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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142
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Signing Dobson will be like a new signing.Callumcafc said:
Right - so the Hungary club is going to demand compensation, effectively a transfer fee to buy his registration back.CAFCDAZ said:so lots depends on the nature of the contract, however if Dobson says his wife and family dont want to move and doesnt want to go alone, do they really want a player that doesn't want to be there?
Ross County midfielder Richard Brittain signed a pre-contract with St Johnstone. The agreement was made in January 2013,[224][225] but Brittain changed his mind three months later,[226] citing family reasons.[227] Ross County registered the player as their own in June,[228] and, after discussions with the Scottish FA,[229] St Johnstone and Ross County came to an agreement to let Brittain stay at the club, with St Johnstone cancelling the pre-contract agreement if Ross County paid compensation13 -
But surely his wife and family wouldn’t have wanted to move to Hungary in January either in that case? Or has Hungary gone down hill since then?CAFCDAZ said:so lots depends on the nature of the contract, however if Dobson says his wife and family dont want to move and doesnt want to go alone, do they really want a player that doesn't want to be there?
Ross County midfielder Richard Brittain signed a pre-contract with St Johnstone. The agreement was made in January 2013,[224][225] but Brittain changed his mind three months later,[226] citing family reasons.[227] Ross County registered the player as their own in June,[228] and, after discussions with the Scottish FA,[229] St Johnstone and Ross County came to an agreement to let Brittain stay at the club, with St Johnstone cancelling the pre-contract agreement if Ross County paid compensation
It’s been said already but no one forced Dobbo to sign this pre contract. If he wasn’t happy with our offer, fair enough, but why then sign for a club in Hungary if you didn’t want to go? Hang on till the summer and see what other UK interest there was and if none then I’m sure our contract offer would have still been on the table. He’s made his bed, now he’ll have to lie in it. If he wants to stay, and NJ wants him to stay, and he can agree terms with us then surely it’s up to him to negotiate his release from his Hungarian contract even if it costs him money. His mistake, why should we pay for it?9 -
Someone’s account has been hacked !!RonnieMoore said:
Why … Dobson was offered a two year deal plus an extra year which he turned down cause he wanted a straight 3 year deal .. it was Dobson and his agent who went to speak to the other club and it was Dobson who accepted the offer , if he really wanted to stay he could have said he will wait till the end of the season before deciding .. but no HE no one else signed…blackpool72 said:Any money we have to pay the Hungarians should come from Andy Scott.
Its up to Dobson and his agent to buy himself out of the contract if he wants to stay not Charlton6 -
If Dobson does go at the end of the season, Scott (& SMT - Methven & Rodwell) will always be remembered for it. Clueless management player management decision.12
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Not if that player already has a legal contract with another team.RonnieMoore said:
Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and outthenewbie said:Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:
1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't
So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.
But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.
I hope I'm wrong.
Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.
I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.3 -
Garrymanilow said:I'm beginning to suspect the number of people with knowledge of how contracts and UEFA rules work is not at all similar to the number of commenters in this thread.
You mean, players cant just shrug their shoulders with a "meh dont fancy you now" and move elsewhere?!?!?!?
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_DOBSON.JPEGChizz said:
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/PragueAddick said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/every-aspect-group/beraterfirma/berater/6902mendonca said:Does anybody know who his agent is? Wonder which other players he 'manages'.Other players I’ve never heard of. Apart from Tennai Watson.
No details given about themselves. Even Macauley Bonne’s idiot agent, a one -man show, had a website
yet another low rent operation leeching a living off football
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/our-clients?pgid=jc7gdz3r-92dbb9eb-0ce2-469f-aa8d-6566c982464e4 -
Very professional. Just what I'd expect from a top-level talent consultancy with a full-service approach and a global reach.Gribbo said:
_DOBSON.JPEGChizz said:
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/PragueAddick said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/every-aspect-group/beraterfirma/berater/6902mendonca said:Does anybody know who his agent is? Wonder which other players he 'manages'.Other players I’ve never heard of. Apart from Tennai Watson.
No details given about themselves. Even Macauley Bonne’s idiot agent, a one -man show, had a website
yet another low rent operation leeching a living off football
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/our-clients?pgid=jc7gdz3r-92dbb9eb-0ce2-469f-aa8d-6566c982464e
See. Anyone can write total bollocks and make it sound plausible. Also, anyone can become an agent. There are no "qualifications". So it is not at all surprising that "agents" and "bollocks" go together like goulash and Bull's Blood.5 -
Don't forget the palinka and the unicum too.PragueAddick said:
Very professional. Just what I'd expect from a top-level talent consultancy with a full-service approach and a global reach.Gribbo said:
_DOBSON.JPEGChizz said:
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/PragueAddick said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/every-aspect-group/beraterfirma/berater/6902mendonca said:Does anybody know who his agent is? Wonder which other players he 'manages'.Other players I’ve never heard of. Apart from Tennai Watson.
No details given about themselves. Even Macauley Bonne’s idiot agent, a one -man show, had a website
yet another low rent operation leeching a living off football
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/our-clients?pgid=jc7gdz3r-92dbb9eb-0ce2-469f-aa8d-6566c982464e
See. Anyone can write total bollocks and make it sound plausible. Also, anyone can become an agent. There are no "qualifications". So it is not at all surprising that "agents" and "bollocks" go together like goulash and Bull's Blood.6 -
PragueAddick said:
Very professional. Just what I'd expect from a top-level talent consultancy with a full-service approach and a global reach.Gribbo said:
_DOBSON.JPEGChizz said:
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/PragueAddick said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/every-aspect-group/beraterfirma/berater/6902mendonca said:Does anybody know who his agent is? Wonder which other players he 'manages'.Other players I’ve never heard of. Apart from Tennai Watson.
No details given about themselves. Even Macauley Bonne’s idiot agent, a one -man show, had a website
yet another low rent operation leeching a living off football
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/our-clients?pgid=jc7gdz3r-92dbb9eb-0ce2-469f-aa8d-6566c982464e
See. Anyone can write total bollocks and make it sound plausible. Also, anyone can become an agent. There are no "qualifications". So it is not at all surprising that "agents" and "bollocks" go together like goulash and Bull's Blood.
A bit like 'marketing' then
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If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprimised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.thenewbie said:
Not if that player already has a legal contract with another team.RonnieMoore said:
Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and outthenewbie said:Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:
1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't
So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.
But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.
I hope I'm wrong.
Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.
I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.2 -
Quite. How do you think I became fluent in it? 🤣IdleHans said:PragueAddick said:
Very professional. Just what I'd expect from a top-level talent consultancy with a full-service approach and a global reach.Gribbo said:
_DOBSON.JPEGChizz said:
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/PragueAddick said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/every-aspect-group/beraterfirma/berater/6902mendonca said:Does anybody know who his agent is? Wonder which other players he 'manages'.Other players I’ve never heard of. Apart from Tennai Watson.
No details given about themselves. Even Macauley Bonne’s idiot agent, a one -man show, had a website
yet another low rent operation leeching a living off football
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/our-clients?pgid=jc7gdz3r-92dbb9eb-0ce2-469f-aa8d-6566c982464e
See. Anyone can write total bollocks and make it sound plausible. Also, anyone can become an agent. There are no "qualifications". So it is not at all surprising that "agents" and "bollocks" go together like goulash and Bull's Blood.
A bit like 'marketing' then2 -
There is no IF, it is binding.ShootersHillGuru said:
If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.thenewbie said:
Not if that player already has a legal contract with another team.RonnieMoore said:
Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and outthenewbie said:Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:
1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't
So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.
But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.
I hope I'm wrong.
Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.
I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.1 -
You would certainly think and expect it to be.Vjacheslav said:
There is no IF, it is binding.ShootersHillGuru said:
If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.thenewbie said:
Not if that player already has a legal contract with another team.RonnieMoore said:
Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and outthenewbie said:Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:
1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't
So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.
But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.
I hope I'm wrong.
Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.
I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.0 -
If it is not binding, then the pre-contract in football is meaningless. However, this is an existing thing regulated by uefa/fifa.ShootersHillGuru said:
You would certainly think and expect it to be.Vjacheslav said:
There is no IF, it is binding.ShootersHillGuru said:
If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.thenewbie said:
Not if that player already has a legal contract with another team.RonnieMoore said:
Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and outthenewbie said:Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:
1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't
So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.
But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.
I hope I'm wrong.
Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.
I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.
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Just for background interest, can anyone think of any current British professionals who currently or in their career spent at least a season in the Czech, Slovak, Polish or Hungarian leagues? I can think of only one, Jamie Lawrence, the Welsh international defender, who spent a couple of seasons with AS Trencin in Slovakia. As it happens I know his Dad, so I know Jamie is far from a typical Brit, partly raised in Amsterdam and a product of the Ajax academy. I don’t know of any others at all.
I was watching my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, last night against Fiorentina in the Conference. Right now Viktoria are pretty much at the same level in their league as Videoton in theirs. 10 of their starting XI last night are Czechs. The other is Brazilian but played his entire pro career in CZ. On the bench all Czechs too apart from one from Ivory Coast.I hesitate to draw any specific conclusion from it, other than that it underlines how very unusual -possibly unique- it is for a British player to make a move to a club in one of these countries. Possibly, just possibly, Videoton might be looking at the fuss and noise around this and thinking, sod it, lets do a deal and back out of this.1 -
No one will care either way if we are promoted this time next year.vff said:If Dobson does go at the end of the season, Scott (& SMT - Methven & Rodwell) will always be remembered for it. Clueless management player management decision.8 -
My mate spoke to Dobbo at West Ham’s Euro Final - he wants to stay at Charlton - Fact.He was standing on a table singing West Ham songs at the time !2
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HungaryPragueAddick said:Just for background interest, can anyone think of any current British professionals who currently or in their career spent at least a season in the Czech, Slovak, Polish or Hungarian leagues? I can think of only one, Jamie Lawrence, the Welsh international defender, who spent a couple of seasons with AS Trencin in Slovakia. As it happens I know his Dad, so I know Jamie is far from a typical Brit, partly raised in Amsterdam and a product of the Ajax academy. I don’t know of any others at all.
I was watching my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, last night against Fiorentina in the Conference. Right now Viktoria are pretty much at the same level in their league as Videoton in theirs. 10 of their starting XI last night are Czechs. The other is Brazilian but played his entire pro career in CZ. On the bench all Czechs too apart from one from Ivory Coast.I hesitate to draw any specific conclusion from it, other than that it underlines how very unusual -possibly unique- it is for a British player to make a move to a club in one of these countries. Possibly, just possibly, Videoton might be looking at the fuss and noise around this and thinking, sod it, lets do a deal and back out of this.- Ex Charlton loanee Nathan Ecclestone went to Békéscsaba in 2016.
- James Ashmore (ex Sheff United) signed for Ferencváros in 2010.
- Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill (ex Arsenal and Swindon) ended up at Puskás Akadémia FC.
- Rohan Ricketts (ex Arsenal and Spurs!) has played just about everywhere.
- Paul Shaw (ex Arsenal, M*llwank, Gillingham) went to Ferencváros in 2008.
- Sam Stockley (journeyman) went to Ferencváros in 2010.
- Tony Stokes went from West Ham to Ujpest.
- James Weir (ex ManUre) went to MTK Budapest.
- Tommy "Tommy" Doherty (not that one) went to Ferencváros in 2010.
- Cameron Borthwick-Jackson – Śląsk Wrocław (2023)
- Tom Hateley – Śląsk Wrocław (2014-2016), Piast Gliwice (2018-)
- Eddie Stanford – Legia Warsaw (2004)
- D'sean Theobalds – Korona Kielce (2020)
- Rashid Yussuff – Arka Gdynia (2016)
- Mark Burke – Rapid București – 2001–2002
- Shayon Harrison – Politehnica Iași – 2023–
- Ross Jenkins – ACS Poli Timișoara – 2015–2016
- Wilson Kneeshaw – ACS Poli Timișoara – 2013–2014
- Jeffrey Monakana – FC Voluntari – 2015–2016
- Jordan Mustoe – Dinamo București – 2018–2019
- Jordan Robertson – Gaz Metan Mediaș – 2013–2014
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Holiday ?Chizz said:
Ex Charlton loanee Nathan Ecclestone went to Békéscsaba in 2016.PragueAddick said:Just for background interest, can anyone think of any current British professionals who currently or in their career spent at least a season in the Czech, Slovak, Polish or Hungarian leagues? I can think of only one, Jamie Lawrence, the Welsh international defender, who spent a couple of seasons with AS Trencin in Slovakia. As it happens I know his Dad, so I know Jamie is far from a typical Brit, partly raised in Amsterdam and a product of the Ajax academy. I don’t know of any others at all.
I was watching my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, last night against Fiorentina in the Conference. Right now Viktoria are pretty much at the same level in their league as Videoton in theirs. 10 of their starting XI last night are Czechs. The other is Brazilian but played his entire pro career in CZ. On the bench all Czechs too apart from one from Ivory Coast.I hesitate to draw any specific conclusion from it, other than that it underlines how very unusual -possibly unique- it is for a British player to make a move to a club in one of these countries. Possibly, just possibly, Videoton might be looking at the fuss and noise around this and thinking, sod it, lets do a deal and back out of this.8 - Sponsored links:
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Yeah. Paid holiday.ShootersHillGuru said:
Holiday ?Chizz said:
Ex Charlton loanee Nathan Ecclestone went to Békéscsaba in 2016.PragueAddick said:Just for background interest, can anyone think of any current British professionals who currently or in their career spent at least a season in the Czech, Slovak, Polish or Hungarian leagues? I can think of only one, Jamie Lawrence, the Welsh international defender, who spent a couple of seasons with AS Trencin in Slovakia. As it happens I know his Dad, so I know Jamie is far from a typical Brit, partly raised in Amsterdam and a product of the Ajax academy. I don’t know of any others at all.
I was watching my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, last night against Fiorentina in the Conference. Right now Viktoria are pretty much at the same level in their league as Videoton in theirs. 10 of their starting XI last night are Czechs. The other is Brazilian but played his entire pro career in CZ. On the bench all Czechs too apart from one from Ivory Coast.I hesitate to draw any specific conclusion from it, other than that it underlines how very unusual -possibly unique- it is for a British player to make a move to a club in one of these countries. Possibly, just possibly, Videoton might be looking at the fuss and noise around this and thinking, sod it, lets do a deal and back out of this.0 -
Sure, but if Scott is in charge of player decisions, above Nathan Jones, then challenging for promotion will be much harder to achieve.Callumcafc said:
No one will care either way if we are promoted this time next year.vff said:If Dobson does go at the end of the season, Scott (& SMT - Methven & Rodwell) will always be remembered for it. Clueless management player management decision.
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Very good @Chizz. No idea how you do it. So clearly the Dobbo move would not be “unique” however in that apparently long list there is nobody actually in the region now (?)0
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Today Brandon(Puskas) scored a goal against Mezokovesd.Chizz said:
HungaryPragueAddick said:Just for background interest, can anyone think of any current British professionals who currently or in their career spent at least a season in the Czech, Slovak, Polish or Hungarian leagues? I can think of only one, Jamie Lawrence, the Welsh international defender, who spent a couple of seasons with AS Trencin in Slovakia. As it happens I know his Dad, so I know Jamie is far from a typical Brit, partly raised in Amsterdam and a product of the Ajax academy. I don’t know of any others at all.
I was watching my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, last night against Fiorentina in the Conference. Right now Viktoria are pretty much at the same level in their league as Videoton in theirs. 10 of their starting XI last night are Czechs. The other is Brazilian but played his entire pro career in CZ. On the bench all Czechs too apart from one from Ivory Coast.I hesitate to draw any specific conclusion from it, other than that it underlines how very unusual -possibly unique- it is for a British player to make a move to a club in one of these countries. Possibly, just possibly, Videoton might be looking at the fuss and noise around this and thinking, sod it, lets do a deal and back out of this.- Ex Charlton loanee Nathan Ecclestone went to Békéscsaba in 2016.
- James Ashmore (ex Sheff United) signed for Ferencváros in 2010.
- Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill (ex Arsenal and Swindon) ended up at Puskás Akadémia FC.
- Rohan Ricketts (ex Arsenal and Spurs!) has played just about everywhere.
- Paul Shaw (ex Arsenal, M*llwank, Gillingham) went to Ferencváros in 2008.
- Sam Stockley (journeyman) went to Ferencváros in 2010.
- Tony Stokes went from West Ham to Ujpest.
- James Weir (ex ManUre) went to MTK Budapest.
- Tommy "Tommy" Doherty (not that one) went to Ferencváros in 2010.
- Cameron Borthwick-Jackson – Śląsk Wrocław (2023)
- Tom Hateley – Śląsk Wrocław (2014-2016), Piast Gliwice (2018-)
- Eddie Stanford – Legia Warsaw (2004)
- D'sean Theobalds – Korona Kielce (2020)
- Rashid Yussuff – Arka Gdynia (2016)
- Mark Burke – Rapid București – 2001–2002
- Shayon Harrison – Politehnica Iași – 2023–
- Ross Jenkins – ACS Poli Timișoara – 2015–2016
- Wilson Kneeshaw – ACS Poli Timișoara – 2013–2014
- Jeffrey Monakana – FC Voluntari – 2015–2016
- Jordan Mustoe – Dinamo București – 2018–2019
- Jordan Robertson – Gaz Metan Mediaș – 2013–2014
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vff said:
Sure, but if Scott is in charge of player decisions, above Nathan Jones, then challenging for promotion will be much harder to achieve.Callumcafc said:
No one will care either way if we are promoted this time next year.vff said:If Dobson does go at the end of the season, Scott (& SMT - Methven & Rodwell) will always be remembered for it. Clueless management player management decision.I feel a bit sorry for Andy Scott.I’d be stunned if he has complete control over recruitment and personnel as people like to imagine. Especially now - he’s talked about improving recruitment processes, not to mention Nathan Jones is going to want a bigger say too. Scott is just a convenient bogeyman for larger problems that the whole club has been suffering from for years.
As a professional football club, we must have a recruitment team identifying players. As far as I know, no-one knows who’s part of this team but they will have been advising on ins and outs before Scott got here, and since he arrived. A lot of our frustration should be directed at the people responsible for advising Gallen, Sandgaard and now Scott.
I strongly doubt he’s been working alone on player personnel but if true then no surprise it’d be inadequate when he has to focus on strategy for the women’s team, the academy and other areas all at the same time.
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Is Jordan Mustoe Robbie’s son?Chizz said:
HungaryPragueAddick said:Just for background interest, can anyone think of any current British professionals who currently or in their career spent at least a season in the Czech, Slovak, Polish or Hungarian leagues? I can think of only one, Jamie Lawrence, the Welsh international defender, who spent a couple of seasons with AS Trencin in Slovakia. As it happens I know his Dad, so I know Jamie is far from a typical Brit, partly raised in Amsterdam and a product of the Ajax academy. I don’t know of any others at all.
I was watching my Czech team, Viktoria Plzen, last night against Fiorentina in the Conference. Right now Viktoria are pretty much at the same level in their league as Videoton in theirs. 10 of their starting XI last night are Czechs. The other is Brazilian but played his entire pro career in CZ. On the bench all Czechs too apart from one from Ivory Coast.I hesitate to draw any specific conclusion from it, other than that it underlines how very unusual -possibly unique- it is for a British player to make a move to a club in one of these countries. Possibly, just possibly, Videoton might be looking at the fuss and noise around this and thinking, sod it, lets do a deal and back out of this.- Ex Charlton loanee Nathan Ecclestone went to Békéscsaba in 2016.
- James Ashmore (ex Sheff United) signed for Ferencváros in 2010.
- Brandon Ormonde-Ottewill (ex Arsenal and Swindon) ended up at Puskás Akadémia FC.
- Rohan Ricketts (ex Arsenal and Spurs!) has played just about everywhere.
- Paul Shaw (ex Arsenal, M*llwank, Gillingham) went to Ferencváros in 2008.
- Sam Stockley (journeyman) went to Ferencváros in 2010.
- Tony Stokes went from West Ham to Ujpest.
- James Weir (ex ManUre) went to MTK Budapest.
- Tommy "Tommy" Doherty (not that one) went to Ferencváros in 2010.
- Cameron Borthwick-Jackson – Śląsk Wrocław (2023)
- Tom Hateley – Śląsk Wrocław (2014-2016), Piast Gliwice (2018-)
- Eddie Stanford – Legia Warsaw (2004)
- D'sean Theobalds – Korona Kielce (2020)
- Rashid Yussuff – Arka Gdynia (2016)
- Mark Burke – Rapid București – 2001–2002
- Shayon Harrison – Politehnica Iași – 2023–
- Ross Jenkins – ACS Poli Timișoara – 2015–2016
- Wilson Kneeshaw – ACS Poli Timișoara – 2013–2014
- Jeffrey Monakana – FC Voluntari – 2015–2016
- Jordan Mustoe – Dinamo București – 2018–2019
- Jordan Robertson – Gaz Metan Mediaș – 2013–2014
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Vjacheslav said:
There is no IF, it is binding.ShootersHillGuru said:
If the contract isn’t legally binding I don’t see the point of either the club or the player signing it. If and it’s a big if, there is an escape clause for either party then unless it is without penalty which seems unlikely to me then the defaulting party is probably liable to pay some sort of compensation. Default by the football club would leave George without a club and income and default by George would leave the clubs pre season planning comprised. I don’t see either party not wanting something out of the deal.thenewbie said:
Not if that player already has a legal contract with another team.RonnieMoore said:
Difference now is that Jones is the manager and will make all decisions on players in and outthenewbie said:Speaking as someone with absolutely no knowledge (or interest) in the minutiae of football contracts (or pre contracts), whether English, Hungarian or from anywhere else, the actual facts that I can see are fairly simple:
1. Dobsons current contract with Charlton runs out at the end of the season
2. He has some sort of agreement with the Hungarian team after this date
3. Jones rates him highly, Scott seemingly doesn't
So as I see it the current situation is that Dobson is off at the end of this season. Yes, its a shame. Yes, Scott is a moron. Yes, we will miss Dobson and struggle to replace him.
But there is zero actual evidence that him being here next season is based on anything beyond wishful thinking. Jones may want him to stay but that doesn't mean anything - Curbs wanted to keep Parker, Powell would have kept Kermorgant. They still left.
I hope I'm wrong.
Which is ultimately what it comes down to. If there is something that means Dobson can opt out then chances are that he could be back next season. If the pre-contract is legally binding he's gone.
I don't like the idea but I'm still very much of the idea he's off to Hungary but hoping to be surprised rather than expecting him back.
Agree that Dobo has more than likely gone because he is pre-contractually obliged to go, but if he’s signed a contract 5 months in advance, that will take him and his family to Hungary, without any cooling off period, I think he's been a little bit foolish regardless of what his agent / advisor has said.Say it again that I've personally moved on from Dobo going, although would obviously like him to stay, but this idea that any contract in football is so binding that things can't and don't happen in the 11th hour is for the birds, especially a contract that is signed so far in advance and that will take you to a foreign country, whether it's regulated by UEFA / FIFA or not. It may incur a financial forfeit, but reckon it’ll be in there and it may be what Jones has kind of alluded to when he’s said he’d like him to stay beyond this season.
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Got nothing to do with any of them ..(Methven does not even have a say in player deals or in the say to say running of the club )vff said:If Dobson does go at the end of the season, Scott (& SMT - Methven & Rodwell) will always be remembered for it. Clueless management player management decision.6 -
Scott only going after players that the manager wants , remember Appleton saying that he gave AS list of players he wanted it’s now down to the recruitment team to get them in … now with Jones as a manager he is now above Scott in the recruitment set upCallumcafc said:vff said:
Sure, but if Scott is in charge of player decisions, above Nathan Jones, then challenging for promotion will be much harder to achieve.Callumcafc said:
No one will care either way if we are promoted this time next year.vff said:If Dobson does go at the end of the season, Scott (& SMT - Methven & Rodwell) will always be remembered for it. Clueless management player management decision.I feel a bit sorry for Andy Scott.I’d be stunned if he has complete control over recruitment and personnel as people like to imagine. Especially now - he’s talked about improving recruitment processes, not to mention Nathan Jones is going to want a bigger say too. Scott is just a convenient bogeyman for larger problems that the whole club has been suffering from for years.
As a professional football club, we must have a recruitment team identifying players. As far as I know, no-one knows who’s part of this team but they will have been advising on ins and outs before Scott got here, and since he arrived. A lot of our frustration should be directed at the people responsible for advising Gallen, Sandgaard and now Scott.
I strongly doubt he’s been working alone on player personnel but if true then no surprise it’d be inadequate when he has to focus on strategy for the women’s team, the academy and other areas all at the same time.
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An extract from their site:PragueAddick said:
Very professional. Just what I'd expect from a top-level talent consultancy with a full-service approach and a global reach.Gribbo said:
_DOBSON.JPEGChizz said:
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/PragueAddick said:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/every-aspect-group/beraterfirma/berater/6902mendonca said:Does anybody know who his agent is? Wonder which other players he 'manages'.Other players I’ve never heard of. Apart from Tennai Watson.
No details given about themselves. Even Macauley Bonne’s idiot agent, a one -man show, had a website
yet another low rent operation leeching a living off football
https://www.everyaspectgroup.com/our-clients?pgid=jc7gdz3r-92dbb9eb-0ce2-469f-aa8d-6566c982464e
See. Anyone can write total bollocks and make it sound plausible. Also, anyone can become an agent. There are no "qualifications". So it is not at all surprising that "agents" and "bollocks" go together like goulash and Bull's Blood.
"Financial advice, Wealth management, Mortgages
We have you covered"
Which is interesting as they do not appear to have FCA authorisation to do any of these things.
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