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POST-MATCH THREAD: Stevenage v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 28th September 2024: KO 15:00
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Every style of play has to win for the fans of a club. A lot of what is deemed 'good' football is all subjective anyway.DubaiCAFC said:
Clearly it is wrong, we have lost 3 out our first 8 games.UEAAddick said:
We also lost games. Its been poor lately, but let's not try to rewrite that period. How you play doesn't matter as long as you win and can change it up when it's going wrong. The reason its poor at the moment is because we're not winning games.DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football
There isn't a right or wrong way to play football.Jones style of football, need to win most weeks, and we are not.
Going off topic a bit but some view Guardiola's sides as great football, others view it as boring. Allardyce for example is criticised heavily for style of play, but they always had flare players and attacked when wanted too.
Its more about how you can adapt to other teams and the players you have available to play a certain way, that as I said is all subjective anyway.0 -
I just looked up your post saying we're not capable of finishing top 6, on the reasons to be positive/cheerful thread.Chippycafc said:
Away on holiday. Predicted we would lose and hey presto we did. Got ridiculed last week by the all knowing saying this side is not capable of finishing top 6. Wonder if they have changed their tune now.blackpool72 said:I was going to have a long rant but I just can't be bothered.
So I'll keep it short.
Utter fucking shit.
Boring football by players who simply arnt good enough. And a manager past his sell by date. One trick pony with one club, found out everywhere else he's been
It got 3 likes and no lols.
One person then replied basically disagreed/ridiculed you.0 -
Ofcourse you are right in respect of it being subjective however football is an entertainment business and either winning or performance dictates if it is entertaining. We are all die hard CAFC fans but these performances will not go far towards adding bums on seats unless we are near the top of the league which is looking doubtful imo. I’m not throwing the baby out etc as I was full of confidence a few weeks ago but the last 2 results coupled to the fact that we play Birmingham and Wrexham soon things could get nasty very quickly. I can’t work out why players that we have signed that have recent higher level experience look worse than our own youth playersUEAAddick said:
Every style of play has to win for the fans of a club. A lot of what is deemed 'good' football is all subjective anyway.DubaiCAFC said:
Clearly it is wrong, we have lost 3 out our first 8 games.UEAAddick said:
We also lost games. Its been poor lately, but let's not try to rewrite that period. How you play doesn't matter as long as you win and can change it up when it's going wrong. The reason its poor at the moment is because we're not winning games.DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football
There isn't a right or wrong way to play football.Jones style of football, need to win most weeks, and we are not.
Going off topic a bit but some view Guardiola's sides as great football, others view it as boring. Allardyce for example is criticised heavily for style of play, but they always had flare players and attacked when wanted too.
It’s more about how you can adapt to other teams and the players you have available to play a certain way, that as I said is all subjective anyway.0 -
I'd drop Anderson for the Rovers game, play Taylor and give it a try, it may work, it may not, but Taylor is "supposed' to be good with dead ball delivery, which he did show against Cambridge. It will release Coventry and allow for something a little different. No point keep trying the same if it's not working.Southbank said:
If he could not 'utilise' Alfie May because of his system , what makes you think he can 'utilise' Taylor, who plays only in the same position as Coventry? The last thing we need is to play 2 defensive midfielders.Redmidland said:Having had a bit more time to reflect on the game and read this thread this morning, I understand why some (not many) want NJ gone, across the SM sites.
I agree the football we're playing is turgid and unattractive, with little to no end, our defence is much better this season. However we've lost creativity and hence goals. Midfield is, in the main, sedantry, Coventry the best of the midfield, but very poor dead ball delivery.
However do we really need to go on yet another managerial merry go round? Who would people suggest took the reins, surely not another journeyman?
We need to stick with NJ and see if he can turn it around. We've suffered 3 defeats all season (league) we're not shipping goals as we used to, so that seems better. NJ now needs to work on creativity in m/f, why not give Taylor a go?
Will Miles be used on Tuesday? Kanu isn't the answer, Ahadme is injured, Chuks is a bit part player, Godden isn't getting service.
Is Dixon worth a place on the bench, perhaps to use his supposed pace?
There's no point harking on about May and Dobbo going, it's happened, it ain't changing, so time to let it go.
I do believe we have a defensive foundation for the first time in years, it's all about creativity now.
NJ isn't stupid, he must see what is blindingly obvious. If, and I know it's an if, we can be in and around the playoffs by January, NJ will have to go to the board to freshen up midfield and attack. In the meantime he needs to, in my opinion, utilise Taylor, get Miles back and give Dixon a chance. Changing managers now is not the right option, we could be back to square one in weeks.1 -
You're lucky it was closed or someone would probably resurrect it today.up_the_valley said:Who wanted my thread closed down? I guess tempting fate can work both ways...0 -
Yesterday we played two full backs in a midfield four for much of the game, what does that say to the midfield contingent of our squad, Taylor, Docherty, Campbell, all specialist midfield players were left out because Jones wanted full backs in his midfield, crazy !Redmidland said:
I'd drop Anderson for the Rovers game, play Taylor and give it a try, it may work, it may not, but Taylor is "supposed' to be good with dead ball delivery, which he did show against Cambridge. It will release Coventry and allow for something a little different. No point keep trying the same if it's not working.Southbank said:
If he could not 'utilise' Alfie May because of his system , what makes you think he can 'utilise' Taylor, who plays only in the same position as Coventry? The last thing we need is to play 2 defensive midfielders.Redmidland said:Having had a bit more time to reflect on the game and read this thread this morning, I understand why some (not many) want NJ gone, across the SM sites.
I agree the football we're playing is turgid and unattractive, with little to no end, our defence is much better this season. However we've lost creativity and hence goals. Midfield is, in the main, sedantry, Coventry the best of the midfield, but very poor dead ball delivery.
However do we really need to go on yet another managerial merry go round? Who would people suggest took the reins, surely not another journeyman?
We need to stick with NJ and see if he can turn it around. We've suffered 3 defeats all season (league) we're not shipping goals as we used to, so that seems better. NJ now needs to work on creativity in m/f, why not give Taylor a go?
Will Miles be used on Tuesday? Kanu isn't the answer, Ahadme is injured, Chuks is a bit part player, Godden isn't getting service.
Is Dixon worth a place on the bench, perhaps to use his supposed pace?
There's no point harking on about May and Dobbo going, it's happened, it ain't changing, so time to let it go.
I do believe we have a defensive foundation for the first time in years, it's all about creativity now.
NJ isn't stupid, he must see what is blindingly obvious. If, and I know it's an if, we can be in and around the playoffs by January, NJ will have to go to the board to freshen up midfield and attack. In the meantime he needs to, in my opinion, utilise Taylor, get Miles back and give Dixon a chance. Changing managers now is not the right option, we could be back to square one in weeks.0 -
Can always be posted again...😉Covered End said:
You're lucky it was closed or someone would probably resurrect it today.up_the_valley said:Who wanted my thread closed down? I guess tempting fate can work both ways...0 -
Release Coventry to do what exactly? Play as a box to boxer or an attacking midfielder? He is neither of those. You can't have someone in the team just because they can or cannot take a corner. The midfield problem lies with Berry and Docherty not performing. If that persists we are f****d until January.Redmidland said:
I'd drop Anderson for the Rovers game, play Taylor and give it a try, it may work, it may not, but Taylor is "supposed' to be good with dead ball delivery, which he did show against Cambridge. It will release Coventry and allow for something a little different. No point keep trying the same if it's not working.Southbank said:
If he could not 'utilise' Alfie May because of his system , what makes you think he can 'utilise' Taylor, who plays only in the same position as Coventry? The last thing we need is to play 2 defensive midfielders.Redmidland said:Having had a bit more time to reflect on the game and read this thread this morning, I understand why some (not many) want NJ gone, across the SM sites.
I agree the football we're playing is turgid and unattractive, with little to no end, our defence is much better this season. However we've lost creativity and hence goals. Midfield is, in the main, sedantry, Coventry the best of the midfield, but very poor dead ball delivery.
However do we really need to go on yet another managerial merry go round? Who would people suggest took the reins, surely not another journeyman?
We need to stick with NJ and see if he can turn it around. We've suffered 3 defeats all season (league) we're not shipping goals as we used to, so that seems better. NJ now needs to work on creativity in m/f, why not give Taylor a go?
Will Miles be used on Tuesday? Kanu isn't the answer, Ahadme is injured, Chuks is a bit part player, Godden isn't getting service.
Is Dixon worth a place on the bench, perhaps to use his supposed pace?
There's no point harking on about May and Dobbo going, it's happened, it ain't changing, so time to let it go.
I do believe we have a defensive foundation for the first time in years, it's all about creativity now.
NJ isn't stupid, he must see what is blindingly obvious. If, and I know it's an if, we can be in and around the playoffs by January, NJ will have to go to the board to freshen up midfield and attack. In the meantime he needs to, in my opinion, utilise Taylor, get Miles back and give Dixon a chance. Changing managers now is not the right option, we could be back to square one in weeks.2 -
Twas me indeed with Covered End.oohaahmortimer said:Ignoring how utterly shit we are and basically Bolton apart we have been all season
i sat in the Stevenage end with petrol heads mate and dad (spurs fans who live near Stevenage) cos nephew had my ticket
Damian Matthew was scouting , don’t know who for .
Chuks kept shouting ‘dig’ in the second half when we were moving forward 🤷♂️
Gary Nelson was there and gave me a nod of recognition as I waited outside the away end for my twunts to come out , I prolly look like an old pro (brass)
also saw Covered End and I think the other fella with him was East terrace ?? who I shook hands with and he said I’m 60% oohaah
can’t wait for this season to finish
0% Top two
18% 3rd-6th
65% 7th-12th
17% 13th-20th
100% dog turd
Still not convinced you’re 100% OAM as I didn’t hear any reference to the scum!
50% shite day out, didn’t like it once the team was announced.1 -
Yes it was East Terrace, who said before the game that he didn't know who oohaah is and then there you were!oohaahmortimer said:Ignoring how utterly shit we are and basically Bolton apart we have been all season
i sat in the Stevenage end with petrol heads mate and dad (spurs fans who live near Stevenage) cos nephew had my ticket
Damian Matthew was scouting , don’t know who for .
Chuks kept shouting ‘dig’ in the second half when we were moving forward 🤷♂️
Gary Nelson was there and gave me a nod of recognition as I waited outside the away end for my twunts to come out , I prolly look like an old pro (brass)
also saw Covered End and I think the other fella with him was East terrace ?? who I shook hands with and he said I’m 60% oohaah
can’t wait for this season to finish
0% Top two
18% 3rd-6th
65% 7th-12th
17% 13th-20th
100% dog turd1 - Sponsored links:
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What was Jones' net transfer fee budget?DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football..
If we got approx £1m for CBT & May combined, it would appear that Jones wasn't able to spend more than that?
In other words he was told his net budget was nil and he would have to sell to buy?
It's all very well saying Jones got the players he wanted, but would it be more accurate to say Jones got the players he wanted with a transfer budget of zero?
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Yes I saw that in a clip of a pre season friendly, seemed very slow on the turn. Hoped it was just a case of getting up to full fitness.killerandflash said:
He's a great battling defender, but he does look quite ponderous at times. I'm starting to see why he never broke through at Millwall, he's fine in L1 but maybe not athletic enough for the ChampionshipRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Alex Mitchell running back for their goal is how I used to run from monsters in my dreams.0 -
Plenty on here pre season saying the owners had given NJ a large transfer budget by putting in their own money, I did doubt it at the time and when I see the garbage we have bought I suspect it’s not true.Covered End said:
What was Jones' net transfer fee budget?DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football..
If we got approx £1m for CBT & May combined, it would appear that Jones wasn't able to spend more than that?
In other words he was told his net budget was nil and he would have to sell to buy?
It's all very well saying Jones got the players he wanted, but would it be more accurate to say Jones got the players he wanted with a transfer budget of zero?
My guess is you are right CBT and AM subsidised our transfer budget with the owners putting in small amounts2 -
My concern is the lack of "good wins".golfaddick said:
A few of us got pelters at the start of the season when we questioned the manner in which we were winning & were not subscribing to the mantra of "a wins a win".AndyG said:I’m very concerned after that performance yesterday. I hate the style of play but if it brings results ( ala early season results) then I can live with it but playing like that and losing is not acceptable I would rather watch Garnerball tbh
And now everyone is seeing it for themselves. Teams can always scrape a few 1-0 wins but that wont last long. Long term a decent top 6 side will win well, not win ugly. 8 games in & we've hit the net 7 times....with only one game having scored more than once.
I've said it before & I'll say it again. I'd rather lose 3-2 than win 1-0 as it shows you can score goals, and a good team will overcome the odd defensive lapse & overpower poor teams.
The manner in how you win is so important. I would say the first 4 games this season were an outlier & we have now reverted to type.
The football mantra says that the sign of a good team is one which plays badly, and still wins. BUT that assumes that in between the ground out ugly wins you actually have some good performances as well, to show that the poor performances are an off day, rather than the norm...
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I've been reading eastterrace6168 comments all day thinking he's blanking me !EastTerrace said:
Twas me indeed with Covered End.oohaahmortimer said:Ignoring how utterly shit we are and basically Bolton apart we have been all season
i sat in the Stevenage end with petrol heads mate and dad (spurs fans who live near Stevenage) cos nephew had my ticket
Damian Matthew was scouting , don’t know who for .
Chuks kept shouting ‘dig’ in the second half when we were moving forward 🤷♂️
Gary Nelson was there and gave me a nod of recognition as I waited outside the away end for my twunts to come out , I prolly look like an old pro (brass)
also saw Covered End and I think the other fella with him was East terrace ?? who I shook hands with and he said I’m 60% oohaah
can’t wait for this season to finish
0% Top two
18% 3rd-6th
65% 7th-12th
17% 13th-20th
100% dog turd
Still not convinced you’re 100% OAM as I didn’t hear any reference to the scum!
50% shite day out, didn’t like it once the team was announced.1 -
Damian Matthew the fella on the right with glasses on and the away end in the background0 -
From the limited amount I've seen Anderson is the only midfielder that can run around to an acceptable level. I'm deeming T Campbell to be a forward when saying this as that is mainly where he has played.Redmidland said:
I'd drop Anderson for the Rovers game, play Taylor and give it a try, it may work, it may not, but Taylor is "supposed' to be good with dead ball delivery, which he did show against Cambridge. It will release Coventry and allow for something a little different. No point keep trying the same if it's not working.Southbank said:
If he could not 'utilise' Alfie May because of his system , what makes you think he can 'utilise' Taylor, who plays only in the same position as Coventry? The last thing we need is to play 2 defensive midfielders.Redmidland said:Having had a bit more time to reflect on the game and read this thread this morning, I understand why some (not many) want NJ gone, across the SM sites.
I agree the football we're playing is turgid and unattractive, with little to no end, our defence is much better this season. However we've lost creativity and hence goals. Midfield is, in the main, sedantry, Coventry the best of the midfield, but very poor dead ball delivery.
However do we really need to go on yet another managerial merry go round? Who would people suggest took the reins, surely not another journeyman?
We need to stick with NJ and see if he can turn it around. We've suffered 3 defeats all season (league) we're not shipping goals as we used to, so that seems better. NJ now needs to work on creativity in m/f, why not give Taylor a go?
Will Miles be used on Tuesday? Kanu isn't the answer, Ahadme is injured, Chuks is a bit part player, Godden isn't getting service.
Is Dixon worth a place on the bench, perhaps to use his supposed pace?
There's no point harking on about May and Dobbo going, it's happened, it ain't changing, so time to let it go.
I do believe we have a defensive foundation for the first time in years, it's all about creativity now.
NJ isn't stupid, he must see what is blindingly obvious. If, and I know it's an if, we can be in and around the playoffs by January, NJ will have to go to the board to freshen up midfield and attack. In the meantime he needs to, in my opinion, utilise Taylor, get Miles back and give Dixon a chance. Changing managers now is not the right option, we could be back to square one in weeks.
Incidentally surprised TC has made as many appearances as he has looking at the statistics supplied by @shirty5 higher up the thread.1 -
Probably fair to say that Jones chose, or at least chose most of, the players he got. How many of them would have been his ideal choices is probably up for debate, but then most managers, especially at this level, have to work within some kind of compromise between who they want and who they can afford. Always hard to know if we’ve signed the best it was possible to get with the budget available or if there were better deals to be done. Either way, it doesn’t currently look like a top six squad but Jones himself tells us it is so we’ll have to wait and see if he can get a proper tune out of it eventually..Covered End said:
What was Jones' net transfer fee budget?DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football..
If we got approx £1m for CBT & May combined, it would appear that Jones wasn't able to spend more than that?
In other words he was told his net budget was nil and he would have to sell to buy?
It's all very well saying Jones got the players he wanted, but would it be more accurate to say Jones got the players he wanted with a transfer budget of zero?2 -
Plug for Bromley Addicks meeting on thurs Oct 3rd, lets say very soon. Come and ask the management.Covered End said:
What was Jones' net transfer fee budget?DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football..
If we got approx £1m for CBT & May combined, it would appear that Jones wasn't able to spend more than that?
In other words he was told his net budget was nil and he would have to sell to buy?
It's all very well saying Jones got the players he wanted, but would it be more accurate to say Jones got the players he wanted with a transfer budget of zero?
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nothing out of the next 2 and i think pressure will really be on.
letting players go and not replacing them with adequate replacements is the issue.0 - Sponsored links:
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I had a lovely weekend off from thinking about Charlton after that match. Well, the men's team anyway. Unfortunately now it's Monday and I've been at work for 8 minutes and thinking about Charlton has become preferable again. We aren't very good. We don't play very nice football. When that happens you get a lot less leeway once the results slip. Add to that deciding you don't want the previous season's top scorer and fan's favourite and you're forcing yourself to play on hard mode in terms of fan support. Jones said we should assess ourselves after 10 games, and his teams do tend to take a little bit of time to get going, but we look worse than at the start. The hope is you go from grinding out results to winning them with a bit more verve but we've stopped the grinding out part.
The thing I was most alarmed by was Jones' post match interview where he said we'd tried to move away from the hardcore keep a clean sheet mentality to play a bit more expansively, but all that has led to is the same level of on the ball performance and no clean sheets. Deeply troubling to think that this is us trying to play a bit more. Jones has tried to change a few things now and it hasn't made a huge difference. I never like a 343 but there was acknowledgement there that getting the most out of TC and punishing Docherty for his performances so far, which on the face of it was good. It didn't work though, and the fact is we shouldn't need to fundamentally change how we play, we need to get more out of the players we have. The midfielders we brought in need to do more and that's hopefully something Jones will beat out of them. We talk about creative midfielders a lot but being able to move the ball into midfield and have it go to another Charlton player consistently so we can build shouldn't be the sole domain of genius 10s, it should be something all our players can do. The next two games will make it 10 games in. Bristol Rovers have been awful so far and appear to be getting worse, while Birmingham look unstoppable. Get 4-6 points from those and look a bit more like a team that can play and we'll hit the 10 game mark looking a bit happier and on target for points. Gouge away miserably against Rovers and get pumped by Birmingham though and we will need a big rethink.
I do think it's interesting what's happening with some teams this year so far. There were some pretty big managerial appointments with Michael Duff (who I honestly wanted ahead of Jones) going to Huddersfield and Evans going to Rotherham. Rotherham brought in 6000 players early on and Huddersfield looked to have invested well but they're clinging on. Rotherham have won once and sit 19th, Huddersfield started well but have lost 6 of their last 7, weirdly becoming Rotherham's only win so far. Meanwhile the old war dogs Parky and Bruce are marching up the table. The managers who are supposed to piss it are really struggling this season and it'll be interesting to see what does or doesn't change there.6 -
NJ has done a great job on our defence. The glaring weakness last season.
Now he must do the same job with our mid-field. Once he gets that right, proper service to the strikers should result in more shots and more goals. Mid-field support for the strikers has been missing big time this season.
And why all the changes every week lately? We were winning games at the start of the season with a virtually settled 11.1 -
Didnt Jones bring is Small as well from his Saints days? And Doherty. (And Tyson and Mannion) Given that Ramsay and Lloyd Jones are shoe-ins. Thats 10/11 players he has bought in to supplement two of the top L1 players plus kids that most sides our level cant call on. Whatever your views, a current Jamaican international, one of the quickest forwards in level three, a 5 cap Sierra Leone international and a talented defender with 23 EFL appearances last season as an 18yo.DubaiCAFC said:
Not having that, he has been supported, he got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May.Braziliance said:
Na I'm sorry but he didn't. He may say he did, but he simply has to, to keep his job. No manager in the world completely goes against the board unless they have a certain pull. He probably got what he could, but there's no way he would have been completely happy with the outcome of the transfer window, no top manager in their right mind would.DubaiCAFC said:
Jones got the players he wanted, he didn’t want May. The owners and board backed.. the buck stops with Jones in my opinion.. sorry, we had all pre season, with most of the squad in place, and all we have done is learnt to lump the ball forward.Braziliance said:I think the most tragic thing is the familiarity with it all. On the way up my mate rang me and said 'you're playing Stevenage today, should be a win for yous right' and I had to explain to him how it's nowhere near as simple as that.
We dwarf them in every aspect, yet the last 3 times I've been there, we haven't looked better on the pitch. Even when we beat them on pens in the carabao, they were the better team that night. No disrespect to Stevenage, as I'm sure they've got some nice fans and decent people associated with the club, but for a club of our size and the alleged money involved, to go there and look like the worse team, is well and truly unacceptable.
I'm looking at the players more than Jones. I've always had the belief that we don't have the right owners and management setup (generally speaking) in place. We obviously don't have much money, hence why we have tried to sell any decent player we have had in May, CBT and Dobson. I am still concerned about the people pulling the strings and what their aim is. Any of us can see that this football is getting us nowhere.
We go 1 down and you can pretty much guarantee we are getting a draw at best, it's abysmal. The only players I truly like the look of are Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay, Coventry and sometimes TC. The rest I'd happily see sold or loaned out. In some cases (Edwards & Dixon) I haven't seen enough to form a proper opinion.
Either way, I want the season over now. It's clear we got the transfer window wrong again, looks like we are gonna need another 2 or 3 (how many times has this been said), all that awaits is now is probably a mid-table ish finish and watching clubs we should dwarf, finish above us as usual.
It's a very depressing cycle. I've not lost hope in Jones just yet, but I am having doubts about my vote of confidence, and I am starting to think him and Luton are just a match made in heaven.
The football we play is no different to the likes of Slade, Adkins, Holden etc. Sideways crap passing, until we run out of options and start lumping it long. Then Chuks comes on and we hope he can pull a rabbit out the hat. Woeful.
Sold the best striker we've had since Yann to end the game with Lloyd Jones playing as a striker. Pass me the fkn cyanideIt is the worst football I have ever seen from Charlton, maybe since the Parkinson relegation season!As much as a wet weekend Appleton was, we tried to play football..
It isn't the first time he has told a white lie to protect the higher ups in the club, it won't be the last:
https://x.com/RichCawleySLP/status/1756380825841508858?t=lb7gtbs7dDGKlkaUNuXdlw&s=19
It was common knowledge that Dobson was heavily linked with the Hungarian club, but he lied almost immediately before he'd even set foot in the club properly. This is the nature of football.
The football is awful, but it's no different from his predecessors. The difference being, he has proven he can get results, even at a higher level unlike most of the managers we have had.
I just think he needs time and a few transfer windows with some actual cash to secure quality, not chump change.
Got a few solid players with Coventry, Jones, Mitchell, Ramsay etc. Tie them down to better contracts, build slowly. That's the solution. His hands are tied right now imo, he just won't say it for obvious reasons.
If you offered me for the season to end now, mid-table finish, keep Jones and all the players I've mentioned, all the dross out of the club, with more freedom in the transfer market, I'd snap your hand off. This is going to be a slow and ugly process, unless we get cash strapped owners.Godden
Berry
Edwards
Campbell
Gass
Mitchell
Potts
are all players that Jones wanted, he got them. He wanted total control, he got that. So far he hasn’t delivered. He promised attacking and direct football, we haven’t got that.
So he has an eleven effectively chosen by him, supplemented by decent kids plus squad players and Aneke, but cant get a tune out of them. He needs to take a look in the mirror and analyse his mistakes. We are a big budget side and shouldn't be in the one goal result business. It was his choice as was the decision not to get in loan wild cards.
We can only hope something clicks or Leaburn/Dixon can drag us out of the mire.0 -
Yes the changes are baffling tbh. Frist few games we were more or less unchanged, and while it wasn't the best to watch we were grinding out results and (presumably) the players were getting used to playing together and building a bit of confidence and understanding.Tunwellsaddick said:NJ has done a great job on our defence. The glaring weakness last season.
Now he must do the same job with our mid-field. Once he gets that right, proper service to the strikers should result in more shots and more goals. Mid-field support for the strikers has been missing big time this season.
And why all the changes every week lately? We were winning games at the start of the season with a virtually settled 11.
Jones made panic subs when we went down against Reading, and since then we've seen a load of chopping and changing and one win in five. Incidentally the game we did win was the one where he reverted to the preferred XI from the start of the season.
Don't know if it's the best strategy to just randomly swap midfielders in and out of the team until it somehow clicks.1
