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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142

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  • Gribbo said:
    I know, the other fella is talking like absolutely nothing can be done to change things
    Nothing other than a normal transfer can be done. 
  • I just can’t see him kicking a ball in Hungary…..as to what the consequences of that will turn out to be, is as clear as mud.🤔
  • There seem to be quite a few people on this thread who are absolutely confident of the validity, veracity and unimpeachability of the pre-contract Dobson appears to have executed.  However, to be certain of the outcome, one also has to be certain of the answer to a few questions.  I thought it might be interesting to articulate those questions, in an attempt to shed some darkness on the light others seem to be emanating.  

    The questions that must be answered before determining whether the pre-contract is "binding", include the following: 

    1. Is the Pre-Contract "subject to contract"?  In many pre-contracts, the heads of terms are often laid out and the intention and willingness of both parties to be bound by such terms is clarified.  But they remain "subject to contract", in order to prevent one or both parties falling foul of (foreseen or unforeseen) circumstances.  For example, if the player is prevented from signing the contract for some legal or technical issue, neither party would necessarily want to be held to the terms.  So, do we know if the pre-contract is "subject to contract"? 
    2. Is the pre-contract a Memorandum of Understanding, a Letter of Intent or a contract of employment?  If it's an MoU, or LoI, then both parties are signalling that, without prejudice, they're have the intention of completing the execution (signing) of the contract in the time period dictated (eg "this Summer").  Or, is it a contract, where both parties agree and sign on the dotted line?  The former (MoU or LoI) would be the simplest, most straightforward means of signalling intent to sign a contract at a specified time in the future (I have signed a lot of these, fwiw).  Or is it a contract?  (Which would not be binding, since he's already under contract, until 30 June 2024).  
    3. Does Dobson have a Work Permit and a Work Visa for Hungary?  Since the UK is no longer a member of the EU, a third-country citizen requires both of these in order to play professional football in Hungary.  If one or both are not yet in place, he cannot play and, one would assume (if the club have done their homework) would not be able to sign a contract.  
    4. When did the negotiation between Dobson and/or his representatives start with the club in Hungary? If the first contract was before January, then FIFA's regulations state: "Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions". 
    5. When did the club inform Charlton, in writing, that they were negotiating a contract with Dobson?  If they omitted to do this, FIFA's regulations state: "Any breach of this provision shall be subject to appropriate sanctions". 

    And, there's one more important question which still needs to be answered.  It's possibly more important than any of those above. 

    6. Who does George Dobson want to play for next season? 
  • 1. No 
    2. It’s a contract, this type of transfer happens 100s of not 1,000s of times a year
    3. Irrelevant 
    4/5. These rules are, sadly, a total joke. When has tapping up ever resulted in a cancelled contract?
    6. irrelevant 
  • I suppose a work visa and a work permit has to be applied for by the actual worker and not somebody else on their behalf.
    What if Dobson doesn’t apply for a permit or visa, does somebody forge his signature?
  • 1. No 
    2. It’s a contract, this type of transfer happens 100s of not 1,000s of times a year
    3. Irrelevant 
    4/5. These rules are, sadly, a total joke. When has tapping up ever resulted in a cancelled contract?
    6. irrelevant 
    Just for clarification, you're saying his work permit and work visa are irrelevant and it doesn't matter who he wants to play for?
  • And that's the point here.

    He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

    How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

    For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.
    Exactly ⏫️ 👍 
  • And that's the point here.

    He could possibly stay, but for that to happen Charlton would have to agree a figure with Fehervar for them to agree to rip the contract up.

    How realistic that figure is is key - it would need to be enough for Fehervar to think they're better off having the money than signing Dobson when he might rather stay, but small enough for Charlton to think they've not spent too much on their 'own' player and/or can do better offering that money on a different player.

    For what it's worth I think he'll go - sadly the mess was created in January and that'll be that despite everyone wishing it wasn't.
    The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 
    Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.
    At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  
  • I think the biggest key to this is George himself, ultimately if he has changed his mind and decided he doesn't want to play in Hungary will Ferharvar want to be shelling out what is likely a high weekly wage by their standards to a player who doesn't want to be there? 

    I am sure if the Charlton and George want to make it happen then an agreement with Ferharvar could be made.

    It was a very strange decision to make on George's part if he wasn't 100% convinced as so much can change in 6 months.

    My thoughts are that he will go to Hungary and be back in the EFL on loan in January 2025, whether that be at Charlton or another top end league one club is anyone's guess.
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  • Chizz said:
    Just for clarification, you're saying his work permit and work visa are irrelevant and it doesn't matter who he wants to play for?
    Absolutely, even without a work visa they’d still hold his footballing registration, this also isn’t that uncommon.

    Who he wants to play for is irrelevant, unless the club decide him not wanting to be there is enough to sell him. 
  • DA9 said:
    Like him or not, he’s a businessman, and clearly likes being involved in football clubs, I see nothing strange about a shareholder of the club (no matter how small compared to the main GFP in investors) being at one of our U21 games. The guy can’t win with you, if he was completely missing from every aspect of the club on any level on match days, I’m sure you’d criticise that too.
    We get it, you don’t like him, he and many other club employees or shareholders in the past or future will not have had any affiliation with us

    If Methven delivers promotion and a balance sheet in the black in the next 12 months I will like him.
  • IF Dobson was going, do you really think he would be anywhere near the first team selection now we are out of danger of relegation, if we were ever really in it that is...
    Dobson is going nowhere next year, and will be signing an extension with us soon as season is over, probably for 2 years + 1 optional...
    This thread is amazing in it's sustainability...🙄
    Even if he is going, why wouldn't be play him?

    After all if you have someone really good on  loan for you (like a Rak-Sakyi) you don't leave them out from the final games of the season because they won't be with you next season.
  • Nothing other than a normal transfer can be done. 
    Have you seen the contract then Stu? 
  • seth plum said:
    If Methven delivers promotion and a balance sheet in the black in the next 12 months I will like him.
    Methven has far less to do with Charlton than often made out. And delivering promotion and break-even is impossible no matter who is calling the shots.
  • Gribbo said:
    Have you seen the contract then Stu? 
    I talked with member of the club about the contract, and he know all of the content, and he told me it is Binding for both party. Binding for Dobbo, and also binding for Videoton. If Dobbo breaks his leg at his final game at Charlton, we have to pay his salary after 1th of July.
  • fenaddick said:
    Not sure about that. He's being asked about him in virtually every interview, he's hardly going to say "no I think Dobson's crap". 

    The post-match interview yesterday he singled out Dobson for his quality. He has said a few times now people see him as a defensive midfielder, and he has said he has more quality than that.

    May be nothing just seems to me he is making a point to either those above or Dobson himself.


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  • Gribbo said:
    Have you seen the contract then Stu? 
    I don’t need to, it’s a very standard contract within football, the idea that this would be some unique exception is utter madness. 
  • Has his passport got at least 6 months on it before it expires? 😁😁😁
    Normal ID enough at the EU, no need passport.
    At Hungary the driving licence is also enough, but maybe for the hungarian people.
  • I don’t need to, it’s a very standard contract within football, the idea that this would be some unique exception is utter madness. 
    Okay 👍 
  • The other thing is that, Dobson's transfer fee, with only half year left from his contract, was around between 300-500K EUR. As I heard the first several offer declined, but the final one accepted by Charlton(Scott). In this case the contract lenght will be 3 years, so the transfer fee will be much more higher than that Charlton could had received at February. 
    Jones had kept Dobbo for half year, and avoid the relegation, and a same time Charlton lost the transfer fee.
    At the other hand, Charlton lose Dobbo for nothing, or have to pay much more higher to keep him.  
    How much do you think his transfer value would be if he refused to play in Hungary?
  • We were pretty obviously pushing him out of the door at the time.  Jones coming in changed that.

    I think it was a weird choice to not wait until the summer and see what offers he got, but he wasn't forcing a move etc.

    It was our mess.
    Pushing, not pushed. He could have done a Clarke Harris and waited until the summer
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