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POST-MATCH THREAD: Stevenage v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 28th September 2024: KO 15:00
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So you can understand people concern over the manager and those responsible fotl recruiting. When we sign a striker who is not the correct type to play the way our team is set up.2
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At this point I'm starting to think reverting to a 4-4-2 with slightly more mobile fullbacks could be the most bamboozling thing we could do for opposition managers.
May create more chances just out the fact that nobody remembers how to play against that system.3 -
msomerton said:So you can understand people concern over the manager and those responsible fotl recruiting. When we sign a striker who is not the correct type to play the way our team is set up.msomerton said:So you can understand people concern over the manager and those responsible fotl recruiting. When we sign a striker who is not the correct type to play the way our team is set up.
Didn't we do the same last year, brought in Watson and Edun who were nowhere near fit and Scott, allegedly, demanded we play with wing backs.0 -
One of Alfie May’s many attributes is that he can control the ball and shield if from defenders, even when that ball was wayward or overhit. He’d hold it up on the wing if necessary then give it and get into a goalscoring position. I remember an oppo manager called him a pest. That was under-rating him. He was a constant lurking menace, even when he went through that early drought. I remember thinking that if I were an oppo fan I’d want our team to be at least two up because Charlton have got Alfie-effing - May.Wheresmeticket said:
So how did May manage it last year? I don't remember too many comments about what a fricking great midfield we had.BenHaimandBikey said:
Doesn't matter who you have up front if you don't give them chances they won't score.Wheresmeticket said:That we are equal on points with 6th after 8 games compared to last season is a positive still for me. The only real concern is that after a brief respite last season we are again without a goalscorer. Leaburn could be the answer. Looks like Ahadme and Godden are not.@Swisdom recently wrote an insightful post which explained that Alfie May off the field can be a bit of an arse, but he also referred to him not being able to accept what NJ wanted him to do and not to do. I would love to know what those things are.5 -
I actually deleted a final sentence of my post which said something like “relying on Leaburn (or more ridiculously, Dixon) to save us feels like the last throws of desperation.”. I deleted it because I don’t want it to sound like I’m criticising Leaburn - I’m not - but I really don’t think he’s going to be the answers to our prayers (nor, as you say, is it fair to expect him to be).AFKABartram said:
I agree but the last hope is with Leaburn, which is ridiculously unfair on a lad who’s been out injured for a year. If our attacking play doesn’t work playing off him then it could start getting painfulse9addick said:Maybe I’m just defeated after 15 years of general disaster at our club, but this really has the makings of a very disappointing season.
The warning signs were there from the summer recruitment, but “in Jones we trust” was the mantra. I have to admit that, tonight, that trust is really shaken.
The big problem is that I don’t believe we have the tools in the squad to address what I see as the main problem - the abject lack of creativity. We’ve assembled a set of pedestrian (and seemingly similar) midfielders who can’t create and strikers who need someone to create for them. I’m not sure how we solve that conundrum and I don’t have much faith than Jones’ knows how to either.
My last hope is more that Jones actually does know what he’s doing and what we’re seeing is just the growing pains of a new squad and in a few weeks it’ll all work out. I’m not sure I believe it, but it’s all I’ve got right now.9 -
Three seasons ? It's as bad as anything I've seen in 58 years of supporting this club. No wonder Saints & Stoke got rid of him so quickly.Nadou said:It's agony watching us at the moment. Hoofball that is as bad as anything in the last three seasons. I cannot understand how anyone can trust Jones. This is the team he has recruited and these are his tactics.4 -
My day was summed up when the lighting fuse blew when I got home and tried to turn the lights on
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I wasn't there today but watched the stream, and I'm wondering if the crowd started to react to Coventry's dead ball failures, confidence soon ebbs away if you persistently fail.0
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I can’t remember the last time I went to an away game where the team was booed as bad as they were today . It feels really uncomfortable but I can understand totally the frustration of the fans . I didn’t boo but I didn’t clap when they came over either .1
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And the header he had last week.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:2 -
We had two tickets for today but couldn't go. Yesterday I was disappointed. Today I am glad.Bedsaddick said:I know I only had to travel 15 minutes down the road to watch the game but to be perfectly honest if Charlton were playing in my back garden I’d leave the curtains closed .Awful just awful . We’ve gone backwards from the Appleton , Holden ( insert name here ) days . We are absolutely toothless.Embarrassing
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But Jones is mixing and matching our forwards and we are getting nothing. Leaburn has attributes that could have an impact. Dixon has pace. These are attributes that might trouble League One defences. I think today, Stevenage worked out we posed very little threat and that allowed them to be a bit more offensive. And If I am right, they were right.se9addick said:
I actually deleted a final sentence of my post which said something like “relying on Leaburn (or more ridiculously, Dixon) to save us feels like the last throws of desperation.”. I deleted it because I don’t want it to sound like I’m criticising Leaburn - I’m not - but I really don’t think he’s going to be the answers to our prayers (nor, as you say, is it fair to expect him to be).AFKABartram said:
I agree but the last hope is with Leaburn, which is ridiculously unfair on a lad who’s been out injured for a year. If our attacking play doesn’t work playing off him then it could start getting painfulse9addick said:Maybe I’m just defeated after 15 years of general disaster at our club, but this really has the makings of a very disappointing season.
The warning signs were there from the summer recruitment, but “in Jones we trust” was the mantra. I have to admit that, tonight, that trust is really shaken.
The big problem is that I don’t believe we have the tools in the squad to address what I see as the main problem - the abject lack of creativity. We’ve assembled a set of pedestrian (and seemingly similar) midfielders who can’t create and strikers who need someone to create for them. I’m not sure how we solve that conundrum and I don’t have much faith than Jones’ knows how to either.
My last hope is more that Jones actually does know what he’s doing and what we’re seeing is just the growing pains of a new squad and in a few weeks it’ll all work out. I’m not sure I believe it, but it’s all I’ve got right now.0 -
But he has never been a “clinical” finisher. He’s all about the unusual, the “big lump up front” who is actually terrifyingly good with the ball a5 his feet in the oppo penalty box.BLargeAddick said:
And the header he had last week.L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:
Alfie May. That’s a “clinical” striker. Including penalities. Chuks, bless him, is a bit dodgy on penalties.1 -
Chuks missed a great chance today, possibly our only real chance but he is far from the problem. Edwards did not even try to beat his man which Small does at least, even if he usually puts in a poor ball after that. I thought Coventry and Anderson did alright in open play but we miss the players around them to make things work as an offensive unit. Berry, for his faults gives me the impression that he is one of the few players in the side who might know where the goal is. Teams know where to defend against us and every decent bit of approach play falls down the nearer we get to our opponent's goal.2
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Across the whole team ....................................................... or so I was told when I ridiculed the selling of Alfie May. Well that turned out well.ro_addick said:Where are the goals coming from?6 -
DONT PISS OFF AND THEN SELL THE DIVISIONS CURRENT GOLDEN BOOT WINNER, THE MOST NATURAL GOAL POACHER THIS FOOTBALL CLUB HAS SEEN FOR A LONG WHILE. GIVE HIM A PAY RISE, MORE CHIPS IN THE CANTEEN, BUT MAKE SURE HE PLAYS OUT HIS CONTRACT AT LEAST AND SCORES 25 GOALS IN OUR SUBSEQUENT BARN STORMING PROMOTION SEASON OUT OF THIS PONY DREADFUL AWFUL FUCKING LEAGUE...
SORRY FOR SHOUTING
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All of the above.sirjohnhumphrey said:May wouldn’t be scoring goals in this system. Jones made the decision that May didn’t fit his way of playing and he wasn’t going to change his way of playing for May.The signings we made were, if I recall correctly, bought with the Championship in mind. They’re not even cutting it in this league so is it the players that is the problem, is it the formation, or the manager?We are on a downward spiral and it doesn’t appear there is a clear way of halting it.0 -
Very possibly looking at the October games.Southbank said:Six points off promotion and 6 points from relegation. Time to start looking over our shoulder?
The consequence of the brain dead decision to sell the league's top scorer and replace him with 'strikers'(I use the term loosely) who cannot control a simple pass and could not hit a cows arse with a banjo, is plain to see. As is the failure to have a decent attacking midfielder but instead to recruit ex Luton players who have seen better days.
I love Charlton and the past 12 years have been very tough, but today I more or less stopped watching after 60 minutes as the result was predictable and the football terrible. Terrible football and shit results.
Bristol Rovers away
Birmingham home
Burton away
Stockport home
Barnsley away
Wrexham home
Burton might be postponed because it's an international week, so 3 of our 5 games are against the current top 3. If we continue to play like we are, creating very little then it's hard to see us winning many of those.
Jones needs to sort it out sharpish and given the lack of anything going forward it might be time to bring Dixon in sooner than he'd planned.0 -
So what ya sayin?...soapy_jones said:DONT PISS OFF AND THEN SELL THE DIVISIONS CURRENT GOLDEN BOOT WINNER, THE MOST NATURAL GOAL POACHER THIS FOOTBALL CLUB HAS SEEN FOR A LONG WHILE. GIVE HIM A PAY RISE, MORE CHIPS IN THE CANTEEN, BUT MAKE SURE HE PLAYS OUT HIS CONTRACT AT LEAST AND SCORES 25 GOALS IN OUR SUBSEQUENT BARN STORMING PROMOTION SEASON OUT OF THIS PONY DREADFUL AWFUL FUCKING LEAGUE...
SORRY FOR SHOUTING1 -
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Yes he was getting stick especially in the second halfBedsaddick said:I can’t remember the last time I went to an away game where the team was booed as bad as they were today . It feels really uncomfortable but I can understand totally the frustration of the fans . I didn’t boo but I didn’t clap when they came over either .0 -
To play 4-4-2 you need wide midfielders. Apart from Campbell, we don't have any.ForestHillAddick said:At this point I'm starting to think reverting to a 4-4-2 with slightly more mobile fullbacks could be the most bamboozling thing we could do for opposition managers.3 -
At the start of the season I predicted it would be another mid table finish, I just hope I wasn't being too optimistic. We have strikers who can't score, midfielders who can't create, "wing backs" who aren't, players with no brains, why did we throw 10 players forward for a corner, that's just idiotic.Athletico Charlton said:Thank goodness for those first 3 games. Since then we have 4 points from 5 games and Rovers and Burton matches now look very important as our other 4 in October do not look like games we pick up many points from to me. Hopefully Leaburn comes back and is a huge catalyst but that is asking roo much really.
I am worried about this season as I have seen such little quality so far.1 -
At the game……UTTER SHYTE!!!!!!
Defensively we were pretty good…..everything else garbage. 🤨2 -
Yes he also said we have goal scorers at the clubMarcusH26 said:Interesting to see Jones call Gillesphey the best technical player at the club.....0 -
Questionable team selection from Jones for the second week running. As soon as I saw the starting eleven I wasn’t confident. How is Berry not starting? How is Kanu starting as a winger? And then Gillesphey being subbed on as a left back? If Edwards couldn’t do a full game then why was Small not on the bench?2
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We don’t need them, Chunes. CBT has no end product, Dobbo runs around too much and makes too many tackles, and May is intimidated by Luke Berry. We’re better off without all of them and I’m frankly surprised you don’t know better than to suggest otherwise.Chunes said:After Dobbo left, I felt down about our squad and our prospects for the season, but it was the signing of Docherty that made me feel more hopeful. And now Docherty has made practically no impact and has been dropped.
Likewise the signings of Ahadme/Godden. Firstly, surely we wouldn't spend 1 mil (add-ons or not) on someone who wasn't excellent. And Godden has had a great career and surely would be good.
All have been underwhelming and that's being kind.
We also lost CBT. So essentially we replaced our only three high-impact players from last season with low-impact, 'system' players.
Worse, the 'system' doesn't appear to work all that well.18 -
I do smile at people bemoaning the loss of George Dobson and his replacements not being up to his standard - when George Dobson was dropped 6,7,8 games into his career at Charlton, for not being good enough to be a replacement for the midfielders that came before him.3
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Too late for that, it's yet another rebuild next summer :-(Gribbo said:Amateurish performance against a shit opposition. Would like to say we're better than that, but there's been no evidence to suggest it.
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He was dropped for one game if I remember right and soon reinstated a game later when we realise we needed him desperately.Callumcafc said:I do smile at people bemoaning the loss of George Dobson and his replacements not being up to his standard - when George Dobson was dropped 6,7,8 games into his career at Charlton, for not being good enough to be a replacement for the midfielders that came before him.2
