George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142

paulie8290 said:

Vjacheslav said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Vjacheslav said:

North Lower Neil said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

thenewbie said:

RonnieMoore said:

thenewbie said:

Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:

1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season 
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't 

So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.

But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.

I hope I'm wrong.

Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and out 

Not if that  player already has a legal contract with another team. 

Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.

I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.

If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.

There is no IF, it is binding.

Agree that Dobo has more than likely gone because he is pre-contractually obliged to go, but if he’s signed a contract 5 months in advance, that will take him and his family to Hungary, without any cooling off period, I think he's been a little bit foolish regardless of what his agent / advisor has said.

Say it again that I've personally moved on from Dobo going, although would obviously like him to stay, but this idea that any contract in football is so binding that things can't and don't happen in the 11th hour is for the birds, especially a contract that is signed so far in advance and that will take you to a foreign country, whether it's regulated by UEFA / FIFA or not. It may incur a financial forfeit, but reckon it’ll be in there and it may be what Jones has kind of alluded to when he’s said he’d like him to stay beyond this season.

In this case the financial forfeit means Charlton must buy out from Videoton. If Dobson don't want to go, this will little bit help the situation, but the price for this transfer will be larger than the original resigned contract with better wage that originally demand by Dobson.

In that situation Videoton also can able to sell him to different team instead of Charlton. 

Yeah, so it's not 100% binding. There's probably a chance for Charlton to buy Dobo out of this contract so, if or when that time comes, Jones etc will need to make their minds up as to whether it would be value for money to cough up and keep him, or we move on and replace him. Think I'm right in saying though, that none of us know what that figure is. 

He'd obviously need to also be offered improved terms from us, and that would be part of the process, but I don't personally think this is a foregone conclusion at all

No, it is binding, because Charlton must pay for to keep Dobbo.

And that's the point here.

He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.

The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 

Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.

At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  

How much do you think his transfer value would be if he refused to play in Hungary?

I heard a 7-figure money for him.

But you can't force a player on a plane right.

So if George decides you know what i don't actually want to go Hungary now I'm gonna stay in England(yes he may be breaking the contract) but there is nothing they can actually do about it, they can't kidnap him and force him on a plane.

So they will be left with no choice but to sell him(highly doubtful it will be 7 figures for a player who they can't actually play anyway) 

Best for all parties if they and us just agree a fee behind closed doors and it stays nice and easy, if they name a realistic price to buy him out of the contract im sure we would pay it

Vjacheslav said:

SoundAsa£ said:

Chizz said:

Stu_of_Kunming said:

1. No 
2. It’s a contract, this type of transfer happens 100s of not 1,000s of times a year
3. Irrelevant 
4/5. These rules are, sadly, a total joke. When has tapping up ever resulted in a cancelled contract?
6. irrelevant 

Just for clarification, you're saying his work permit and work visa are irrelevant and it doesn't matter who he wants to play for?

Has his passport got at least 6 months on it before it expires? 😁😁😁

Normal ID enough at the EU, no need passport.
At Hungary the driving licence is also enough, but maybe for the hungarian people.

Vjacheslav said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Vjacheslav said:

North Lower Neil said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

thenewbie said:

RonnieMoore said:

thenewbie said:

Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:

1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season 
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't 

So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.

But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.

I hope I'm wrong.

Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and out 

Not if that  player already has a legal contract with another team. 

Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.

I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.

If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.

There is no IF, it is binding.

Agree that Dobo has more than likely gone because he is pre-contractually obliged to go, but if he’s signed a contract 5 months in advance, that will take him and his family to Hungary, without any cooling off period, I think he's been a little bit foolish regardless of what his agent / advisor has said.

Say it again that I've personally moved on from Dobo going, although would obviously like him to stay, but this idea that any contract in football is so binding that things can't and don't happen in the 11th hour is for the birds, especially a contract that is signed so far in advance and that will take you to a foreign country, whether it's regulated by UEFA / FIFA or not. It may incur a financial forfeit, but reckon it’ll be in there and it may be what Jones has kind of alluded to when he’s said he’d like him to stay beyond this season.

In this case the financial forfeit means Charlton must buy out from Videoton. If Dobson don't want to go, this will little bit help the situation, but the price for this transfer will be larger than the original resigned contract with better wage that originally demand by Dobson.

In that situation Videoton also can able to sell him to different team instead of Charlton. 

Yeah, so it's not 100% binding. There's probably a chance for Charlton to buy Dobo out of this contract so, if or when that time comes, Jones etc will need to make their minds up as to whether it would be value for money to cough up and keep him, or we move on and replace him. Think I'm right in saying though, that none of us know what that figure is. 

He'd obviously need to also be offered improved terms from us, and that would be part of the process, but I don't personally think this is a foregone conclusion at all

No, it is binding, because Charlton must pay for to keep Dobbo.

And that's the point here.

He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.

The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 

Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.

At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  

How much do you think his transfer value would be if he refused to play in Hungary?

I heard a 7-figure money for him.

Vjacheslav said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Vjacheslav said:

North Lower Neil said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

thenewbie said:

RonnieMoore said:

thenewbie said:

Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:

1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season 
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't 

So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.

But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.

I hope I'm wrong.

Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and out 

Not if that  player already has a legal contract with another team. 

Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.

I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.

If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.

There is no IF, it is binding.

Agree that Dobo has more than likely gone because he is pre-contractually obliged to go, but if he’s signed a contract 5 months in advance, that will take him and his family to Hungary, without any cooling off period, I think he's been a little bit foolish regardless of what his agent / advisor has said.

Say it again that I've personally moved on from Dobo going, although would obviously like him to stay, but this idea that any contract in football is so binding that things can't and don't happen in the 11th hour is for the birds, especially a contract that is signed so far in advance and that will take you to a foreign country, whether it's regulated by UEFA / FIFA or not. It may incur a financial forfeit, but reckon it’ll be in there and it may be what Jones has kind of alluded to when he’s said he’d like him to stay beyond this season.

In this case the financial forfeit means Charlton must buy out from Videoton. If Dobson don't want to go, this will little bit help the situation, but the price for this transfer will be larger than the original resigned contract with better wage that originally demand by Dobson.

In that situation Videoton also can able to sell him to different team instead of Charlton. 

Yeah, so it's not 100% binding. There's probably a chance for Charlton to buy Dobo out of this contract so, if or when that time comes, Jones etc will need to make their minds up as to whether it would be value for money to cough up and keep him, or we move on and replace him. Think I'm right in saying though, that none of us know what that figure is. 

He'd obviously need to also be offered improved terms from us, and that would be part of the process, but I don't personally think this is a foregone conclusion at all

No, it is binding, because Charlton must pay for to keep Dobbo.

And that's the point here.

He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.

The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 

Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.

At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  

How much do you think his transfer value would be if he refused to play in Hungary?

I heard a 7-figure money for him.

ElfsborgAddick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

7- figure Money.
I assume that’s 1,000,000 Forints…..about £2,150.🤭

Our friend @Vjacheslav will not put a figure to a bet I put to him, I asked him how much he would bet Dobson goes to Hungary.

ElliotCAFC said:

Vjacheslav said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Vjacheslav said:

North Lower Neil said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

thenewbie said:

RonnieMoore said:

thenewbie said:

Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:

1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season 
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't 

So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.

But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.

I hope I'm wrong.

Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and out 

Not if that  player already has a legal contract with another team. 

Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.

I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.

If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.

There is no IF, it is binding.

Agree that Dobo has more than likely gone because he is pre-contractually obliged to go, but if he’s signed a contract 5 months in advance, that will take him and his family to Hungary, without any cooling off period, I think he's been a little bit foolish regardless of what his agent / advisor has said.

Say it again that I've personally moved on from Dobo going, although would obviously like him to stay, but this idea that any contract in football is so binding that things can't and don't happen in the 11th hour is for the birds, especially a contract that is signed so far in advance and that will take you to a foreign country, whether it's regulated by UEFA / FIFA or not. It may incur a financial forfeit, but reckon it’ll be in there and it may be what Jones has kind of alluded to when he’s said he’d like him to stay beyond this season.

In this case the financial forfeit means Charlton must buy out from Videoton. If Dobson don't want to go, this will little bit help the situation, but the price for this transfer will be larger than the original resigned contract with better wage that originally demand by Dobson.

In that situation Videoton also can able to sell him to different team instead of Charlton. 

Yeah, so it's not 100% binding. There's probably a chance for Charlton to buy Dobo out of this contract so, if or when that time comes, Jones etc will need to make their minds up as to whether it would be value for money to cough up and keep him, or we move on and replace him. Think I'm right in saying though, that none of us know what that figure is. 

He'd obviously need to also be offered improved terms from us, and that would be part of the process, but I don't personally think this is a foregone conclusion at all

No, it is binding, because Charlton must pay for to keep Dobbo.

And that's the point here.

He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.

The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 

Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.

At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  

How much do you think his transfer value would be if he refused to play in Hungary?

I heard a 7-figure money for him.

Not in a million years. Maybe it rises to 7-figures if we win the Champions League

Vjacheslav said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

7- figure Money.
I assume that’s 1,000,000 Forints…..about £2,150.🤭

Our friend @Vjacheslav will not put a figure to a bet I put to him, I asked him how much he would bet Dobson goes to Hungary.

Bottle of Unicum?

ElfsborgAddick said:

Vjacheslav said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

SoundAsa£ said:

7- figure Money.
I assume that’s 1,000,000 Forints…..about £2,150.🤭

Our friend @Vjacheslav will not put a figure to a bet I put to him, I asked him how much he would bet Dobson goes to Hungary.

Bottle of Unicum?

So not optimistic at all Dobson will go then.

Vjacheslav said:

ElliotCAFC said:

Vjacheslav said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Vjacheslav said:

North Lower Neil said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

Gribbo said:

Vjacheslav said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

thenewbie said:

RonnieMoore said:

thenewbie said:

Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:

1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season 
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't 

So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.

But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.

I hope I'm wrong.

Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and out 

Not if that  player already has a legal contract with another team. 

Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.

I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.

If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.

There is no IF, it is binding.

Agree that Dobo has more than likely gone because he is pre-contractually obliged to go, but if he’s signed a contract 5 months in advance, that will take him and his family to Hungary, without any cooling off period, I think he's been a little bit foolish regardless of what his agent / advisor has said.

Say it again that I've personally moved on from Dobo going, although would obviously like him to stay, but this idea that any contract in football is so binding that things can't and don't happen in the 11th hour is for the birds, especially a contract that is signed so far in advance and that will take you to a foreign country, whether it's regulated by UEFA / FIFA or not. It may incur a financial forfeit, but reckon it’ll be in there and it may be what Jones has kind of alluded to when he’s said he’d like him to stay beyond this season.

In this case the financial forfeit means Charlton must buy out from Videoton. If Dobson don't want to go, this will little bit help the situation, but the price for this transfer will be larger than the original resigned contract with better wage that originally demand by Dobson.

In that situation Videoton also can able to sell him to different team instead of Charlton. 

Yeah, so it's not 100% binding. There's probably a chance for Charlton to buy Dobo out of this contract so, if or when that time comes, Jones etc will need to make their minds up as to whether it would be value for money to cough up and keep him, or we move on and replace him. Think I'm right in saying though, that none of us know what that figure is. 

He'd obviously need to also be offered improved terms from us, and that would be part of the process, but I don't personally think this is a foregone conclusion at all

No, it is binding, because Charlton must pay for to keep Dobbo.

And that's the point here.

He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.

The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 

Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.

At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  

How much do you think his transfer value would be if he refused to play in Hungary?

I heard a 7-figure money for him.

Not in a million years. Maybe it rises to 7-figures if we win the Champions League

Charlton ask for him close to 500K with  only half year left from his contract, that mains lower price. If we ask for only a double is a 7 figure money.

Athletico Charlton said:

Keep seeing lots of posts and think something might have been updated but it is the same circular conversations over and over in here.

Pre-contracts are common in footy, Dobo signed one.

I don't think he is dim so don't blame his agent as Dobbo is clever enough to make his own mind up I am sure without an agent hoodwinking him in some way.

Dobbo also doesn't seem like someone to "play up/refuse to play"; and anyway I don't know why he would.

Simply lots of wishful thinking of circumstances whereby he might stay.

He won't, he is gone.  The end. 

I am gutted, my kids moreso but he won't be at Charlton next season I am certain. 

And given as @Vjacheslav seems not to be a gambling man, then @ElfsborgAddick I am happy to bet you £50 he is not at Charlton next season and is at this Hungarian club.  Loser pays it to CAFC Community Trust?  How about it?

seth plum said:

The accounts suggest that we sell more than buy.
If Dobson goes how do we buy a player of similar calibre?
The closest in style already at the club is young Kedwell who is nowhere near ready.
Bakinson if he signed on a free isn’t a replacement, nor are Taylor or Coventry. Dobson leaving will need a decisive re adjustment in our style in order to play the cards we are left with.
I will be very surprised if we spend significant money on a Dobson replacement.