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Brilliant - The very essence of confirmation bias. The echo must be deafening.ME14addick said:
It shouldn't be closed down because there has been a lot of good discussion and it is so.importantWheresmeticket said:Thread needs to be shut down. Been a platform for QA and his little friends for long enough. Shame because it was meant to be about climate change.
It is a problem that affects us all and we should all be working together to find ways to combat Climate Change.
I know I am guilty of engaging with the two posters, but if we can all ignore them in future, we can get back to having meaningful discussions.9 -
I'm not a London resident, but I will say that, given the problems of feeding the world's growing population, and the animal agriculture industry impact on the environment / climate, more messaging on reducing meat consumption would be welcome. I've seen it claimed that if the world demand for resources matched America's, we need four planet earth's to meat it.Chizz said:As Mayor of London since 2016, Sir Sadiq Khan has implemented several initiatives to address climate change and improve environmental sustainability in the city.
Ultra Low Emission Zone: Introduced in 2019, the ULEZ imposes charges on vehicles that do not meet specific emissions standards, aiming to reduce air pollution.
Electric Public Transport: London now operates the largest fleet of electric buses in Western Europe, contributing to lower emissions in public transportation.
Cycling Infrastructure: The city has expanded bike lanes to promote cycling as a sustainable mode of transport.
Divestment from Fossil Fuels: London's pension funds have been divested from fossil fuels, redirecting investments towards more sustainable options.
Rewilding Projects: Initiatives to restore natural habitats within the city have been undertaken to enhance biodiversity and environmental health.
Sir Sadiq has set an ambitious target for London to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2030. This plan includes enhancing home insulation, increasing the installation of heat pumps, reducing car usage and phasing out fossil fuel vehicles.
In his role as co-chair of C40 Cities, a network of global cities committed to addressing climate change, Sir Sadiq emphasises the significant role urban centers play in tackling the climate crisis. He advocates for sustained public and private sector cooperation, divestment from fossil fuels and investment in sustainable technologies.
Despite facing criticism and pressure to modify his environmental strategies, Sir Sadiq has maintained his commitment to these initiatives, arguing that clean air is "a human right." His firm stance on environmentalism contributed to his decisive re-election for a third term in 2024.
However, Sir Sadiq's environmental policies have not been without controversy. For instance, the appointment of Mete Coban as Deputy Mayor for Environment and Energy drew criticism due to Coban's extensive air travel history, which some viewed as contradictory to environmental goals.
Additionally, Sir Sadiq has consistently opposed the expansion of Heathrow Airport, citing the climate emergency and the need to adhere to climate commitments.
Overall, Sir Sadiq Khan's tenure as Mayor has been marked by proactive efforts to combat climate change and promote environmental sustainability in London.
What else should the Mayor of London do to promote and provide better environmental outcomes? Which other Mayors - in the UK or overseas - have a better environmental record? If Sir Sadiq Khan were not Mayor of London, who might have done a more environmentally responsible job, while winning consecutive landslides?
(It should go without saying that I'm inviting replies that are exclusively relevant to the climate emergency).
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, so I can't claim to be an environmentalist, but I'm not telling people what they should do. I'm just suggesting that our leaders might like to comment about it rather than remain silent.
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True.swordfish said:
I'm not a London resident, but I will say that, given the problems of feeding the world's growing population, and the animal agriculture industry impact on the environment / climate, more messaging on reducing meat consumption would be welcome. I've seen it claimed that if the world demand for resources matched America's, we need four planet earth's to meat it.Chizz said:As Mayor of London since 2016, Sir Sadiq Khan has implemented several initiatives to address climate change and improve environmental sustainability in the city.
Ultra Low Emission Zone: Introduced in 2019, the ULEZ imposes charges on vehicles that do not meet specific emissions standards, aiming to reduce air pollution.
Electric Public Transport: London now operates the largest fleet of electric buses in Western Europe, contributing to lower emissions in public transportation.
Cycling Infrastructure: The city has expanded bike lanes to promote cycling as a sustainable mode of transport.
Divestment from Fossil Fuels: London's pension funds have been divested from fossil fuels, redirecting investments towards more sustainable options.
Rewilding Projects: Initiatives to restore natural habitats within the city have been undertaken to enhance biodiversity and environmental health.
Sir Sadiq has set an ambitious target for London to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2030. This plan includes enhancing home insulation, increasing the installation of heat pumps, reducing car usage and phasing out fossil fuel vehicles.
In his role as co-chair of C40 Cities, a network of global cities committed to addressing climate change, Sir Sadiq emphasises the significant role urban centers play in tackling the climate crisis. He advocates for sustained public and private sector cooperation, divestment from fossil fuels and investment in sustainable technologies.
Despite facing criticism and pressure to modify his environmental strategies, Sir Sadiq has maintained his commitment to these initiatives, arguing that clean air is "a human right." His firm stance on environmentalism contributed to his decisive re-election for a third term in 2024.
However, Sir Sadiq's environmental policies have not been without controversy. For instance, the appointment of Mete Coban as Deputy Mayor for Environment and Energy drew criticism due to Coban's extensive air travel history, which some viewed as contradictory to environmental goals.
Additionally, Sir Sadiq has consistently opposed the expansion of Heathrow Airport, citing the climate emergency and the need to adhere to climate commitments.
Overall, Sir Sadiq Khan's tenure as Mayor has been marked by proactive efforts to combat climate change and promote environmental sustainability in London.
What else should the Mayor of London do to promote and provide better environmental outcomes? Which other Mayors - in the UK or overseas - have a better environmental record? If Sir Sadiq Khan were not Mayor of London, who might have done a more environmentally responsible job, while winning consecutive landslides?
(It should go without saying that I'm inviting replies that are exclusively relevant to the climate emergency).
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, so I can't claim to be an environmentalist, but I'm not telling people what they should do. I'm just suggesting that our leaders might like to comment about it rather than remain silent.
And yet, headlines like...
...are followed by headlines like...
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Ffsqueensland_addick said:
Here we go again.ShootersHillGuru said:Sadly I think this thread is doomed. It’s been overtaken by troll supreme and it’s leading it straight to being closed.
I notice there's not much talk on here about billionaires anymore after I exposed that particular myth!
Maybe just maybe, if people like you learned to accept and debate opposing views, rather than labelling people who express them as being "trolls", then this forum could get back to being a "discussion forum" rather than a forum for Left Wing views.
There's only one side (as ever) throwing insults around, and it's not myself or Chippy.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, people around the world are sick and tired of being cancelled and shut down by the Left.5 -
Where's the evidence that "the world is rejoicing" that Trump is back. Canadians, Mexicans, manybin EU.queensland_addick said:
Spot on Chippy.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips
Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really 
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
The adult's back in charge mate and the world is rejoicing and suddenly full of optimism once again.
Everywhere except CL🤣🤣
He won't forget the childishness and lies of UK Labour or "The Guardian", the "BBC" and all the other propagandists of course, but he's not afraid of forging or repairing relationships in order to obtain a beneficial outcome, whether that be with old Two Tier Keir, or even Vladimir Putin.
He wrote "The Art of the Deal" and knows how to get what he wants.
Once he gets it, old Two Tier will be out on his arse, where he belongs.
Good to see Nige and Reform now leading in the latest poll BTW, exciting times ahead.
Oh, and the CIA have finally admitted (strange that) that COVID most likely DID come out of the Wuhan Lab after all.
So yet more lies, deception and cover-ups by the Media and the previous adminstration, finally exposed.
What a difference a week makes.
But regardless, can we stick to talking about climate change?3 -
Where to start!cantersaddick said:
No, don't let them stop a good thing. Ignore those who have rejected facts in favour of their preferred dogma but are too far down the rabbit hole to apply any critical thinking or realise that opinion pieces and blogs arent evidence and dont outweigh peer revied scientific journals. Don't rise to their attempts to make it political. Keep discussing the climate emergency. We already know who will be on the right side of history.Wheresmeticket said:Thread needs to be shut down. Been a platform for QA and his little friends for long enough. Shame because it was meant to be about climate change.
Let's start with some facts shall we !
What facts have I rejected?
That the planet is warming? NO I haven't
That human's are in some way responsible? No I haven't.
In fact I agreed with both.
That Billionaires are personally responsible for around 25% of global emissions?
Yes I rejected that one. And as it turns out, I was correct.
And who's made it Political?
Try looking on the previous page and the links posted by first @Chaz Hill, and then by @ME14addick, both political, and both relating to The President of the USA Donald Trump.
I simply responded to those links.
So let's stick to the facts shall we, because I'd be perfectly justified calling others "trolls" but I never do.
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Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫4 -
How childish for a Mayor of London to be so disrespectful to the leader of a major ally.Friend Or Defoe said:
Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫3 -
Fucks sake5
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One has brains the other and his followers easily brain washed. Khan introduced some of the measures even though there were plenty of evidence to suggest there was no effect in what he was doing.Dansk_Red said:The Mayor of Manchester has decided against implementing ULEZ in Manchester.
Sadly his dogma and ego wouldn't let him think otherwise. And the gullible keep putting him back in.
If he really cared about the climate he wouldn't drive around London in a posse of Chelsea tractors and does the same when he walks his dog.3 -
Phew that makes it alright then. Certainly showed how rude, ignorant and disrespectful some Londoners are.Friend Or Defoe said:
Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫1 -
You could accuse others of being trolls but there’s only one on here.queensland_addick said:
Where to start!cantersaddick said:
No, don't let them stop a good thing. Ignore those who have rejected facts in favour of their preferred dogma but are too far down the rabbit hole to apply any critical thinking or realise that opinion pieces and blogs arent evidence and dont outweigh peer revied scientific journals. Don't rise to their attempts to make it political. Keep discussing the climate emergency. We already know who will be on the right side of history.Wheresmeticket said:Thread needs to be shut down. Been a platform for QA and his little friends for long enough. Shame because it was meant to be about climate change.
Let's start with some facts shall we !
What facts have I rejected?
That the planet is warming? NO I haven't
That human's are in some way responsible? No I haven't.
In fact I agreed with both.
That Billionaires are personally responsible for around 25% of global emissions?
Yes I rejected that one. And as it turns out, I was correct.
And who's made it Political?
Try looking on the previous page and the links posted by first @Chaz Hill, and then by @ME14addick, both political, and both relating to The President of the USA Donald Trump.
I simply responded to those links.
So let's stick to the facts shall we, because I'd be perfectly justified calling others "trolls" but I never do.3 -
Hey guys. Stop the tit for tat name calling otherwise this thread will be shut down. And that wouldn’t be good.3
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Make you right rob and all the “ffs” comments without further comment.Rob said:Hey guys. Stop the tit for tat name calling otherwise this thread will be shut down. And that wouldn’t be good.2 -
I thought threads like this were a thing of the past on here. We've had them before and they all end the same way. People just cant be trusted.
Quite why anyone who's interested in and wants to debate politics with any seriousness chooses to do it on a fans message board for a shit third tier football club completely baffles me. But each to their own I guess. But it's certainly not for me.4 -
Well said Jessie.3
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Very well said Jessie.Jessie said:
I can't speak for others but this is the only online platform where I've talked about politics (strictly not intend to do it anymore) because I feel safe to do it here and it's interesting to talk with people that you have a connection with through the football club you support about some hot issues. International affairs and all the related topics are where many people's interests lie and also what affect their daily life to various extent. But what's the point of exchanging opinions or start a debate with total strangers anywhere else?Off_it said:I thought threads like this were a thing of the past on here. We've had them before and they all end the same way. People just cant be trusted.
Quite why anyone who's interested in and wants to debate politics with any seriousness chooses to do it on a fans message board for a shit third tier football club completely baffles me. But each to their own I guess. But it's certainly not for me.
Maybe I should use the past tense though in the above paragraph because it's not a place for me to continue such chats anymore. Just thought I should explain my initial reasons for why I engaged in all those talks. I used to spend more time on here when the Group of HoC was still around and found the threads there really interesting - I'm always drawn to that type of discussions. I got to know what people's concerns were in their life and how they viewed their governments, what policies they had in the UK and all across Europe. It beat reading articles on websites which probably were biased and I actually didn't have time for those things. Unfortunately I've come to understand this really isn't the place for those discussions because most Lifers in fact don't like them, it seems. Or the heated debates and even name-calling they led to.
But I think it's very hard to detach Politics from the Club, when the club itself has gone all in on all the DEI, woke nonsense, that has proved to be so devisive, and is now being cancelled and reversed by many large corporations around the globe.
Please don't be afraid to express your views, whatever they may be, regarding Climate Change on this particular thread.
It would be fascinating to get the perspective of someone from your part of the world.
All views, and all perspectives should be welcomed, without the poster having to worry about being abused, mocked etc, by the mob.
It's possible to respectfully disagree with a fellow poster, without resorting to personal insults.
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Surely as a believer in free speech, you agree with the right to peaceful protest?queensland_addick said:
How childish for a Mayor of London to be so disrespectful to the leader of a major ally.Friend Or Defoe said:
Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫3 -
Sure he has the right.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Surely as a believer in free speech, you agree with the right to peaceful protest?queensland_addick said:
How childish for a Mayor of London to be so disrespectful to the leader of a major ally.Friend Or Defoe said:
Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫
But it was a stupid childish thing to do. As has now been proved. Turns out that the majority of Americans came to that conclusion as well.
Good luck to the Mayor in any future negotiations with the USA !2 - Sponsored links:
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Someone once said wind turbines are an eyesore. Now not all agree, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I find multiple lanes of parallel roads scaring the countryside, that are harmful to biodiversity, unattractive, as is the monoculture that dominates much of it too.
The argument will be that these are necessary given the volume of traffic and need to feed folk. Similarly though, wind and solar farms are necessary to meet the demand for renewable energy. We need more housing too, and have so many huge distribution centers being built where I am, I've lost count.
All this may be good for the economy, but it comes at a cost in loss of biodiversity in the environment. We're one of the most nature depleted places on the planet. Still, a third runway at Heathrow will do wonders for it and our efforts to reduce emissions, so that's something to look forward to.
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I honestly don’t see where this accusation of trolling comes from, people are entitled to opposing opinions.ShootersHillGuru said:
You could accuse others of being trolls but there’s only one on here.queensland_addick said:
Where to start!cantersaddick said:
No, don't let them stop a good thing. Ignore those who have rejected facts in favour of their preferred dogma but are too far down the rabbit hole to apply any critical thinking or realise that opinion pieces and blogs arent evidence and dont outweigh peer revied scientific journals. Don't rise to their attempts to make it political. Keep discussing the climate emergency. We already know who will be on the right side of history.Wheresmeticket said:Thread needs to be shut down. Been a platform for QA and his little friends for long enough. Shame because it was meant to be about climate change.
Let's start with some facts shall we !
What facts have I rejected?
That the planet is warming? NO I haven't
That human's are in some way responsible? No I haven't.
In fact I agreed with both.
That Billionaires are personally responsible for around 25% of global emissions?
Yes I rejected that one. And as it turns out, I was correct.
And who's made it Political?
Try looking on the previous page and the links posted by first @Chaz Hill, and then by @ME14addick, both political, and both relating to The President of the USA Donald Trump.
I simply responded to those links.
So let's stick to the facts shall we, because I'd be perfectly justified calling others "trolls" but I never do.Queeny is right that the ever growing population and demand for more and more resources has an impact on climate change, it has to.Where I think he’s wrong is that whilst villagers burning wood, plastic, cardboard and anything else they can is awful for the environment and gives me a really bad cough, surely the overall impact is negligible compared to someone living in London, buying new clothes every week and driving to work.Not sure that difference makes anyone a troll though.10 -
None of the above are nice to view.swordfish said:Someone once said wind turbines are an eyesore. Now not all agree, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I find multiple lanes of parallel roads scaring the countryside, that are harmful to biodiversity, unattractive, as is the monoculture that dominates much of it too.
The argument will be that these are necessary given the volume of traffic and need to feed folk. Similarly though, wind and solar farms are necessary to meet the demand for renewable energy. We need more housing too, and have so many huge distribution centers being built where I am, I've lost count.
All this may be good for the economy, but it comes at a cost in loss of biodiversity in the environment. We're one of the most nature depleted places on the planet. Still, a third runway at Heathrow will do wonders for it and our efforts to reduce emissions, so that's something to look forward to.
All are bad for green space, and bad for the wildlife that once lived in those areas.
Roads, runways and additional housing lead to an increase in emissions.
All are the result of an ever increasing population and the need to support that population.
We are moving in ever decreasing circles and that will continue until the concrete jungle is complete.
Until such time that people come to their senses, and identify the core problem, quality of life in the UK will continue to decline for humans and animals alike.1 -
Fossil fuels are finite resources and will run out eventually. Those that remain will become harder to extract and therefore more expensive.
It therefore makes sense to move to cheaper renewables as quickly as we can.7 -
Yes, but if maintaining the same standard of living involves us not changing our patterns of resource consumption, the climate change problems will worsen. We can't have our cake and eat it. Sacrifices must be made.queensland_addick said:
None of the above are nice to view.swordfish said:Someone once said wind turbines are an eyesore. Now not all agree, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I find multiple lanes of parallel roads scaring the countryside, that are harmful to biodiversity, unattractive, as is the monoculture that dominates much of it too.
The argument will be that these are necessary given the volume of traffic and need to feed folk. Similarly though, wind and solar farms are necessary to meet the demand for renewable energy. We need more housing too, and have so many huge distribution centers being built where I am, I've lost count.
All this may be good for the economy, but it comes at a cost in loss of biodiversity in the environment. We're one of the most nature depleted places on the planet. Still, a third runway at Heathrow will do wonders for it and our efforts to reduce emissions, so that's something to look forward to.
All are bad for green space, and bad for the wildlife that once lived in those areas.
Roads, runways and additional housing lead to an increase in emissions.
All are the result of an ever increasing population and the need to support that population.
We are moving in ever decreasing circles and that will continue until the concrete jungle is complete.
Until such time that people come to their senses, and identify the core problem, quality of life in the UK will continue to decline for humans and animals alike.
Even if the world's population was halved from current numbers, those remaining would need to be living closer to carbon neutral lifestyles to slow global warming. And we'd still need to find a way to extract carbon dioxide from the atmosphere if it's concentration was nearing the 450 parts per million tipping point. By my very rough estimation, at current emission rates, that could happen as early as the first half of the 2030's
However, I've been banging the drum on the need for us to lead as individuals for a while now, and accept that it will only take us so far in the fight ahead. For me to carry on posting about it now makes me feel like a one legged duck, going around in circles, so I'll take that as my cue to duck out of it.3 -
That's a great shame.swordfish said:
Yes, but if maintaining the same standard of living involves us not changing our patterns of resource consumption, the climate change problems will worsen. We can't have our cake and eat it. Sacrifices must be made.queensland_addick said:
None of the above are nice to view.swordfish said:Someone once said wind turbines are an eyesore. Now not all agree, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I find multiple lanes of parallel roads scaring the countryside, that are harmful to biodiversity, unattractive, as is the monoculture that dominates much of it too.
The argument will be that these are necessary given the volume of traffic and need to feed folk. Similarly though, wind and solar farms are necessary to meet the demand for renewable energy. We need more housing too, and have so many huge distribution centers being built where I am, I've lost count.
All this may be good for the economy, but it comes at a cost in loss of biodiversity in the environment. We're one of the most nature depleted places on the planet. Still, a third runway at Heathrow will do wonders for it and our efforts to reduce emissions, so that's something to look forward to.
All are bad for green space, and bad for the wildlife that once lived in those areas.
Roads, runways and additional housing lead to an increase in emissions.
All are the result of an ever increasing population and the need to support that population.
We are moving in ever decreasing circles and that will continue until the concrete jungle is complete.
Until such time that people come to their senses, and identify the core problem, quality of life in the UK will continue to decline for humans and animals alike.
Even if the world's population was halved from current numbers, those remaining would need to be living closer to carbon neutral lifestyles to slow global warming. And we'd still need to find a way to extract carbon dioxide from the atmosphere if it's concentration was nearing the 450 parts per million tipping point. By my very rough estimation, at current emission rates, that could happen as early as the first half of the 2030's
However, I've been banging the drum on the need for us to lead as individuals for a while now, and accept that it will only take us so far in the fight ahead. For me to carry on posting about it now makes me feel like a one legged duck, going around in circles, so I'll take that as my cue to duck out of it.
Thanks for engaging in respectful, meaningful debate and for the educational links posted, from which I for one, learned a lot.3 -
It wasn’t his protest though, he just approved it. What’s the alternative, refuse it and limit free speech?queensland_addick said:
Sure he has the right.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Surely as a believer in free speech, you agree with the right to peaceful protest?queensland_addick said:
How childish for a Mayor of London to be so disrespectful to the leader of a major ally.Friend Or Defoe said:
Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫
But it was a stupid childish thing to do. As has now been proved. Turns out that the majority of Americans came to that conclusion as well.
Good luck to the Mayor in any future negotiations with the USA !2 -
Well Friday reminded me how ridiculous this race to net zero is.
My first energy bill back in the UK came through for last month - £120. And that's with us trying to be careful with how often we turn the central heating on.
My energy bills in Vancouver used to be roughly $140 (~£80) every 3 months.1 -
Fossil fuels are not going to run out anytime soon; and most of the ‘renewables’ and probably all of the ones the UK can/is putting in place are not cheaper which is why moving to them as quickly as we can isn’t going to happen.ME14addick said:Fossil fuels are finite resources and will run out eventually. Those that remain will become harder to extract and therefore more expensive.
It therefore makes sense to move to cheaper renewables as quickly as we can.1 -
Don't waste your time.Stu_of_Kunming said:
It wasn’t his protest though, he just approved it. What’s the alternative, refuse it and limit free speech?queensland_addick said:
Sure he has the right.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Surely as a believer in free speech, you agree with the right to peaceful protest?queensland_addick said:
How childish for a Mayor of London to be so disrespectful to the leader of a major ally.Friend Or Defoe said:
Khan didn't make the effigy ffs. He approved it to be flown (it was hilariously small) then approved one of himself to be flown due to some snowflakes getting their knickers in a twist about the Trump one.Chippycafc said:
Donnys just playing with him mate as well you know. He wont forget what the lame pricks said about him. Or thats stupid over sized effigy that thick prick Khan did.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvyyn7k99oChippycafc said:
You can be our best man mate... Xx still we both know whether a woman has a fiddly stick unlike your industrious leader.Chaz Hill said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge7g93xjw9oChippycafc said:Zzzzzz that was too the troll bollocksSafe to visit Queenie in a room in Thailand now Chips Mind you I suppose he might be on the move now with this sort of thing made legal. Ironic really
This guy you mean? Bet Nige is a bit put out especially after the inauguration snub .
What a time to be alive! 😵💫
But it was a stupid childish thing to do. As has now been proved. Turns out that the majority of Americans came to that conclusion as well.
Good luck to the Mayor in any future negotiations with the USA !4
