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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Let me set the scene, I'm in my kitchen leaning against my marble island in a fashionable regatta style jacket with matching driving gloves and moccasin loafers. I look down at my phone and see your reply, a wry smile spreads across my face as I slowly shake my head.....................ElfsborgAddick said:Radostanradical said:
Disagree big man, not getting play-offs will be a failure IMO. We have no god given right to promotion just because we are a "big" team.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..Disagree Mr Spoons, getting into the play-offs ONLY cannot be seen as success.5 -
Meanwhile, in my studio flat with no windows on a very pleasant favela......Radostanradical said:
Let me set the scene, I'm in my kitchen leaning against my marble island in a fashionable regatta style jacket with matching driving gloves and moccasin loafers. I look down at my phone and see your reply, a wry smile spreads across my face as I slowly shake my head.....................ElfsborgAddick said:Radostanradical said:
Disagree big man, not getting play-offs will be a failure IMO. We have no god given right to promotion just because we are a "big" team.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..Disagree Mr Spoons, getting into the play-offs ONLY cannot be seen as success.5 -
In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur.Croydon said:
What was the bigger picture in appointing Appleton? Every bit of criticism they got last season was well and truly deserved for that calamity of a decision alone. Nothing to do with patience, that was just sheer stupidity on their part.Gribbo said:
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.Chunes said:
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..Within limits you should, in my view, judge owners/management by their ability to accept responsibility and take action to get the business back on track, rather than whether something went wrong in the first place.4 -
Every season we’re in League 1 is a failure. Maybe some of you were fans in the 1920s and see it differently, in which case fair enough. But for the rest of us, League 1 is failure.18
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In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur.Croydon said:
What was the bigger picture in appointing Appleton? Every bit of criticism they got last season was well and truly deserved for that calamity of a decision alone. Nothing to do with patience, that was just sheer stupidity on their part.Gribbo said:
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.Chunes said:
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..Within limits you should, in my view, judge owners/management by their ability to accept responsibility and take action to get the business back on track, rather than whether something went wrong in the first place.
"In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur."
A polite way of saying: shit happens !
'Control the Controllable' is the mantra for many Sports men and women and a favourite buzz words for life coaches and sports Psychologists.
If the interviewing skills of Andy Scott was sharper he would've realised that Charlton Athletic needed a paradigm shift as the club were bleeding cash and in a deep dive.
Michael Appleton was the antithesis of the manager we needed. In fact Micky Apples was head coach and he accepted the job on that basis. Charlton didn't need a hands in the pocket guy on the touchline and being low key.
Nathan Jones is the polar opposite of MA and despite being a lit Catherine wheel he has managed to create synergy with the fan base and the players which didn't seem possible in November and cafc seem aligned now and cross-functional.
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Hiring Appleton, worst league finish in 90 odd years. Football only improves when the owners appoint a manager (not the SMT) and said manager has complete control of footballing matters. Soon there will only be Methven left of the SMT, the man who tries to distance himself from any bad recruitment. We need strong leaders not slippery survivors.Radostanradical said:
And how are they actually doing ? The results on the pitch are paying off, the players they funded the signings for are delivering, the manager they appointed is doing a good job.UEAAddick said:
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
If you have news or evidence of some wrongdoing by the SMT or anyone associated with the running of the club that somehow threatens the clubs future please do share ? I'm sure we are all ears.
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The Yanks came over and threw their weight around, something tells me THEY appointed Jones and the others had minimal input.SouthLincsAddick said:
Hiring Appleton, worst league finish in 90 odd years. Football only improves when the owners appoint a manager (not the SMT) and said manager has complete control of footballing matters. Soon there will only be Methven left of the SMT, the man who tries to distance himself from any bad recruitment. We need strong leaders not slippery survivors.Radostanradical said:
And how are they actually doing ? The results on the pitch are paying off, the players they funded the signings for are delivering, the manager they appointed is doing a good job.UEAAddick said:
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
If you have news or evidence of some wrongdoing by the SMT or anyone associated with the running of the club that somehow threatens the clubs future please do share ? I'm sure we are all ears.
Methven and Gerry Adam's will have rinsed us for a load and done f*** all. Scott as well.
Oh yeah, lowest position in our history whilst constantly reminding us of a top 6 budget. Behave.
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Posted this a couple of months ago. Since 3rd of December… 2 losses.JoshAddick said:I remember reading from Luton fans that it took Jones a few months to find the right formula with them in 17/18. Then it finally clicked at the end of Jan and they only lost 2 games for the rest of the season. Hopefully that’s a similar situation to us, and personally I’m glad we gave him time. We’re on good form, and with guys like Chuks and Ramsay coming back, there’s a genuine chance at top 6 imo.11 -
If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.9
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Funny that the owners changed the reporting structure from the board to them and then the form of the team radically improved with a new formation and style of play. I always sensed there was a power struggle going on behind the scenes between Scott and Jones, we saw a glimpse of that around the late signing of Hylton and Potts. Now a few months later Scott is gone and Jones looks like the successful manager he was when at Luton where he had complete control over everything. Interesting that our most expensive recruit over the summer, Ahadme, can’t even get into the squad when fit, dropped around that same time as the form and reporting structures changed.MuttleyCAFC said:If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.1 - Sponsored links:
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I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of themMuttleyCAFC said:If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment
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The defence improved from NJs early games onwards (after defeat by Reading). It’s what stopped us getting relegated last year (which was plausible under Appleton). Since Northampton he has now got both defence and attack in balance and we are where we are.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of themMuttleyCAFC said:If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment2 -
Because we’ve stopped lumping it up to a big lad and he’s brought pace in .BalladMan said:
The defence improved from NJs early games onwards (after defeat by Reading). It’s what stopped us getting relegated last year (which was plausible under Appleton). Since Northampton he has now got both defence and attack in balance and we are where we are.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of themMuttleyCAFC said:If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment1 -
Think NJ deserves a shout out for great strategy in lending TT to Northampton, helping them slow down one or two of our play-off rivals........ but........ he clearly made big mistake in not holding on to Hector and T Thomas last summer and loaning them both out to Bolton
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The thing is, there's always been pace in the side.wmcf123 said:
Because we’ve stopped lumping it up to a big lad and he’s brought pace in .BalladMan said:
The defence improved from NJs early games onwards (after defeat by Reading). It’s what stopped us getting relegated last year (which was plausible under Appleton). Since Northampton he has now got both defence and attack in balance and we are where we are.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of themMuttleyCAFC said:If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment
After Edwards was injured against Orient, there was a spell when both Campbell and Small were starting every game. I assume that's what you mean by "pace"? And Campbell has started the majority of our games, so, as he's probably the fastest player in the squad, we've always had "pace"...
The difference is, that the pace is now in the right areas. And, probably the key issue is, we now have Jones and Ramsay (arguably 1st and 2nd in the PotY stakes) fit at the same time.
Which has made a massive difference...5 -
Good generals always need luck, as Napoleon almost said. Jones has been lucky with the injuries so far since December. He has to stay lucky until May, in which case we will be promoted.
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I hear that. I was working the other day and my colleagues (who only follow the Premier League) thought we were a League Two side. That is where we are.Uboat said:Every season we’re in League 1 is a failure. Maybe some of you were fans in the 1920s and see it differently, in which case fair enough. But for the rest of us, League 1 is failure.
Having said that if we can build (like Bolton*) and become a side that regularly hits the play off spots then by chance we'll go up.
*without falling into League Two it self.0 -
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Having Campbell and Small wide is what I meant . There was a spell when neither were starting .SteveACS said:
The thing is, there's always been pace in the side.wmcf123 said:
Because we’ve stopped lumping it up to a big lad and he’s brought pace in .BalladMan said:
The defence improved from NJs early games onwards (after defeat by Reading). It’s what stopped us getting relegated last year (which was plausible under Appleton). Since Northampton he has now got both defence and attack in balance and we are where we are.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of themMuttleyCAFC said:If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment
After Edwards was injured against Orient, there was a spell when both Campbell and Small were starting every game. I assume that's what you mean by "pace"? And Campbell has started the majority of our games, so, as he's probably the fastest player in the squad, we've always had "pace"...
The difference is, that the pace is now in the right areas. And, probably the key issue is, we now have Jones and Ramsay (arguably 1st and 2nd in the PotY stakes) fit at the same time.
Which has made a massive difference...0 - Sponsored links:
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Well I have egg on my face about NJ, also Macca and Coventry, jury still out on Docherty. Some deadwood been removed and Ahadme forgotten.
But you have to ask, why we played four months of hoofball and what was the game plan. We could be nailed on 2nd1 -
Jones basically covered it in his Press Conference this week.Gisappointed said:Well I have egg on my face about NJ, also Macca and Coventry, jury still out on Docherty. Some deadwood been removed and Ahadme forgotten.
But you have to ask, why we played four months of hoofball and what was the game plan. We could be nailed on 2nd
The plan was always to make the defence solid after the last couple of years, and then with that achieved, we've been able to work on the game plan going forward
Imagine things would have been settled a lot quicker but for the absence of Jones and Ramsay for so long.8 -
Respect to Bluewater. From a Lakeside fan.Scoham said:4 -
I still can't get my head around the transformation.ForeverAddickted said:
Jones basically covered it in his Press Conference this week.Gisappointed said:Well I have egg on my face about NJ, also Macca and Coventry, jury still out on Docherty. Some deadwood been removed and Ahadme forgotten.
But you have to ask, why we played four months of hoofball and what was the game plan. We could be nailed on 2nd
The plan was always to make the defence solid after the last couple of years, and then with that achieved, we've been able to work on the game plan going forward
Imagine things would have been settled a lot quicker but for the absence of Jones and Ramsay for so long.
I am old enough to have witnessed sides that have started slowly or really struggled but through persistence or tinkering with a basic plan have hit a vein of form and transformed their season.
"Work on the game plan" doesn't come close to explaining this season.
We carried over Nathan's revitilised defence from last season and the hope was in the summer we would bring in the players to makes us a potent attacking force.
What we got was months on end of utterly clueless attacking play with no apparent plan other than pressing the opposition into mistakes. A joyless policy so bereft of effectiveness that eventually even the pressing seemed to be abandoned.
Then a succession of injuries even undermined our defensive reliability.
We were a broken team hoofing it aimlessly in the general direction of Ahadme.
Did Nathan really have the inspired idea to put Small as a right-sided wingback and TC as a forward with licence to drift wide.
This wasn't a simple "working on a game plan" or a "close to being a good side" tinkering.
This was a volte face of seismic proportions.
And now Ahadme, our marquee signing and centre of our game plan has been consigned to the naughty step.
Anyway, maybe I shouldn't dwell on how we got here.
I have my Charlton mojo back and I didn't expect to, so I am going to ride with it.
We're going up.
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We had Leaburn, Jones & Ramsey (anyone else?) out with long term injuries. Since they’ve been back we’ve had a very settled side which has enabled Godden, Small, Campbell & Gillesphey to thrive and Coventry, Docherty and Gillesphey to consolidate their positions. That’s gone a long way towards this. Team spirit is key, which has been building since the beginning of the season but there were the frustrations of key players being out injured. A strong, settled defence has been the key.I think NJ knew this and that was why he did little on anything incoming during the January window. What he did add has benefited us across the board I would say.5
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Or just get promoted this year?JustFloydRoad said:
I hear that. I was working the other day and my colleagues (who only follow the Premier League) thought we were a League Two side. That is where we are.Uboat said:Every season we’re in League 1 is a failure. Maybe some of you were fans in the 1920s and see it differently, in which case fair enough. But for the rest of us, League 1 is failure.
Having said that if we can build (like Bolton*) and become a side that regularly hits the play off spots then by chance we'll go up.
*without falling into League Two it self.
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Sounds like your colleague is just a bit clueless about Football - If they came out with that sort of comment, I'd just roll my eyes and ignore them.JustFloydRoad said:
I hear that. I was working the other day and my colleagues (who only follow the Premier League) thought we were a League Two side. That is where we are.Uboat said:Every season we’re in League 1 is a failure. Maybe some of you were fans in the 1920s and see it differently, in which case fair enough. But for the rest of us, League 1 is failure.
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Did Jones choose Ahadme or was he a Scott enforced signing? The fact that Ahadme absence has coincided with Scott on the way out could be a coincidence?Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I still can't get my head around the transformation.ForeverAddickted said:
Jones basically covered it in his Press Conference this week.Gisappointed said:Well I have egg on my face about NJ, also Macca and Coventry, jury still out on Docherty. Some deadwood been removed and Ahadme forgotten.
But you have to ask, why we played four months of hoofball and what was the game plan. We could be nailed on 2nd
The plan was always to make the defence solid after the last couple of years, and then with that achieved, we've been able to work on the game plan going forward
Imagine things would have been settled a lot quicker but for the absence of Jones and Ramsay for so long.
I am old enough to have witnessed sides that have started slowly or really struggled but through persistence or tinkering with a basic plan have hit a vein of form and transformed their season.
"Work on the game plan" doesn't come close to explaining this season.
We carried over Nathan's revitilised defence from last season and the hope was in the summer we would bring in the players to makes us a potent attacking force.
What we got was months on end of utterly clueless attacking play with no apparent plan other than pressing the opposition into mistakes. A joyless policy so bereft of effectiveness that eventually even the pressing seemed to be abandoned.
Then a succession of injuries even undermined our defensive reliability.
We were a broken team hoofing it aimlessly in the general direction of Ahadme.
Did Nathan really have the inspired idea to put Small as a right-sided wingback and TC as a forward with licence to drift wide.
This wasn't a simple "working on a game plan" or a "close to being a good side" tinkering.
This was a volte face of seismic proportions.
And now Ahadme, our marquee signing and centre of our game plan has been consigned to the naughty step.
Anyway, maybe I shouldn't dwell on how we got here.
I have my Charlton mojo back and I didn't expect to, so I am going to ride with it.
We're going up.He is not getting into the squad and clear that Jones does not rate him.I think we have found this specific configuration by accident (neccessity?) but it was all built on a solid defence. If we had not had this solid defence no amount of tinkering up front would have given us the solidity we now see.0 -
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Ok. I’ll just leave this here. I still think he’s a pork pie short of a picnic and I can’t listen to him without my teeth grinding but there’s definitely something going on. Fair play after the pit we were in that he’s got us to where we are now.I managed to get to the Valley for the Wrexham pantomime after my enforced absence and I really didn’t like what I saw and felt in therms of the mood around the place. That (end October) was the beginning of the real fall off the cliff that could (and if we are being honest, probably should) have culminated in Jones being shown the door. By luck, judgement or desperation (or maybe all three) we are now in a different place and I doff my cap to him.
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