George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142

Gribbo said:

LoOkOuT said:

Don’t expect Dobbo in on Tuesday. Don’t forget he’s got a sore calf!

Was that part of his signing on fee? -

That looks more like our defence at the moment.

killerandflash said:

The whole situation is baffling, and the leaking of information isn't helping either.

Did Scott want Dobson to stay or not, and for that matter did Appleton rate him? After they brought in Coventry and Bakinson in January, plus with Camara and Taylor to return, if they didn't want him here next season, then why make him an offer at all? Was Coventry the right midfielder to bring in if Dobson stays, rather than a No 10?

And why did he then sign with a Hungarian side, rather than wait until the summer? And was the initial contact from Hungary for next season or for a February transfer? Was it the Hungarians pushing for a February deal, the player or Scott? 

And who then cancelled the February move?

All will be revealed in the next episode of SOAP.

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

For me it’s nothing to do with the perceived quality of league etc. I understand that a footballers career is very finite, and ultimately they need to try and make as much money, and play at the highest level they can, during the period they play. 

If he was a single bloke, then maybe, but I just don’t understand why with a very young family, you would make such a move unless it was for an absolutely life changing wage - which I just don’t think it will be.

With 6 months left on his contract it just tells me that they know they won’t get an offer better than what Charlton offered from another English team. 

FishCostaFortune said:

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

For me it’s nothing to do with the perceived quality of league etc. I understand that a footballers career is very finite, and ultimately they need to try and make as much money, and play at the highest level they can, during the period they play. 

If he was a single bloke, then maybe, but I just don’t understand why with a very young family, you would make such a move unless it was for an absolutely life changing wage - which I just don’t think it will be.

With 6 months left on his contract it just tells me that they know they won’t get an offer better than what Charlton offered from another English team. 

Don't know what he earns here, but it's more than possible for him to be getting towards £1m with bonuses etc at the new club plus a decent signing on fee, Hungary has very low tax rates as well (flat 15% on income), so likely he'd need to earn at least 50% more in the UK to net the same. 

Plus many people see working abroad for a period as an adventure and an opportunity.

Rob7Lee said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

For me it’s nothing to do with the perceived quality of league etc. I understand that a footballers career is very finite, and ultimately they need to try and make as much money, and play at the highest level they can, during the period they play. 

If he was a single bloke, then maybe, but I just don’t understand why with a very young family, you would make such a move unless it was for an absolutely life changing wage - which I just don’t think it will be.

With 6 months left on his contract it just tells me that they know they won’t get an offer better than what Charlton offered from another English team. 

Don't know what he earns here, but it's more than possible for him to be getting towards £1m with bonuses etc at the new club plus a decent signing on fee, Hungary has very low tax rates as well (flat 15% on income), so likely he'd need to earn at least 50% more in the UK to net the same. 

Plus many people see working abroad for a period as an adventure and an opportunity.

I can’t speak for other people or George Dobson, but I don’t think in life when you have a baby, that you are looking for adventure at that point. 

ElfsborgAddick said:

Braziliance said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Braziliance said:

Vjacheslav said:

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

Thank you for this. So many good memories, and trips.

All good, thanks for signing up and sharing your views as a Fehervar fan. 

I plan on doing a lot of travelling in the near future, and provided Dobson does end up at your club, I'll be sure to go and watch a game there when I visit Hungary 👍🏻

If you do end up with him, you genuinely have a brilliant player for your club, and he will shine surrounded by better players imo. I hope he gets the platform he deserves, I am genuinely gutted that it isn't going to be with us.

"Better players", you might be surprised at the standard out there.

I don't think I will be tbh, I can take a look at some of the results they've achieved, and watch my team struggle against the likes of Northampton, Port Vale, Burton and Carlisle, and assume the football is of a higher quality. Hungarian football is probably at it's best it's been in a long time right now and producing some very decent talents, a lot of which finding themselves competing for sides in the Bundesliga.

If we can't beat the teams I've mentioned this season, there's no doubt in my mind that these top flight European teams would shred us to pieces, and employ a much higher standard of footballer than what we watch most of the time. 

Aberdeen sit 9th in the Scottish prem and made us look like part timers in pre-season. 

I was not comparing them to us.  I was talking about Hungarian football in general.

In generally better, than 10 or 20 years ago. My first ever match was against United at 1985. We won the game with penalties. I was 4 year old child, I didn't remember anything just a crowd. In 1986 Hungary play at the world cup, but lose against sovjet union, and that time is the begening of the decline of hungarian futball. I was grow up at the our stadium, from late 80's, early 90's. That time the quality of the hungarian futball was highly declined. At late 90's we always fight agains the relegation, and finaly we relegated to the second league. Next year we won the second league with record point and goals, and promoted to the first league again. That time there was no money at the league, there was a lot of furtune kinght, the payments were late, or pay less than agreed. The players betting against the own match, and cheat to get big money. That was the darkest era of hungarian futball, and the crowd left from stadiums in increasingly poor condition. Many teams disappeared or were relegated to lower leagues.

Vjacheslav said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Braziliance said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

Braziliance said:

Vjacheslav said:

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

Thank you for this. So many good memories, and trips.

All good, thanks for signing up and sharing your views as a Fehervar fan. 

I plan on doing a lot of travelling in the near future, and provided Dobson does end up at your club, I'll be sure to go and watch a game there when I visit Hungary 👍🏻

If you do end up with him, you genuinely have a brilliant player for your club, and he will shine surrounded by better players imo. I hope he gets the platform he deserves, I am genuinely gutted that it isn't going to be with us.

"Better players", you might be surprised at the standard out there.

I don't think I will be tbh, I can take a look at some of the results they've achieved, and watch my team struggle against the likes of Northampton, Port Vale, Burton and Carlisle, and assume the football is of a higher quality. Hungarian football is probably at it's best it's been in a long time right now and producing some very decent talents, a lot of which finding themselves competing for sides in the Bundesliga.

If we can't beat the teams I've mentioned this season, there's no doubt in my mind that these top flight European teams would shred us to pieces, and employ a much higher standard of footballer than what we watch most of the time. 

Aberdeen sit 9th in the Scottish prem and made us look like part timers in pre-season. 

I was not comparing them to us.  I was talking about Hungarian football in general.

In generally better, than 10 or 20 years ago. My first ever match was against United at 1985. We won the game with penalties. I was 4 year old child, I didn't remember anything just a crowd. In 1986 Hungary play at the world cup, but lose against sovjet union, and that time is the begening of the decline of hungarian futball. I was grow up at the our stadium, from late 80's, early 90's. That time the quality of the hungarian futball was highly declined. At late 90's we always fight agains the relegation, and finaly we relegated to the second league. Next year we won the second league with record point and goals, and promoted to the first league again. That time there was no money at the league, there was a lot of furtune kinght, the payments were late, or pay less than agreed. The players betting against the own match, and cheat to get big money. That was the darkest era of hungarian futball, and the crowd left from stadiums in increasingly poor condition. Many teams disappeared or were relegated to lower leagues.

At the late 20's the goverment (fidesz) push money to the futball, builted a lot of stadiums, add money to youth development incrase the insfrastructure, build a lot of pitches everyvery at the country. And also builted akademys.

That time we also received the new owner, how is currently our owner too. He pushed a lot of money to the club, and our stadium is also rebuilded at that time. We won our first leauge title at 2011. From that time we participant the europien compettitions.

Nowdays mlsz has discussion with the clubs to incrase the number of the teams. They also pay for young players playtime to the clubs.

So now the hungarian futball is much better than 10 years ago. We made the European Championship for the third time in a row. Maybe you remember our last match between England, and Hungary at Wolverhampton.

We also have a player at premier league, I think you know him Dominik Szoboszlai. He is born in my city Szekesfehervar, and start playing at my club, but his father founded the small youth club called Főnix, and he gow up at this small futball workshop.

Currently the clubs have bigger budget, than before, and able to sign better foregin players, and also lot of talents came from the academys. And also a lot of talents move to abroad to the youth leagues, also to England.   

Every single fan on here will remember Fehervar legend Loic Nego as well.

FishCostaFortune said:

Rob7Lee said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

For me it’s nothing to do with the perceived quality of league etc. I understand that a footballers career is very finite, and ultimately they need to try and make as much money, and play at the highest level they can, during the period they play. 

If he was a single bloke, then maybe, but I just don’t understand why with a very young family, you would make such a move unless it was for an absolutely life changing wage - which I just don’t think it will be.

With 6 months left on his contract it just tells me that they know they won’t get an offer better than what Charlton offered from another English team. 

Don't know what he earns here, but it's more than possible for him to be getting towards £1m with bonuses etc at the new club plus a decent signing on fee, Hungary has very low tax rates as well (flat 15% on income), so likely he'd need to earn at least 50% more in the UK to net the same. 

Plus many people see working abroad for a period as an adventure and an opportunity.

I can’t speak for other people or George Dobson, but I don’t think in life when you have a baby, that you are looking for adventure at that point. 

Just doing some research and the average salary seems to be about £8,500 a month. However Ferenacvos will pay significantly better and you have to expect George will be one of the higher earners in that team as well. 

However there needs to be a massive increase to the average to make it anywhere near a million a year. 

That's all well and good, but he hasn't signed for Ferencvaros.

FishCostaFortune said:

Rob7Lee said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Braziliance said:

Well, it seems like someone at the club who actually understands football, has realised how important Dobson could be in a relegation fight and has stood their ground. Thank Christ. 

Some of the comments not understanding the move to Hungary are quite amusing for me. 

Videoton/Fehervar have been competing in Europe and getting results/competing in recent years against the likes of: Chelsea, Ludogrets, Malmo, AEK Athens, Partizan, PAOK, Bordeaux, Reims, Köln. Do you genuinely not understand how bad the likes of those clubs would smash us to fkn pieces on the pitch 😂 Play league 1 footie surrounded by players who look like they've won a competition and don't put in half the effort you do, or, join a team that competes to win their league and is willing to pay you a very fair wage in a nice country. What a decision.

Suspect it's the people with the same view that Rangers wasn't a big move at the time for Aribo. It's a brilliant move for Dobson at this stage of his career. 

When it's all said and done, he will be able to say he played European football for one of the best teams in a different country, OR he could say, he scraped by, year after year for a club that's been mismanaged by absolute crooks in League 1. 

In an ideal world, he would have stayed, and he would have been one of the main people in charge of a promotion challenging team. Unfortunately, getting a senior role at Charlton is the easiest job application in the world apparently, and his situation has been completely mismanaged. 

Good luck to Dobson. I hope he can help keep us in this poxy league for another year, and we can wipe the stains from the club that currently have far too much say, next season. 👍🏻

For me it’s nothing to do with the perceived quality of league etc. I understand that a footballers career is very finite, and ultimately they need to try and make as much money, and play at the highest level they can, during the period they play. 

If he was a single bloke, then maybe, but I just don’t understand why with a very young family, you would make such a move unless it was for an absolutely life changing wage - which I just don’t think it will be.

With 6 months left on his contract it just tells me that they know they won’t get an offer better than what Charlton offered from another English team. 

Don't know what he earns here, but it's more than possible for him to be getting towards £1m with bonuses etc at the new club plus a decent signing on fee, Hungary has very low tax rates as well (flat 15% on income), so likely he'd need to earn at least 50% more in the UK to net the same. 

Plus many people see working abroad for a period as an adventure and an opportunity.

I can’t speak for other people or George Dobson, but I don’t think in life when you have a baby, that you are looking for adventure at that point. 

Just doing some research and the average salary seems to be about £8,500 a month. However Ferenacvos will pay significantly better and you have to expect George will be one of the higher earners in that team as well. 

However there needs to be a massive increase to the average to make it anywhere near a million a year. 

If Dobson earns £11-12K pw there which seems possible based on your post then his take home will be equivalent to him earning £1M pa here.  

Even at lower levels the difference is huge due to the tax. 

Let's imagine we agreed to pay £6K pw.  So £312K pa = £172K after tax in UK.  Then assume the Hungarian club agreed £8.5K pw - doesn't seem unreasonable based on your post above = £376K take home, so a little over double, and in 3 years sets him up for life.  

@Vjacheslav

Good morning. It's great that you educate all of us with facts and insights about HU football and your club. We often have to do similar to "ignorant" outsiders, because we are obsessive about our club, as you are, and we all recognise you as 'one of us" a proper fan who goes away games. 

But when football professionals in the UK (as opposed to fans) question whether moving to the NB1 is a career move for Dobbo they are looking at it in a global context. HU is very much like CZ; population about 10mill, ex communist country in Central Europe with a football pedigree (actually similar traditional playing style - the Vienna school - according to some). What you wrote about the recent improvement in HU, is similar to what I see here in CZ, with the exception that politicians here have not been involved, thankfully. But these two leagues struggle, not least because the best players will always be quickly lured away to the bigger Euro leagues.

The average attendance in NB1 was the best since 2011/12. It was 3,539. You mention Puskas Academy, one place behind your lot in the table. Isn't it fair to describe this club as basically completely artificial, playing  in a village with a population of 1,500 - that just happens to be Orban's home village? Despite their success Puskas Academy saw the lowest attendance in the last year, recorded as exactly 800. 

Dobbo has regularly played at the Valley in front of 15,000 plus. He captained us at Old Trafford in front of 60,000. I'm not sure of the average in L1 but it's more than 3,500, for sure. In May 2019 we reached the L1 playoffs. My neighbour, a big Sparta Prague fan, loved my enthusiasm and wondered if he could come with me, but I could see his scepticism. He had heard that in the semi-final home leg we had sold out th Valley (25,500). But Wembley, he didn't believe we could f it. When we started the journey across London to get there, and the trains were awash with Charlton fans, he started to wonder. When the teams came out, and Wembley was full, he finally had to accept it. There were 78,000 fans in there for a Third Division game. And it was not just us and Sunderland. It is the same each season for that game

This is far from the end of the argument either - but I have got to go out so I'll stop here. I'm just putting a different context on the "opportunity" awaiting Dobbo.

Rothko said:

The CBT loan is understandable, the player wanted to go, was faking an injury to get the move, and had downed tools

I get it, but what I don't understand is how Scott could look at this team and not add any wingers or creative players in the window. Even with CBT staying we needed at least 2 of those types of players. Absolute mess and this should without doubt be the end of Scott.

One thing that has puzzled me throughout this, is how did they scout Dobson?

It's not like there's any connections (that i can see), like an English manager or coach there who'd previously worked with him. It's not a league renowned for having many English players there either. And if he wasn't scouted then it would also seem a pretty random club for the agent of a league one English club to contact.

Does anyone with inside info (no not you Ronnie) know how this all came about?

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

One thing that has puzzled me throughout this, is how did they scout Dobson?

It's not like there's any connections (that i can see), like an English manager or coach there who'd previously worked with him. It's not a league renowned for having many English players there either. And if he wasn't scouted then it would also seem a pretty random club for the agent of a league one English club to contact.

Does anyone with inside info (no not you Ronnie) know how this all came about?

I'm sure I saw someone say they had a scout who had been based at an English club.