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FA Cup 23/24 Thread
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As well as yesterday?ross1 said:Lisbie jr scored twice today for Cray Valley0 -
Hopefully the club will get behind the marketing of this tie, based on local derby and the Lisbie connection ramp it up start early and do some ticket deals0
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Can’t do deals for FA Cup ties and I believe ticket prices have to be agreed by both clubs and the FA.Kap10 said:Hopefully the club will get behind the marketing of this tie, based on local derby and the Lisbie connection ramp it up start early and do some ticket deals2 -
You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.8 -
An all northern hemisphere classic in prospect.1
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This will struggle to hit 4k, which is shame for such an interesting tie.0
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Excuse my naivete but why would the club want to put off people from attending?Airman Brown said:You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.1 -
But massively more than Cray Valley normally play in front of. Indeed a 4 figure attendance must be a rarity in their history.CAFCTrev said:This will struggle to hit 4k, which is shame for such an interesting tie.1 -
I think Airman is saying that the club looking to close stands with the intention to save cash on stewarding/electricity/catering etc... would put people off by default.Wheresmeticket? said:
Excuse my naivete but why would the club want to put off people from attending?Airman Brown said:You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.3 - Sponsored links:
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Their home crowds this season...
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We'll get 4,000 for this and they'll lap up the experience. Good luck to them.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Their home crowds this season...
Into the bargain saving on hotel and travelling costs.2 -
This game will be in the Sunday .. I expect1
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Let's hope the ref is strong and they don't have the twin of the muppet at Dartford.0
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My sisters grandson plays for Cray Valey academy. They sometimes name academy players in their 1st team squad. I hope he gets the chance to experience it!
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So measures being put in place to save money then, not to ensure that people are put off. Not quite the same thing in my book.CAFCTrev said:
I think Airman is saying that the club looking to close stands with the intention to save cash on stewarding/electricity/catering etc... would put people off by default.Wheresmeticket? said:
Excuse my naivete but why would the club want to put off people from attending?Airman Brown said:You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.
Some won't be able to sit where they like to is what it boils down to, but for those that do attend, I'm sure they will be catered for on the day.
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Stewarding, mainly. The stands are lit in any case if conditions require it and the catering isn’t a cost. Cleaning, maybe.CAFCTrev said:
I think Airman is saying that the club looking to close stands with the intention to save cash on stewarding/electricity/catering etc... would put people off by default.Wheresmeticket? said:
Excuse my naivete but why would the club want to put off people from attending?Airman Brown said:You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.
The cost of opening the AC Stand is circa £1,500 (in effect £675 per club for FA Cup games). If we assume the average net revenue per spectator is £6 then 250 extra fans pays for it. In practice, you could probably squeeze the cost down for these games. It’s also likely that catering receipts per spectator fall when you introduce more congestion in the lower west as people can’t get served or don’t bother to queue - although the impact of catering profit is trivial, it goes 100% to Charlton, whereas the cost of stewarding etc is shared along with the ticket revenue.
The stewarding cost for opening the upper covered end isn’t very significant because it shares exit routes with the lower covered end. I’d be very confident closing that deters people from coming, as does the approach of shutting stands in general.
This is why the club was less inclined to close so many stands in the past. I think cramming people into the lower west damages the atmosphere and reinforces the perception that the games don’t matter, but obviously there’s a balance. It’s not unreasonable to shut the quadrants or the upper west (although the extra stewarding cost there is tiny).The trophy games will never matter regardless but I think not having fans on four sides of the pitch for the FA Cup, however few, is generally a false economy based on a misunderstanding of the effect. Or, just as likely, no one in charge cares.
There were probably not many more than 6,000-7,000 home fans in the ground for Fleetwood, Exeter, etc, so I’d argue that you can create an atmosphere with a scattered crowd. The cup gates have to be real, so the difference between them and the league ones isn’t as great as presented.7 -
Thanks both.Airman Brown said:
Stewarding, mainly. The stands are lit in any case if conditions require it and the catering isn’t a cost. Cleaning, maybe.CAFCTrev said:
I think Airman is saying that the club looking to close stands with the intention to save cash on stewarding/electricity/catering etc... would put people off by default.Wheresmeticket? said:
Excuse my naivete but why would the club want to put off people from attending?Airman Brown said:You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.
The cost of opening the AC Stand is circa £1,500 (in effect £675 per club for FA Cup games). If we assume the average net revenue per spectator is £6 then 250 extra fans pays for it. In practice, you could probably squeeze the cost down for these games. It’s also likely that catering receipts per spectator fall when you introduce more congestion in the lower west as people can’t get served or don’t bother to queue - although the impact of catering profit is trivial, it goes 100% to Charlton, whereas the cost of stewarding etc is shared along with the ticket revenue.
The stewarding cost for opening the upper covered end isn’t very significant because it shares exit routes with the lower covered end. I’d be very confident closing that deters people from coming, as does the approach of shutting stands in general.
This is why the club was less inclined to close so many stands in the past. I think cramming people into the lower west damages the atmosphere and reinforces the perception that the games don’t matter, but obviously there’s a balance. It’s not unreasonable to shut the quadrants or the upper west (although the extra stewarding cost there is tiny).The trophy games will never matter regardless but I think not having fans on four sides of the pitch for the FA Cup, however few, is generally a false economy based on a misunderstanding of the effect. Or, just as likely, no one in charge cares.
There were probably not many more than 6,000-7,000 home fans in the ground for Fleetwood, Exeter, etc, so I’d argue that you can create an atmosphere with a scattered crowd. The cup gates have to be real, so the difference between them and the league ones isn’t as great as presented.1 -
Hope you’re right. It’s uncharted territory so it’s a hard one to predict.RC_CAFC said:
Maybe I’m wrong but I think the fact that this is such a local game will bring lots of people to it as a fun day out. Reckon it’ll have a good atmosphere. Great one to bring kids to.CAFCTrev said:This will struggle to hit 4k, which is shame for such an interesting tie.2 - Sponsored links:
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Id love to think so, but the proportion of Charlton fans who aren't as engaged with the club as those who post on CharltonLife is huge, and many of those simply don't care about playing a non league team in a cup we are unlikely to win.RC_CAFC said:
Maybe I’m wrong but I think the fact that this is such a local game will bring lots of people to it as a fun day out. Reckon it’ll have a good atmosphere. Great one to bring kids to.CAFCTrev said:This will struggle to hit 4k, which is shame for such an interesting tie.2 -
Anyone in the Prediction League might want to start thinking about their prediction for this one. I find this sort of game hard to guess.0
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Wouldn't be too surprised if quite a few youngsters feature in the game.0
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We will have played Wigan away on the Tuesday so I am sure this will also have a bearing on the team. Would be the 3rd game in a 8 days for those who were to play all 3. So only those with no niggles likely to be risked.addick19 said:Wouldn't be too surprised if quite a few youngsters feature in the game.0 -
The ‘catering’ arrangements particularly piss me off. They’re generally poor at the best of times but sink to new lows for cup matches. From memory, I think we only had one kiosk open at one point in the lower north for an fa cup game last season and that was the one nearest the entrance so clearly not the most convenient place to encourage excessive queuing.Airman Brown said:
Stewarding, mainly. The stands are lit in any case if conditions require it and the catering isn’t a cost. Cleaning, maybe.CAFCTrev said:
I think Airman is saying that the club looking to close stands with the intention to save cash on stewarding/electricity/catering etc... would put people off by default.Wheresmeticket? said:
Excuse my naivete but why would the club want to put off people from attending?Airman Brown said:You can’t really do ticket deals in the FA Cup as there is a minimum adult ticket price. It’s not specified what it is in the rules but I’m guessing £10 for the first round. You can probably do £1 for kids, but I doubt it’s a game that will attract them. There is a limit of 50 comps per club.
The harsh reality is that the low ticket prices and revenue split make it unrewarding to promote by comparison with league matches. I suspect CVPM will do well to make £10k-plus out of the receipts, which is a shame.
In any event, the club will no doubt close every section of the ground it can to ensure as many people as possible are put off, as per.
I do think it’s an interesting draw though. Lots of very dull ties we could have had.
The cost of opening the AC Stand is circa £1,500 (in effect £675 per club for FA Cup games). If we assume the average net revenue per spectator is £6 then 250 extra fans pays for it. In practice, you could probably squeeze the cost down for these games. It’s also likely that catering receipts per spectator fall when you introduce more congestion in the lower west as people can’t get served or don’t bother to queue - although the impact of catering profit is trivial, it goes 100% to Charlton, whereas the cost of stewarding etc is shared along with the ticket revenue.
The stewarding cost for opening the upper covered end isn’t very significant because it shares exit routes with the lower covered end. I’d be very confident closing that deters people from coming, as does the approach of shutting stands in general.
This is why the club was less inclined to close so many stands in the past. I think cramming people into the lower west damages the atmosphere and reinforces the perception that the games don’t matter, but obviously there’s a balance. It’s not unreasonable to shut the quadrants or the upper west (although the extra stewarding cost there is tiny).The trophy games will never matter regardless but I think not having fans on four sides of the pitch for the FA Cup, however few, is generally a false economy based on a misunderstanding of the effect. Or, just as likely, no one in charge cares.
There were probably not many more than 6,000-7,000 home fans in the ground for Fleetwood, Exeter, etc, so I’d argue that you can create an atmosphere with a scattered crowd. The cup gates have to be real, so the difference between them and the league ones isn’t as great as presented.
on the ‘bright’ side of that I guess somebody with a spreadsheet will be able to point at the sales numbers and declare there isn’t a demand for drinks at cup games and the club should probably not bother opening any kiosks at all0 -
It would be good if Charlton could get a few more through the door for a local club, make them a few quid, or am I dreaming.2
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I rarely attend FA Cup games in the modern era, but think I will go to this one. I really hope the club promote this well and that there is a reasonable attendance for our local neighbours. For a 1st round game this is surely one of the best draws we could get, so hoping there is some enthusiasm among our supporters. Come on everyone, lets make this a day to remember.9
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I didn't know Cray was as close as they are, so hopefully word will spread and people will get enthused.0
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Just hope we have decent numbers turn out, and not embarrass ourselves! Great local draw1
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Seeing as this mob are all about saving money. Block A and B open in the CE and one block open in the JS. Also 10 hotdogs, 5 packets if salt n vineger crisps and a 1 urn of hot water between the lot of em!0
