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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

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  • Why did he drop the captain…did this cause an upset within the team…has his tactics confused the pattern of play (I don’t mind ugly if we win but a toothless display is another thing). 

    I was just thinking about the problems at Manchester United and Eric ten Hag and wondering whether there were any similarities? 🥸🤓
  • Solidgone said:
    Why did he drop the captain…did this cause an upset within the team…has his tactics confused the pattern of play (I don’t mind ugly if we win but a toothless display is another thing). 

    I was just thinking about the problems at Manchester United and Eric ten Hag and wondering whether there were any similarities? 🥸🤓
    perhaps we could have him next then?......
  • Chunes said:
    I don't think I've ever moonwalked off a 4-hour coach journey
    Pretty sure you'd fall down the steps if you tried.
  • edited October 2024
    thenewbie said:
    But the criticism isn't (just) about last result. It's about that performance and several leading up to it. Jones team and tactics were set up for a solid defence and an energetic press, what we've got is an open invitation to have a crack from distance and a press that couldn't crush a grape. Its tedious but effective when it works, but it's quite manifestly NOT working.

    I don't want perfect every time. I would quite like "not embarrassingly bad every time" though.
    Blackpool was bad team selection and an off five minute spell which included a strange own goal - we then peppered them for the entire second half and they were somewhat lucky to hold on.

    Stevenage was disappointing that we let them bully us - I take a bit of comfort from the fact they did exactly the same to Wrexham three days later, with the same scoreline.

    Bristol Rovers was also disappointing but I hope their lads bought lottery tickets because their luck was definitely in with their shooting for the evening.


    Our football at this early point in the season hasn’t been inspiring and it’s felt like most matches could go either way by an odd goal - that’s been true throughout. Just as we were a bit lucky to beat Wigan, I think we’ve been a bit unlucky against Blackpool and Bristol Rovers.

    Agree that it’s not been pretty so far but if our baseline  is that we’ll win half our games and lose the other half, we’re already doing better than last year and we’ve still got plenty of time for this new squad to gel and improve.
  • Read all the key takeouts from his press conference and, well, there was nothing there that made me feel any more confident unfortunately. Its a trite phrase but he sounds like he’s lost the plot. I get that we fans see the game through a narrow and largely uninformed prism, but when you get to a point where nearly all the fanbase is united about the main issue - we hardly create any chances, even in games we won- and the manager doesnt even remotely refer to it, thats a bad sign. I think if a reporter asked him “in retrospect was it a mistake not to keep Alfie May? “ he’d go into full meltdown.
    I don't think he's lost the plot, but he is definitely guilty of over thinking things and tinkering with the team selection too much.

    Early on in the season, whilst not playing great, we were very solid and didn't concede many. He needs to get back to that and stop switching up 4-5 players every game. We're going to get bad performances, we're an average league one side with average players. But i think if he sticks with a preferred XI, keep the defence that looked solid early on, start with Godden and Leaburn up front, and then we'll soon start winning again, although probably not tomorrow.
  • The team selection since Blackpool feels far too slapdash to be a success. Making 5 changes every week is never going to make any kind of success. 

    With everyone fit I'd want a spine of Mannion,Mitchell,Coventry,Godden and Leaburn starting every game - I think Ramsay and Edwards are pretty nailed down too. Currently it feels far too much like names out of a hat in terms of who's going to start and even what the formation will be. 
  • Blackpool took the foot off the gas and sat back on the lead and it worked they got the result .
    Bristol Rovers whilst not as comfortable weren’t afraid to have a pop and with great skill and our shit defending got a couple of good goals and then them being shit gave us a minuscule opportunity , no doubt if the results were the other way round you’d be purring about how great we were at controlling the game and getting 3 points .
    we were shit against Wigan , Orient and Shrewsbury proper coin flip games and the results could have gone either way
    Blackpool and Bristol Rovers no way were we unlucky , we were just shit .
    I just don’t buy that.

    So when we’ve won (4 out of 9 btw) it’s been us being lucky in coin flip games but when we’ve lost it’s just us being shit and not being unlucky in coin flip games?

    So really, we’re lucky to be as high as 13th? Again I don’t buy it.

    The lucky to win, deserved to lose thing sounds like something a fan would think up while their club is on a losing streak…
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  • I just don’t buy that.

    So when we’ve won (4 out of 9 btw) it’s been us being lucky in coin flip games but when we’ve lost it’s just us being shit and not being unlucky in coin flip games?

    So really, we’re lucky to be as high as 13th? Again I don’t buy it.

    The lucky to win, deserved to lose thing sounds like something a fan would think up while their club is on a losing streak…
    Jonesball needs everything to work to be successful. You need the strikers to be pressing, the midfield to have lots of energy and the defence to be solid, and keep that up all game to wear the other team down. If all 3 come together you get results, not aesthetically pleasing ones but results.

    But if those things don't work you get what we've currently got. An open invitation to try a long range shot, an ineffective group of passengers in midfield and strikers who don't know what to do in the box on the rare occasion they end up there.

    If you want to call it luck or skills or training, the point is that whatever we were doing has stopped working and Jones is apparently either unwilling or incapable of making the right changes to fix it.
  • I just don’t buy that.

    So when we’ve won (4 out of 9 btw) it’s been us being lucky in coin flip games but when we’ve lost it’s just us being shit and not being unlucky in coin flip games?

    So really, we’re lucky to be as high as 13th? Again I don’t buy it.

    The lucky to win, deserved to lose thing sounds like something a fan would think up while their club is on a losing streak…
    It all evens itself out
    our inept defending creates the situation for these amazing goals by the oppo and the oppo having players brave enough with enough ability to execute 
    we did do this against Orient 
    coin flips can go either way 
    we’ve had some go our way and I think Stevenage was a coin flip but no way we’re Rovers or Blackpool coin flips 

    13th in League One  is probably about right for how we’ve done … shit 
  • edited October 2024
    Chunes said:
    Not all games are won on such fine margins. We've played nearly every game on them. Play games where it's always a flip of the coin and you run the risk of ending up where we are. I don't see how this stuff makes anything look better.
    Being better is comparative, at that point I’m talking better than “sacking your manager” form which is a low bar but it’s what this thread started as - whereas I think you’re probably comparing to our actual ambitions?

    Because I agree that being mid table isn’t good enough. Obviously, no one would be happy with that by the end of the season. We’re only nine games in and have 37 still to play - plenty of time to improve.

    We’re already much improved defensively from the mess Jones inherited - let’s give him some time to build off of that foundation instead of more chopping and changing after a couple of losses.
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    Doing better than last season is a bar so low it's almost on the floor.
    Is it worth sacking a manager over is my point - I would say no, there’s been enough positive signs despite a run of recent bad form.
  • I like Jones, but I 100% agree with this.

    His enthusiasm is great & infectious, but his man management appears to be very poor
    fair comment, BUT to me his touchline antics look contrived and trying to show to us all, players and fans, how COMMITTED he is, could be his 'ersatz passion' has the reverse effect on the team and inhibits them.
    I want less showmanship and more playermanagementship
  • Is it worth sacking a manager over is my point - I would say no, there’s been enough positive signs despite a run of recent bad form.
    With all due respect you'd find a positive from a 5-0 defeat.
  • Is it worth sacking a manager over is my point - I would say no, there’s been enough positive signs despite a run of recent bad form.
    At this point no it's not but then I don't think that many people are actually at the actively wanting him gone stage - more acknowledging that its not going well (to put it mildly) and that a change in form is needed, and fast.
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  • Being better is comparative, at that point I’m talking better than “sacking your manager” form which is a low bar but it’s what this thread started as - whereas I think you’re probably comparing to our actual ambitions?

    Because I agree that being mid table isn’t good enough. Obviously, no one would be happy with that by the end of the season. We’re only nine games in and have 37 still to play - plenty of time to improve.

    We’re already much improved defensively from the mess Jones inherited - let’s give him some time to build off of that foundation instead of more chopping and changing after a couple of losses.
    On that part I agree, sacking him would be mad and the speed people are turning on him is frightening. 
  • One thing that does give me a small bit of hope is that a lot of Luton fans said they started the season slowly, hopefully this is Nathan getting all the rough patches out of the squad early on and we'll get on a run sometime soon where it all clicks and we start carving sides open a bit more, got to be an optimist otherwise what's the point in going 
  • edited October 2024
    Chunes said:
    On that part I agree, sacking him would be mad and the speed people are turning on him is frightening. 
    when a manager puts out a side that shows no sign of improving and is actually deteriorating, where there is no excitement, no creativity just endeavour, and a reluctance to vary his tactics, then I think we are entitled to be concerned.

    I don't want him sacked, I just want him made aware by the SMT, in no uncertain terms, that it's not good enough, that he needs to be more adaptable, and that we must see improvements sharpish.
  • Blackpool was bad team selection and an off five minute spell which included a strange own goal - we then peppered them for the entire second half and they were somewhat lucky to hold on.

    Stevenage was disappointing that we let them bully us - I take a bit of comfort from the fact they did exactly the same to Wrexham three days later, with the same scoreline.

    Bristol Rovers was also disappointing but I hope their lads bought lottery tickets because their luck was definitely in with their shooting for the evening.


    Our football at this early point in the season hasn’t been inspiring and it’s felt like most matches could go either way by an odd goal - that’s been true throughout. Just as we were a bit lucky to beat Wigan, I think we’ve been a bit unlucky against Blackpool and Bristol Rovers.

    Agree that it’s not been pretty so far but if our baseline  is that we’ll win half our games and lose the other half, we’re already doing better than last year and we’ve still got plenty of time for this new squad to gel and improve.
    Wow! There is hope and there is delusional. You just crossed that line.
  • Blackpool was bad team selection and an off five minute spell which included a strange own goal - we then peppered them for the entire second half and they were somewhat lucky to hold on.

    Stevenage was disappointing that we let them bully us - I take a bit of comfort from the fact they did exactly the same to Wrexham three days later, with the same scoreline.

    Bristol Rovers was also disappointing but I hope their lads bought lottery tickets because their luck was definitely in with their shooting for the evening.


    Our football at this early point in the season hasn’t been inspiring and it’s felt like most matches could go either way by an odd goal - that’s been true throughout. Just as we were a bit lucky to beat Wigan, I think we’ve been a bit unlucky against Blackpool and Bristol Rovers.

    Agree that it’s not been pretty so far but if our baseline  is that we’ll win half our games and lose the other half, we’re already doing better than last year and we’ve still got plenty of time for this new squad to gel and improve.
    We were absolutely shocking in both games. 
  • He is staying boys and girls! 😂
  • Fair play Jones. Funny, not so stubborn, change formation and guess what we win..
    oh and Godden still doing better than May this time last year.
    buzzing after that. 

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