Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.
I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
Comments
-
Well Scott has been binned off completely and Charlie M and Big Jim are both very sensibly keeping heads well below the parapet and out of view. As long as things keep going well that seems sustainable enough, but I wouldn't say they can take THAT much credit when their main role seems to be taking money off the actual owners and letting Jones get on with his job.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..0 -
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..17 -
What haters of the ownership are you on about? I do not recall any especial criticism of the majority owners at all.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..If you are referring to Methven as a minority owners and other members of his SMT, I don't think feelings have changed at all.
Speaking for myself I think that they have yet to prove that they earn their wages. I remain unconvinced there is a viable financial plan for any division.
Like every fan i hope for promotion. I also hope that promotion will allow the current SMT to realise whatever profit they need to jog on and allow us to employ senior staff who demonstrably earn their keep and move the club on to a higher level in the championship and beyond.14 -
NJ didn't appoint himself, so someone or several, either in the SMT or under instruction from the owners, is also deserving of credit for selecting and sticking by him. Who?SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..0 -
And we were told the owners took a more hands on role in the recruitment of NJ. They also reshuffled the board reporting lines just before our upturn in form. From the outside the owners seem to be on the ball. I’m still not convinced about our SMT. One has been sacked, another is reported to be looking for other opportunities and Charlie introduced the whole tech director/head coach system that hired Appleton. The fact that CM tries to distance himself from any bad news is really concerning, we need strong leadership at the club not people who just want to survive.swordfish said:
NJ didn't appoint himself, so someone or several, either in the SMT or under instruction from the owners, is also deserving of credit for selecting and sticking by him. Who?SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..2 -
Some real pathetic attempts at goading on this thread.
Charlton are winning and looking likely to end the season strong, but people are focused on, or still want their 'got ya' moments. Are you happier that Charlton are doing well, or are you happier that your view may be correct on a footballing forum? That question is aimed at whoever may feel it is aimed at.
The ownership still needs to do more, the management structure still haven't done enough. Jones, the coaches, and all individual players improving get the credit here, not the suits and ties.
"Even a broken clock is right twice a day"19 -
Will your grandma be available to collect her medal on Sunday 25th May?daveydanger said:Callumcafc said:
Are you telling me that if we were to win all 30 of our remaining games playing like we did at Burton or Shrewsbury and finish the season on 112 points, you’d still have complaints about the style of football?Stig said:
1. I absolutely resent the accusation that I'm not being honest. I'm telling things how they are for me. I think they are the same for many for others too. I may be wrong about what others think, but there's no way on earth I'm not being honest; what I tell you about how I feel about this is exactly how it is.Callumcafc said:
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.paulsturgess said:
Repeat a question from before.Callumcafc said:
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.Stig said:
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.Callumcafc said:
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…eaststandmike said:
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.Callumcafc said:
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.hezzla said:I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
People don’t care. If you win.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98453/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-bolton-wanderers-saturday-24th-august-2024-ko-15-00/p1
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98413/match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-leyton-orient-saturday-17th-august-2024-ko-12-30/p10
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/98415/post-match-thread-charlton-athletic-v-leyton-orient-saturday-17th-august-2024-ko-12-30/p1
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.
2. You're right about us losing, I don't like it when we're not winning.
3. You're completely wrong about style of play. I hate this turgid boring football and I hate it regardless of whether we were winning or losing. Football is the beautiful game, I want to see its beauty. I do not wan't to spend my time being bored for ninety minutes and then jump for joy because we sneak a winner at the end of it. If it's all about results, then there's no point in watching because I can read the result afterwards and find out how many points we got. I go to football to be entertained. This side bores the crap out of me.
If the answer is yes then fair enough, my argument / theory doesn’t apply to you.
But for 99.9% of fans, all their complaints about a style of play would disappear.This brilliant theory is a bit like debating whether I’d be comfortable celebrating if my grandma won Olympic 100m gold medal.Yeah sure, we’d raise a glass to the old girl, but also she’s dead and it’s not going to happen. The two things are fairly closely connected.1 -
Scott was a dud and has gone - coventry and will abbott are the only 2 things i think he can be credited for that were a success. The failures are too long to list.
Rodwell - no idea but gut instinct tells me he's a dud and assume he is the one referred to above as being on his way out.
Methven - gut instinct tells me that he might just have some merit
NJ - the one that really matters and he's coming good
Funds - 2/3 months ago you would be doubting if we actually had a top 4 budget, now i can believe it - Godden for instance now looks like a player who won't have come cheap.
Personally i think the club appears to be in good hands. A run of bad results and some unpopular transfer business and i reserve my right to have a moan but little to moan about right now. I'm optimistic.
3 -
Braziliance said:Some real pathetic attempts at goading on this thread.
Charlton are winning and looking likely to end the season strong, but people are focused on, or still want their 'got ya' moments. Are you happier that Charlton are doing well, or are you happier that your view may be correct on a footballing forum? That question is aimed at whoever may feel it is aimed at.
The ownership still needs to do more, the management structure still haven't done enough. Jones, the coaches, and all individual players improving get the credit here, not the suits and ties.
"Even a broken clock is right twice a day"
14 - Sponsored links:
-
Personally I’ve always thought the owners were attempting to do a good job for Charlton, now I think with recent results and alterations they have proved that point. However l like many others thought that the senior management team was, how can I put it, not fit for purpose, the reshuffle and sackings probably means that the owners saw the same and disbelieved the feed back from the SMT they received.They acted after a sensible period which they used to see what if anything needed sorting, by installing a new link back to the owner and cut out some of the bull shit feedback they were receiving. I think and hope that there may even more owner led (not SMT) adjustments to the SMT to come, certainly the owners installing Jones as manager and giving him enough freedom to form his own team was a master stroke worthy of some praise,1
-
It would but at least there are for the first time in a very long time, genuine signs that the club is making progress. We don’t get to see much of what’s going on back of house but the appointments made seem to me to be sensible and certainly there is real progress on the pitch. If we fall short I’m now for the first time in a very long time quite confident that next season there will be further progress made. That for me is key.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..4 -
-
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.Chunes said:
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..2 -
What was the bigger picture in appointing Appleton? Every bit of criticism they got last season was well and truly deserved for that calamity of a decision alone. Nothing to do with patience, that was just sheer stupidity on their part.Gribbo said:
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.Chunes said:
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..9 -
I think the point he was raising is that whenever there is a downturn in results or when some negative PR looms there are some posters that re surface posting their doom & gloom but when things are going ok you never hear from themCroydon said:DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
Think the issue was with the SMT tbf0 -
I'm glad nobody listened to me when I had my doubts as I am equally glad that nobody listens to those who differ from what Jones is doing regarding certain players even now!0
-
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
5 -
It was poor judgement. They made a mistake. We all do. To err is human. The man who never made a mistake never made anything. The key is to learn from them. We've had past owners who didn't. We now have owners and an SMT who seem to be, which I find reassuring.Croydon said:
What was the bigger picture in appointing Appleton? Every bit of criticism they got last season was well and truly deserved for that calamity of a decision alone. Nothing to do with patience, that was just sheer stupidity on their part.Gribbo said:
Think the idea is that "we" should maybe be a bit more patient and look at the bigger picture, when brand new ownership and manager come in, instead of piling in at the first opportunity.Chunes said:
Are you saying they didn't deserve criticism for leading us to our worst season in 100 years?DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
1 - Sponsored links:
-
Agree with all you say regarding progress being made on the pitch.ShootersHillGuru said:
It would but at least there are for the first time in a very long time, genuine signs that the club is making progress. We don’t get to see much of what’s going on back of house but the appointments made seem to me to be sensible and certainly there is real progress on the pitch. If we fall short I’m now for the first time in a very long time quite confident that next season there will be further progress made. That for me is key.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
My main concern is that if we don't go up this season then players like Ramsay, Small and Leaburn will leave.
If that happens we are basically back to square one and looking at another rebuild.
Promotion this season is an absolute must as far as I'm concerned.5 -
We can all argue whether ownership and management are doing a good job or not but at least they are operating the club in a professional manner. Lest we forget our previous claimed owners were 1)someone who operated the club like an 80s hair metal video fever dream 2) a dentist or a dentists accountant? 3) a shady real estate investor 4) a con man who asset stripped the club 5)a fake sheikh 6)an eccentric Belgian who hated the club and had an inexperienced lawyer a punk gamer scout running operations 7) the Cash/Slater/Jimenez debaucle5
-
Im sorry but this would be the case no matter what owners we have. Ultimately players/agents will be wanting a move away and will be doing all they can to exercise that!blackpool72 said:
Agree with all you say regarding progress being made on the pitch.ShootersHillGuru said:
It would but at least there are for the first time in a very long time, genuine signs that the club is making progress. We don’t get to see much of what’s going on back of house but the appointments made seem to me to be sensible and certainly there is real progress on the pitch. If we fall short I’m now for the first time in a very long time quite confident that next season there will be further progress made. That for me is key.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
My main concern is that if we don't go up this season then players like Ramsay, Small and Leaburn will leave.
If that happens we are basically back to square one and looking at another rebuild.
Promotion this season is an absolute must as far as I'm concerned.
4 -
It's concerning but there is a silver lining. If Ramsey leaves it will have to be for good money, and we still have Mitchell to replace him. We won't be able to replace Small that's for sure. Leaburn hasn't hasn't really been our main man this season, so I think we'll be ok. What we'll really need are big upgrades on Berry and Godden, which should be doable.blackpool72 said:
Agree with all you say regarding progress being made on the pitch.ShootersHillGuru said:
It would but at least there are for the first time in a very long time, genuine signs that the club is making progress. We don’t get to see much of what’s going on back of house but the appointments made seem to me to be sensible and certainly there is real progress on the pitch. If we fall short I’m now for the first time in a very long time quite confident that next season there will be further progress made. That for me is key.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
My main concern is that if we don't go up this season then players like Ramsay, Small and Leaburn will leave.
If that happens we are basically back to square one and looking at another rebuild.
Promotion this season is an absolute must as far as I'm concerned.0 -
Disagree big man, not getting play-offs will be a failure IMO. We have no god given right to promotion just because we are a "big" team.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..2 -
The problem is we have a, IMO, minority but none the less vocal section of the fanbase whom would not be happy with any owner who didn't have a familiar name.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
Ultimately one doesn't concern oneself with what's happening upstairs but unless some enlightened individual can share news AND evidence of wrong doing that jeopardises the club's future then one can only just the administration by the results on the pitch. Right now it appears very good.3 -
Which is exactly why I said promotion this season is a must.cafc_se7 said:
Im sorry but this would be the case no matter what owners we have. Ultimately players/agents will be wanting a move away and will be doing all they can to exercise that!blackpool72 said:
Agree with all you say regarding progress being made on the pitch.ShootersHillGuru said:
It would but at least there are for the first time in a very long time, genuine signs that the club is making progress. We don’t get to see much of what’s going on back of house but the appointments made seem to me to be sensible and certainly there is real progress on the pitch. If we fall short I’m now for the first time in a very long time quite confident that next season there will be further progress made. That for me is key.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
My main concern is that if we don't go up this season then players like Ramsay, Small and Leaburn will leave.
If that happens we are basically back to square one and looking at another rebuild.
Promotion this season is an absolute must as far as I'm concerned.1 -
Spot on. Exactly what that post was all about.UEAAddick said:
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..0 -
And how are they actually doing ? The results on the pitch are paying off, the players they funded the signings for are delivering, the manager they appointed is doing a good job.UEAAddick said:
Yeah but he refuses to see that, because he's too busy trying to get one over other fans than to properly judge his mates in the smt on how they are actually doing.SouthLincsAddick said:
No, I’m still not confident about the SMT. One of them has been sacked anyway and rumours have it that another is to go. When we were in relegation form you were very keen to point out all footballing decisions were down to NJ. Now that the football has improved I presume that’s all down to NJ and nothing to do with the SMT. You can’t have it both ways!DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..
If you have news or evidence of some wrongdoing by the SMT or anyone associated with the running of the club that somehow threatens the clubs future please do share ? I'm sure we are all ears.1 -
Radostanradical said:
Disagree big man, not getting play-offs will be a failure IMO. We have no god given right to promotion just because we are a "big" team.ElfsborgAddick said:
No promotion this season will be another failure.DubaiCAFC said:wonder where all the haters of the ownership are now?
Maybe all the money spent behind the scenes is working..Disagree Mr Spoons, getting into the play-offs ONLY cannot be seen as success.5
