wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now? Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
No promotion this season will be another failure.
Disagree big man, not getting play-offs will be a failure IMO. We have no god given right to promotion just because we are a "big" team.
Disagree Mr Spoons, getting into the play-offs ONLY cannot be seen as success.
Let me set the scene, I'm in my kitchen leaning against my marble island in a fashionable regatta style jacket with matching driving gloves and moccasin loafers. I look down at my phone and see your reply, a wry smile spreads across my face as I slowly shake my head.....................
wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now? Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
No promotion this season will be another failure.
Disagree big man, not getting play-offs will be a failure IMO. We have no god given right to promotion just because we are a "big" team.
Disagree Mr Spoons, getting into the play-offs ONLY cannot be seen as success.
Let me set the scene, I'm in my kitchen leaning against my marble island in a fashionable regatta style jacket with matching driving gloves and moccasin loafers. I look down at my phone and see your reply, a wry smile spreads across my face as I slowly shake my head.....................
Meanwhile, in my studio flat with no windows on a very pleasant favela......
wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now? Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.
What was the bigger picture in appointing Appleton? Every bit of criticism they got last season was well and truly deserved for that calamity of a decision alone. Nothing to do with patience, that was just sheer stupidity on their part.
In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur.
Within limits you should, in my view, judge owners/management by their ability to accept responsibility and take action to get the business back on track, rather than whether something went wrong in the first place.
Every season we’re in League 1 is a failure. Maybe some of you were fans in the 1920s and see it differently, in which case fair enough. But for the rest of us, League 1 is failure.
wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now? Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.
What was the bigger picture in appointing Appleton? Every bit of criticism they got last season was well and truly deserved for that calamity of a decision alone. Nothing to do with patience, that was just sheer stupidity on their part.
In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur.
Within limits you should, in my view, judge owners/management by their ability to accept responsibility and take action to get the business back on track, rather than whether something went wrong in the first place.
"In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur."
A polite way of saying: shit happens !
'Control the Controllable' is the mantra for many Sports men and women and a favourite buzz words for life coaches and sports Psychologists.
If the interviewing skills of Andy Scott was sharper he would've realised that Charlton Athletic needed a paradigm shift as the club were bleeding cash and in a deep dive. Michael Appleton was the antithesis of the manager we needed. In fact Micky Apples was head coach and he accepted the job on that basis. Charlton didn't need a hands in the pocket guy on the touchline and being low key.
Nathan Jones is the polar opposite of MA and despite being a lit Catherine wheel he has managed to create synergy with the fan base and the players which didn't seem possible in November and cafc seem aligned now and cross-functional.
wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now? Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.
And how are they actually doing ? The results on the pitch are paying off, the players they funded the signings for are delivering, the manager they appointed is doing a good job.
If you have news or evidence of some wrongdoing by the SMT or anyone associated with the running of the club that somehow threatens the clubs future please do share ? I'm sure we are all ears.
Hiring Appleton, worst league finish in 90 odd years. Football only improves when the owners appoint a manager (not the SMT) and said manager has complete control of footballing matters. Soon there will only be Methven left of the SMT, the man who tries to distance himself from any bad recruitment. We need strong leaders not slippery survivors.
wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now? Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.
And how are they actually doing ? The results on the pitch are paying off, the players they funded the signings for are delivering, the manager they appointed is doing a good job.
If you have news or evidence of some wrongdoing by the SMT or anyone associated with the running of the club that somehow threatens the clubs future please do share ? I'm sure we are all ears.
Hiring Appleton, worst league finish in 90 odd years. Football only improves when the owners appoint a manager (not the SMT) and said manager has complete control of footballing matters. Soon there will only be Methven left of the SMT, the man who tries to distance himself from any bad recruitment. We need strong leaders not slippery survivors.
The Yanks came over and threw their weight around, something tells me THEY appointed Jones and the others had minimal input. Methven and Gerry Adam's will have rinsed us for a load and done f*** all. Scott as well. Oh yeah, lowest position in our history whilst constantly reminding us of a top 6 budget. Behave.
I remember reading from Luton fans that it took Jones a few months to find the right formula with them in 17/18. Then it finally clicked at the end of Jan and they only lost 2 games for the rest of the season. Hopefully that’s a similar situation to us, and personally I’m glad we gave him time. We’re on good form, and with guys like Chuks and Ramsay coming back, there’s a genuine chance at top 6 imo.
Posted this a couple of months ago. Since 3rd of December… 2 losses.
If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
Funny that the owners changed the reporting structure from the board to them and then the form of the team radically improved with a new formation and style of play. I always sensed there was a power struggle going on behind the scenes between Scott and Jones, we saw a glimpse of that around the late signing of Hylton and Potts. Now a few months later Scott is gone and Jones looks like the successful manager he was when at Luton where he had complete control over everything. Interesting that our most expensive recruit over the summer, Ahadme, can’t even get into the squad when fit, dropped around that same time as the form and reporting structures changed.
If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of them
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment
If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of them
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment
The defence improved from NJs early games onwards (after defeat by Reading). It’s what stopped us getting relegated last year (which was plausible under Appleton). Since Northampton he has now got both defence and attack in balance and we are where we are.
If Jones had been sacked in early December we would all be talking about him as a poor appointment. That was my mindset at the time being honest. I decided we can't keep sacking managers but if Luton had nicked him at that time, I wouldn't have been too upset. It is wrong to say a previous manager, like say Holden, couldn't have had a positive outcome given more time. I have to eat some humble pie and say that where we are now is a credit to Jones and those responsible for not sacking him.
I don’t think there were many signs of progress under Holden, Garner or Jackson, with Jones we could see the improvement in defence straight away this season. I think giving any of them time would have meant we didn’t keep regressing like we did, but we wouldn’t be doing as well as we are now because Nathan Jones is simply a much better manager than the 3 of them
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment
The defence improved from NJs early games onwards (after defeat by Reading). It’s what stopped us getting relegated last year (which was plausible under Appleton). Since Northampton he has now got both defence and attack in balance and we are where we are.
Because we’ve stopped lumping it up to a big lad and he’s brought pace in .
Think NJ deserves a shout out for great strategy in lending TT to Northampton, helping them slow down one or two of our play-off rivals........ but........ he clearly made big mistake in not holding on to Hector and T Thomas last summer and loaning them both out to Bolton
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"In my career I always accepted events would always occur at some stage that disrupted successful deliverables and planned to expect them to occur."
A polite way of saying: shit happens !
'Control the Controllable' is the mantra for many Sports men and women and a favourite buzz words for life coaches and sports Psychologists.
If the interviewing skills of Andy Scott was sharper he would've realised that Charlton Athletic needed a paradigm shift as the club were bleeding cash and in a deep dive.
Michael Appleton was the antithesis of the manager we needed. In fact Micky Apples was head coach and he accepted the job on that basis. Charlton didn't need a hands in the pocket guy on the touchline and being low key.
Nathan Jones is the polar opposite of MA and despite being a lit Catherine wheel he has managed to create synergy with the fan base and the players which didn't seem possible in November and cafc seem aligned now and cross-functional.
Methven and Gerry Adam's will have rinsed us for a load and done f*** all. Scott as well.
Oh yeah, lowest position in our history whilst constantly reminding us of a top 6 budget. Behave.
To do well as a club you need to get a good manager, recruit well for them and then stick with them. Previously we were appointing managers that weren’t good enough or weren’t ready, recruiting poorly and not sticking with them. So I don’t think giving the other managers time would have worked because they weren’t good enough and neither was the recruitment