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There’s just a problem full stop with the quality of referees in the top 4 leagues, and the reason VAR works better in Europe, is the refs are just better full stop.
how for example Simon Hooper has been allowed to ref at Premier League level, is a good example of the lack of decent officials0 -
"PGMOL acknowledge a significant human error occurred during the first half of Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool.
The goal by Luiz Diaz was disallowed for offside by the on-field team of match officials. This was a clear and obvious factual error and should have resulted in the goal being awarded through VAR intervention, however, the VAR failed to intervene.
PGMOL will conduct a full review into the circumstances which led to the error. PGMOL will immediately be contacting Liverpool at the conclusion of the fixture to acknowledge the error."
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Re: Diaz goal. The lino flagged for offside in real time and they stuck with the onfield decision.
Is this not what the VAR naysayers have been asking for? :-)0 -
The whole point of VAR is to remove mistakes by the on field officials. And ALL on field officials will make mistakes, in whatever country.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Most people hate Liverpool so won't really care, but that performance from the officials is one of the worst you'll ever see.
They 'checked' the Diaz offside in about 5 seconds and didn't show the lines, even though literally anyone watching could see it was onside.
Jota's first yellow card for tripping Udogie, was actually Udogie tripping himself up.
Countless other yellow cards late on that weren't really yellow cards (for both sides).
There needs to be some proper accountability. What use is it to Liverpool that PGMOL have now come out with an apology saying the goal should've stood. Means nothing. It's cost them a point and possibly 3.
Like i said no one will feel sorry for them because it's Liverpool but that could've been any side. Our officials are beyond a joke.
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This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
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But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed0 -
I never ever think this, but this is 'replay the match' territoryEpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed2 -
Alfie Doughty taking some very good corners for Luton. Luton Vs Burnley midweek will be a crucial game for both sides, if either are to stay up.1
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Shame his man was offside yesterday - Alfie put in a lovely cross, which would have made it 1-3killerandflash said:Alfie Doughty taking some very good corners for Luton. Luton Vs Burnley midweek will be a crucial game for both sides, if either are to stay up.0 -
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed0 - Sponsored links:
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What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways its worse.
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I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.1 -
Of course we all hate the scousers
but a world where people are accepting Spurs do well is not one I want part of
imagine if Spurs won the title or get any form of success in Europe or anything , their fan base are fucking irritating at the worst of times , life with a winning spurs team is not a good one
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What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.0 -
Why didn’t it overturn the decision though? It’s not because the system failed is it. It was because of the person operating it.Croydon said:
What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.1 -
He thought he was confirming the refs decision to award a goal. Not that he was overruling the offside decision.Croydon said:
What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.Total fuck up by the VAR official.1 -
Which is generally always the issue with VAR. It's not the technology, it's the clowns in control of it.cafcfan1990 said:
Why didn’t it overturn the decision though? It’s not because the system failed is it. It was because of the person operating it.Croydon said:
What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.
How can you be the VAR official, be watching the game and not know that the lino flagged for offside? The camera went straight to him and as a result Diaz didn't celebrate the goal.1 -
Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
Nothing wrong with the technology just the two incompetents that checked it.
I know you dislike VAR but 99% of the time with VAR that goal would've been given.
No VAR and 100% that goal is disallowed after the plonker raised his flag.
In Rugby you can hear the ref and the TMO discussing what happened and it felt like that VAR didn't realise that the Assistant ref had raised his flag ! It looked onside from the naked eye and i can't think of a worse decision from misuse of the technology.
Don't care who's playing and who hates who but Liverpool FC were robbed and that is a shocking cock up.
With the venom in football and social media we will never go back to no VAR with officials being abused if it was all down to the man in the middle and his two wing assistants.
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Yeah I agree, but why have the technology at all if we're still going to have glaring human errors.cafcfan1990 said:
Why didn’t it overturn the decision though? It’s not because the system failed is it. It was because of the person operating it.Croydon said:
What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.
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Of course it was a "system failure". The "system" is the whole process, not just the technology or the cameras, the slo mo, how the officials communicate with each other, etc - it's the whole thing. And the system, the process, failed - again.cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.
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The truth of the situation is that 4 different officials had an input into the decision to deny that goal. A decision that was clearly wrong to anyone watching the game. There should be repercussions for all of the officials involved as they are either incompetent or bent0
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MrOneLung said:
He thought he was confirming the refs decision to award a goal. Not that he was overruling the offside decision.Croydon said:
What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.Total fuck up by the VAR official.
Ref on Field: "My Assistant has flagged for an offside, can you please check"
VAR: "The attacking player is onside, so award a goal."
Ref on Field: "Thanks, I will give the goal".
No ambiguity and Crystal Clear.
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That sounds far too simple, it'll never catch on.soapboxsam said:MrOneLung said:
He thought he was confirming the refs decision to award a goal. Not that he was overruling the offside decision.Croydon said:
What's the point of it if it can't overturn an on field error as simple as that one though?cafcfan1990 said:
I’m not a huge fan of VAR but the criticism of it over the offside is ridiculous. It wasn’t a system failure was it, it was simply a huge error by a human. I think your point is generally valid but using yesterday as an example makes no sense.Off_it said:
What difference does that make? The "system" was brought in to stop "clear and obvious" errors. It has clearly got some things right, much like referees always got some things right, but it hasn't eliminated all clear and obvious errors. In fact it's compounded them.cafcfan1990 said:
But the VAR official didn’t get the decision itself wrong, he just made a monumental cock up of confirming the decision.Off_it said:
But VAR doesn't get offside decisions wrong because they're factual.EpsomAddick said:This is absolutely unbelievable about why the Diaz goal was wrongly disallowed
So overall, it's really little better than what we had before. In fact in many ways it’s worse.Total fuck up by the VAR official.
Ref on Field: "My Assistant has flagged for an offside, can you please check"
VAR: "The attacking player is onside, so award a goal."
Ref on Field: "Thanks, I will give the goal".
No ambiguity and Crystal Clear.0 -
The system certainly needs a rethink. I'd get rid of it except for automated offsides and goal line technology but the cats out of the bag so as an alternative, tightening up the language and communication protocols would be a good step.
The problem now is trust has been damaged hugely - it needs a rebrand to reset that relationship and move on0 -
OMG, I've stayed off the interweb last 36hrs, found myself getting proper wound up seeing Liverpool fans posting everywhere.
Of course, dodgy decision but bloody hell, you would have thought they are the only club ever to have god a bad decision.
Outraged, lets write a statement. Sporting integrity ha? There's talk now that the game should be replayed? I'd ask if they're also rewilling to play the 2019 CL final against after the incorrectly awarded penalty for handball after only 20 bloody seconds.
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What would happen if one side had fielded an ineligible player and the ref knew it but let the game continue ? Result would not stand. This is similar.0
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Or if the ref forgets a goal and submits the wrong result to the league. That would be corrected. Some mistakes have to be corrected!0
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Nonsense idea to replay the match, refs made major errors before VAR and now continue to make major game changing errors with VAR, poor refs continue to be poor, what a surprise.
People would have moved on from this by now if it did not involve the media & arm chair fans favourites Liverpool.
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Liverpool fans acting like constant victims, who woulda thoughJohnBoyUK said:OMG, I've stayed off the interweb last 36hrs, found myself getting proper wound up seeing Liverpool fans posting everywhere.
Of course, dodgy decision but bloody hell, you would have thought they are the only club ever to have god a bad decision.
Outraged, lets write a statement. Sporting integrity ha? There's talk now that the game should be replayed? I'd ask if they're also rewilling to play the 2019 CL final against after the incorrectly awarded penalty for handball after only 20 bloody seconds.3 -
Makes me laugh... Alisson is moaning that the Premier League haven't introduced the Semi-Automatic Offside system.
Erm... awkward... Maybe he needs to ask Liverpool that question
Why the Premier League doesn't use semi-automated offsides (90min.com)
The decision to use semi-automated offsides didn't even make it onto the agenda of the Premier League's Annual General Meeting in mid-June. All clubs, as shareholders of the league, have a right to vote on various decisions and came to the conclusion that they didn't need to discuss the new tech in depth.
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