out of contract at the end of the season and will almost certainly be moving on. Not much point replacing a player heading to pastures new with a player heading to pastures new
    Except that Tennai in an interview said he'd love his career to continue at Charlton. Small has not. Also, I believe it's been said on CL that Small has an academy set up somewhere in the Midlands. So, he might be looking for a move up there anyway... 
    the club has also stated that they have been in talks with small, that’s why he might be silent

    watson on the other hand is very likely to be moving on and maybe hasnt heard from the club and is making noise as a reminder of his existence 
  • YTS1978 said:
    Contrary to a lot on here I actually quite like Watson. He's not as dynamic as Small, but he's tidy, can defend and gets up and down the pitch. He's no world beater, but I think Jones likes him too. Was probably the most improved player last season under NJ but has been a bit unlucky with injuries this season. You can see with that run at wrexham or that pass against Burton that he has something about him. Not saying I'd sign him up for next year. But he's contributing at the moment and seems like a decent lad.
    I think because he's more disciplined defensively, it allows more scope for Ramsay to get forward, and influence the game more...
  • YTS1978 said:
    Contrary to a lot on here I actually quite like Watson. He's not as dynamic as Small, but he's tidy, can defend and gets up and down the pitch. He's no world beater, but I think Jones likes him too. Was probably the most improved player last season under NJ but has been a bit unlucky with injuries this season. You can see with that run at wrexham or that pass against Burton that he has something about him. Not saying I'd sign him up for next year. But he's contributing at the moment and seems like a decent lad.
    I'm with you on this. I think his main problem is that while he's perfectly decent he's in and around the likes of Small, Edwards and Ramsay and those comparisons are never going to flatter him.

    He probably is the third or fourth best fullback we've got but only because the others are just that good.
  • edited 3:35PM
    YTS1978 said:
    Contrary to a lot on here I actually quite like Watson. He's not as dynamic as Small, but he's tidy, can defend and gets up and down the pitch. He's no world beater, but I think Jones likes him too. Was probably the most improved player last season under NJ but has been a bit unlucky with injuries this season. You can see with that run at wrexham or that pass against Burton that he has something about him. Not saying I'd sign him up for next year. But he's contributing at the moment and seems like a decent lad.
    Watson is the epitome of a bang average League One footballer. You can have one or two of those in a team and still get promoted, the issue with Watson is the way Small can play that right wing back position and what he offers going forwards has become absolutely key to how we setup. That gets really highlighted when you have to replace Small with a player like Watson who simply cannot come close to doing everything Small offers when on form. It's no coincidence that we have failed to score twice in the three games that Small has been unable to start and that TC has looked less threatening as everything has to go through him and he can be double and triple marked.
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