5-pts off Wrexham (and possibly Wycombe) now, if you take into account the fact we were always going to need a win against them - Just need two other teams to do us a favour... We overhauled Barnsley within 4-games who were 8-pts ahead of us after we lost 4-2 at Rotherham.
Wycombe still have three other tough games around us as well, when they finish the season
Not over by a long stretch
It’s 8pts unless we win both of those games which is more unlikely than likely. Even a draw at Wrexham requires three slip ups from their seven other games against not great opposition.
Fully understand stranger things have happened.
We were at a small chance before today and really couldn’t have afforded the slip up.
Yeah I'm still looking at the points deficit after we beat them, as there is no point thinking about 2nd if we don't win those two games - I don't think any of the 2nd - 5th will win all their remaining games, and today looked the most likely that I thought we would / could lose
Thought we'd end on 88-pts after Wigan, which means we can now afford to draw one other match
Would take the top6 if given now. It isn't over, and top2 is still mathematically possible, but just isn't likely.
I am genuinely a bit worried we lose to Huddersfield at home and will be looking over our shoulders.
In the last 20 we have managed 5 wins against them, another side that seem to just get the better of us most of the time, lost our last 5 in a row vs these. Can't ignore that they have a lot of quality players as well and absolutely pummeled a Crawley side we struggled against a bit imo.
I know there's a view that we hit form at the right time, but I still stand by what I said that we were riding luck a bit in the last few games, and I think we are gonna lose some steam.
I'd take a draw to keep them at bay and focus on the more winnable games like Mansfield, Cambridge, Northampton etc.
1997-98 Promoted to F.A. Premier League after play-offs (SF Ipswich Town 0
Charlton Athletic 1, Chartlton Athletic 1 Ipswich Town 0 - Agg
2-0), F Charlton Athletic 4 Sunderland 4 @ Wembley, Charlton
Athletic won 7-6 on penalties)
1999 Relegated to Football League Division One
1999-00 Football League Champions
Promoted to F.A. Premier League
2007 Relegated to Football League Championship
2009 Relegated to League One
2009-10 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Swindon Town 2 Charlton Athletic 1,
Charlton Athletic 2 Swindon Town 1 - Agg 5-5, Swindon Town won 5-4
on penalties)
2011-12 Football League One Champions
Promoted to Championship
2016 Relegated to Football League One
2016-17 Football League renamed English Football League
2017-18 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Charlton Athletic 0 Shrewsbury Town
1, Shrewsbury Town 1 Charlton Athletic 0 - Agg 0-2
2018-19 Promoted to Championship after play-offs (SF Doncaster Rovers 1
Charlton Athletic 2, Charlton Athletic 2 Doncaster Rovers 3,
Aggregate 4-4, Charlton Athletic won 4-3 on penalties, F Charlton
Athletic 2 Sunderland 1 @ Wembley Stadium)
Last team I want to face in the play offs is Bolton. After beating them twice in both league games the law of averages says to me we wouldn’t do it again
What a strange way to look at it. After beating them twice we know that we have what it takes to beat them. If we can field our best team we should be confident, especially if we’re at home in the 2nd leg.
The home leg being the second one ought to be beneficial, but then in 2019 we won in Doncaster and lost at home, resulting in penalties.
Being at home definitely helped us in the shootout but then Liverpool lost their shootout at home last week.
Something that I have always though was strange is that if a game goes into extra time then the home team has an advantage, which is not the same for the away team who had home advantage in the 1st leg. Nothing that can be done about it unless the game goes straight to pens.....but it has always made me think that this is another advantage of playing the 2nd leg at home - an extra 30 mins on front of the home fans.
It's an advantage you get for coming 3rd or 4th in the playoffs rather than 6th or 5th
But what about any other 2-legged tie ? FA Cup or Champions League matches for example. They aren't "position" based. In fact, the FA Cup is even more unfair. Games this season that have gone straight to Extra Time & then penalties have massively favoured the home team, which doesn't help a small team facing a much larger one - say Lincoln away to Liverpool.
I know nothing can be done about and I'm just musing that having extra time after a 2--leg tie massively favours the team at home in the 2nd leg.
A team that finishes 3rd should have an advantage over a team that finishes 6th - and the same for 4th over 5th.
The Champions League is to an extent position based - teams that do well in the group stage get home advantage second leg in the round of 16.
I'm not sure it massively favours the home team anyway in the second leg if it goes to extra time - the pressure on the home team from the home crowd having failed to take venue advantage levels the paying field to a large degree. I agree the FA Cup is unfair to the smaller team drawn away and was never in favour of scrapping replays (at least one).
I quite like a playoff structure that rewards clubs that do finish 3rd and 4th over 5th and 6th. If we look. for example, at the Championship, we have a situation where Burnley in third are 21 points ahead of the side in 6th, WBA - the former has lost just 2 games all season whereas Coventry, in fifth, have lost 13 matches.
The one, specifically, that I think works better is:
3rd plays 4th and the winner automatically goes into the play off final. The loser of that tie then plays the winner of 5th versus 6th to determine who also reaches the final.
Does anyone know why the old play off format was scrapped?
3rd, 4th and 5th from the league below plus 4th bottom from the league above.
From memory that was only used for the two seasons when they were shrinking the league from 22 to 20 (and only for div1/div2 playoffs, not the lower leagues). The alternative would have been bottom 4 down.
It's an exciting format though. I think they should reintroduce it
No. Relegation play-offs are always used as an excuse to decrease promotion places. Nothing exciting about that.
Making the schoolboy error of looking at the current table, I see that we're 8 (eight) points behind second place, so we need to get nine more points than Wrexham do in the run in to displace them. And regardless of who's playing who, that still holds true.
It's play off's at best I think and 🤞we don't get edged out of the top 6. Unlike some, I'm not expecting Wrexham to falter. Been making a habit out of getting promoted in recent seasons, so know what it takes.
If you treat play off semi finals as a coin flip, you’re looking at a 40-45% chance of a return trip to Wembley for us as things currently stand.
After the weekend loss our chance of playoffs actually increased to 86% (according to the boffins at Opta) but our automatics dropped from 10% to less than 3%.
I think people need to stop panicking. Yes it was a bad day at the office but our form since the start of 2025 is still really good. We've lost 3 of our last 21 games. Relax!
Everyone is also forgetting that the other play off chasing sides aren't exactly tearing up trees either.
Wycombe - 3 wins in 9, and have a terrible run in. Stockport - 3 wins in 8. Huddersfield - 5 wins in 16, went 2.5 months without scoring at home. Bolton - 2 wins in 5, lost their last 2. Reading - 4 wins in 14.
Post weekend results and form/run in considered I think we will finish 3rd, Wycombe will be 4th/5th, Stockport 4th/5th and Bolton 6th. We were never going to win every game and Huddersfield will feel the backlash.
Think it would take a spectacular downturn to not finish top 6. 2nd is harder to predict as think every team will have the odd loss here and there, we're just banking on the two W's having more odd losses and us beating them. Think Wycombe might actually fall away as they seem to love a draw recently. Would back us to do well in play offs anyway
Need to bounce back against Huddersfield & then take that into the game against Mansfield next Tuesday. Do not want to have 2 or 3 games without a win or we will soon have Bolton & Reading snapping at our heels.
Despite our inconsistent form at the beginnng of the season, Huddersfield are the only team who can ‘double’ us this season (win both games in a season). Only Birmingham and Stockport have not been ‘doubled’ to date. Even more reason to get a result Saturday.
That’s just a bad thumbnail, they actually have us pretty much certain for play offs
Yeah it’s more like - Charlton aren’t in the race for top two or top six anymore because they’re basically nailed on for 3rd - 6th so let’s talk about the scrambles for 2nd (between Wycombe and Wrexham) and 6th (between Huddersfield, Bolton, Reading, Orient) instead.
I think going back to doing our business and picking up the results quietly suits us well.
Only thing Nathan will be concentrating on is the next game in hand, shame that club didn't respond to early KO with reduced ticket prices to try and get best crowd possible. A Fortress Valley on the day can really help the Addicks. Strange league as only 8th Reading, 15th Posh, 16th Reading are unbeaten in last 6 games, so there is no such thing in League one as an easy game. I'm sure Nathan is banging his head against the wall repeating this message, he has told the players that next 2 months he wants sacrifices so be good to see club also do their bit to bring in as big a crowd as possible by reducing ticket prices ....fingers crossed we get across the line for play off Semis first legs on Saturday 10 May, before the second legs are played on 14-15 May. Then who knows? If gods are with us the dream is a fourth play off final on May 25th!
From the thumbnail we’re not even in the picture for playoffs, I mean seriously…
I'd guess they erroneously stuck the Blackpool badge there instead of ours. Blackpool are on the beach already so not in playoff contention at all.
In the pod they actually give Blackpool a stronger chance than Orient of sneaking in but say both are highly unlikely - same with Reading who’s minds have been and will be elsewhere.
They reasoned that it’s likely Huddersfield or Bolton for 6th, unless our form or Stockport’s falls off a cliff and it becomes a three horse race for 5th and 6th.
Seeming as though we might have to win all of our last seven games to have a go at second now. That would give us 90 points.
If we did so, we’d have to hope that Wrexham pick up no more than 12 points from their other six games and that Wycombe get no more than 15 from their other seven.
Wrexham’s other six: Cambridge (A), Burton (H), Wigan (A), Bristol Rovers (H), Blackpool (A), Lincoln (A)
Got no confidence in Huddersfield beating Wycombe.
Burton could be the surprise package for both Wrexham and us... Blackpool are the ideal team to knock points off Wrexham as well, given how they're starting to knock on the door of the Play-Offs
I can’t not see Wrexham easily beating both Burton and Bristol Rovers at home. We need them to drop points at Cambridge and Wigan otherwise they’ll have those 12 points with three games left to play.
And then we’re hoping that Blackpool and Lincoln do the business against them, as well as us winning in North Wales.
Wycombe feel much more catchable with their horrendous run-in. If we can overtake them and secure a home 2nd leg that would be excellent.
I can’t not see Wrexham easily beating both Burton and Bristol Rovers at home. We need them to drop points at Cambridge and Wigan otherwise they’ll have those 12 points with three games left to play.
And then we’re hoping that Blackpool and Lincoln do the business against them, as well as us winning in North Wales.
Wycombe feel much more catchable with their horrendous run-in. If we can overtake them and secure a home 2nd leg that would be excellent.
Wouldn’t we get a home second leg if we finish 3rd or 4th?
Yes we make the play-offs 👏🏼👏🏼 Which will be a fantastic Achievement from where we were when we lost at home to Crawley.
As we are 8 points behind Wrexham with just 7 games to go the top two has definitely gone unless every wheel comes off their Hollywood bandwagon which shows no signs of slowing down.
We are getting closer to Wycombe but a win at Adams Park would be needed to claw the points back in the run in.
To go from "is this our worse squad in living memory" to cementing our place in the top 6 Is a quantum leap though the question never really had any validity but the first 18 games were sub standard overall.
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8 points to make up on Wrexham
6 points to fall out of the mix.
Hopefully this is a blip
I am genuinely a bit worried we lose to Huddersfield at home and will be looking over our shoulders.
In the last 20 we have managed 5 wins against them, another side that seem to just get the better of us most of the time, lost our last 5 in a row vs these. Can't ignore that they have a lot of quality players as well and absolutely pummeled a Crawley side we struggled against a bit imo.
I know there's a view that we hit form at the right time, but I still stand by what I said that we were riding luck a bit in the last few games, and I think we are gonna lose some steam.
I'd take a draw to keep them at bay and focus on the more winnable games like Mansfield, Cambridge, Northampton etc.
we've been in 6 playoffs, 3 semi-final loses & 3 wins, 1 at St Andrews & 2 at Wembley.
1986-87 Maintained status after play-offs (SF - Ipswich Town 0 Charlton Athletic 0, Charlton Athletic 2 Ipswich Town 1 - Agg 2-1, F Charlton Athletic 1 Leeds United 0, Leeds United 1 Charlton Athletic 0 - Agg 1-1, Replay Leeds United 1 Charlton Ath. 2) 1987 Escaped relegation play-off on goal difference
1990 Relegated to Division Two 1992-93 Division Two re-designated Division One on formation of F.A. Premier League
1995-96 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Charlton Athletic 1 Crystal Palace 2, Crystal Palace 1 Charlton Athletic 0 - Agg 1-3)
1997-98 Promoted to F.A. Premier League after play-offs (SF Ipswich Town 0 Charlton Athletic 1, Chartlton Athletic 1 Ipswich Town 0 - Agg 2-0), F Charlton Athletic 4 Sunderland 4 @ Wembley, Charlton Athletic won 7-6 on penalties)
1999 Relegated to Football League Division One 1999-00 Football League Champions Promoted to F.A. Premier League 2007 Relegated to Football League Championship 2009 Relegated to League One
2009-10 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Swindon Town 2 Charlton Athletic 1, Charlton Athletic 2 Swindon Town 1 - Agg 5-5, Swindon Town won 5-4 on penalties) 2011-12 Football League One Champions Promoted to Championship 2016 Relegated to Football League One
2016-17 Football League renamed English Football League 2017-18 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Charlton Athletic 0 Shrewsbury Town 1, Shrewsbury Town 1 Charlton Athletic 0 - Agg 0-2
2018-19 Promoted to Championship after play-offs (SF Doncaster Rovers 1 Charlton Athletic 2, Charlton Athletic 2 Doncaster Rovers 3, Aggregate 4-4, Charlton Athletic won 4-3 on penalties, F Charlton Athletic 2 Sunderland 1 @ Wembley Stadium)
2020 Relegated to League One
’oh,no we won’t win another one because we have won so many already’
’Yeah something’s gotta give. Golfie says so.’
It's play off's at best I think and 🤞we don't get edged out of the top 6. Unlike some, I'm not expecting Wrexham to falter. Been making a habit out of getting promoted in recent seasons, so know what it takes.
The teams behind us still have to maintain form as well.
Top two 10%
3rd-6th 85%
7th-12th 5%
Top two 3%
3rd-6th 86%
7th-12th 11%
Everyone is also forgetting that the other play off chasing sides aren't exactly tearing up trees either.
Wycombe - 3 wins in 9, and have a terrible run in.
Stockport - 3 wins in 8.
Huddersfield - 5 wins in 16, went 2.5 months without scoring at home.
Bolton - 2 wins in 5, lost their last 2.
Reading - 4 wins in 14.
I think going back to doing our business and picking up the results quietly suits us well.
They reasoned that it’s likely Huddersfield or Bolton for 6th, unless our form or Stockport’s falls off a cliff and it becomes a three horse race for 5th and 6th.
If we did so, we’d have to hope that Wrexham pick up no more than 12 points from their other six games and that Wycombe get no more than 15 from their other seven.
Wrexham’s other six: Cambridge (A), Burton (H), Wigan (A), Bristol Rovers (H), Blackpool (A), Lincoln (A)
Wycombe’s other seven: Shrewsbury (H), Reading (A), Huddersfield (A), Stevenage (H), Bolton (A), Orient (A), Stockport (H)
Burton could be the surprise package for both Wrexham and us... Blackpool are the ideal team to knock points off Wrexham as well, given how they're starting to knock on the door of the Play-Offs
Wycombe feel much more catchable with their horrendous run-in. If we can overtake them and secure a home 2nd leg that would be excellent.
Which will be a fantastic Achievement from where we were when we lost at home to Crawley.
As we are 8 points behind Wrexham with just 7 games to go the top two has definitely gone unless every wheel comes off their Hollywood bandwagon which shows no signs of slowing down.
We are getting closer to Wycombe but a win at Adams Park would be needed to claw the points back in the run in.
To go from "is this our worse squad in living memory" to cementing our place in the top 6 Is a quantum leap though the question never really had any validity but the first 18 games were sub standard overall.