Todds_right_hook said:

MrOneLung said:

Braziliance said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Braziliance said:

Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid. 

There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental. 

I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.

West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.

The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.

They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right. 

I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.

They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight. 

I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.

This has got to be a joke post 
Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list 

Newcastle on a par

derby!!!!! Why not add mk dons to the list

Oops, I didn’t see Newcastle on there. 

MrOneLung said:

Braziliance said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Braziliance said:

Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid. 

There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental. 

I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.

West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.

The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.

They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right. 

I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.

They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight. 

I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.

This has got to be a joke post 
Only Everton and Leeds are bigger than West Ham on your list 

Aston Villa are miles bigger than West Ham. 7 times champions of England and once of Europe. Most of those titles were admittedly a long time ago but surely outside of east London that isn’t a matter for serious debate

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Braziliance said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Braziliance said:

Regarding West Ham, I truly can't believe some of their fans mindsets in where they 'belong' in the footballing pyramid. 

There's a bloke at my work (lovely chap) that genuinely believes they should have been up there competing with the likes of old ManU and challenging top4 consistently. Doesn't think where they sit now is good enough and thinks the conference run wasn't all that. Bloody mental. 

I think they've had a bad appointment here West Ham, and think they'll regret letting Moyes go. I genuinely wouldn't have West Ham even in my top15 clubs in England in terms of stature, probably around the top20 somewhere. If anything I think they've over achieved this and last season.

West Ham currently get the second highest attendances in the country after Man U. I fully appreciate that if other clubs had higher capacities that would change but no way are there 15 bigger clubs.

The big 6, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds and Sunderland are the only clubs i can think of who would pull 64k crowds in the PL.

They should definitely do better than they did last season (finished 6 points off relegation) but i think where they are now (9th) is about right. 

I'd say 'big 6', Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Leeds, Sunderland, Wolves, Derby, Nottingham Forest, and Leicester, I would certainly say are bigger. I would maybe add West Brom as well to the mix.

They do have a lot of fans, and they do well ticket sales wise, but they haven't really won much generally speaking, and never won the top flight. 

I could see why someone would have them in their top15 biggest clubs, but just not for me personally. I think they've overachieved, and their fans should be happy with what they've done.

No way are Derby, Forest, Wolves, Leicester and West brom bigger clubs than West Ham.

Villa i'd probably have on par with West Ham but they weren't even selling out Villa Park (42k) a few years ago when they were struggling, which was why i kept them off my original list.

Also the fact that West Ham haven't won much but still get 60k crowds surely enhances the point that they're a big club.

Of course this is just my view, however farfetched it may seem.

I think without doubt Leeds, Everton, Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle are bigger clubs. Based on a mixture of fan base and honours.

I have Leicester ahead due to their recent success. I think once they come up again they'll be ahead of West Ham. West Brom historically have more honours and quite a fair sized fanbase so I view them as a bigger club. I'd say those are the only two where I might be looking into honours too much. 

Forest, Derby and Wolves all the middle ground, again, feel they've all just won more and have quite big fan bases. 

I'm not disputing that West Ham have a lot of fans, in that regard, they're a big club. When I look at them historically, I just don't think they've done much, that's all. 

My main point is, when there is a fair amount of clubs with more history than West Ham, and previous history of actually competing for titles, I find it bonkers a West Ham fan I know truly believes they should be on the same playing field as the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal etc

LargeAddick said:

Good appointment by Huddersfield. I wanted Duff here when Holden went.

Eh? We got a duff appointment after he left 🤔

Not that his sacking is right but the fact that the Manager of the side that knocked them out last night was the one that took Norwich up twice probably didn't help the mood of the fans.