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Ukraine vs England - Euro 2024 Qualifier | 5pm KO on C4 | Match Thread
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All very ponderous, but not that bad a result in the context of the group - beat Italy, draw with Ukraine in the two big away games.3
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Can’t work Foden out. What’s his role?
He doesn’t seem to have kicked on as much as expected1 -
Ref desperate to blow the whistle as soon as possible there3
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I keep saying it but Southgate holds England back. He is too negative minded. He should have taken one of Rice or Henderson off, Henderson probably, not Bellingham. We needed more red shirts in the box. We won't win anything with this manager. Nice bloke but no balls!7
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Disappointing draw should be winning these games0
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Just isn't compatible with our current system. We don't really play quickly through the lines. We seem to spend most of of our time working it wide and looking for a deep cross.DamoNorthStand said:Can’t work Foden out. What’s his role?
He doesn’t seem to have kicked on as much as expected
Same for Maddison really.1 -
Only saw the second half, which was turgid. We didn't deserve to win that, and with our comfortable position at the top of the table AND the bigger picture concerning Ukraine, pleased Ukraine got a draw.0
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I do wonder if he'd be less defensive minded if we had better centre backs.MuttleyCAFC said:I keep saying it but Southgate holds England back. He is too negative minded. He should have taken one of Rice or Henderson off, Henderson probably, not Bellingham. We needed more red shirts in the box. We won't win anything with this manager. Nice bloke but no balls!
Probably not, to be honest (I think he's just very safety first) but I have a certain sympathy for not being confident enough to expose Maguire and Guehi by being too attacking.
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It was a game where he could have played Rice as a centre back. I'm not saying that is an option in most games, but it was in this one the way Ukraine set up. If you want to beat a team like that you have to get bodies in the box and attack quickly relying on your quality. Southgate for me, undervalues our attacking quality.0
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Maguire winds me up, not his defending for once, but the fact he thinks he's Beckenbauer, brings the ball out, then always plays the same ball he could have played ten seconds ago.
Slows everything down.2 - Sponsored links:
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You have them flooding their own box and we build an attack with four defenders behind the ball passing to each other slowly. In this game we needed a bit of guts and had to try to find an extra player to drive into the box. With a lack of options on the bench he took players off that could offer attacking options but kept with his defensive midfield shield.1
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Italy have to play us and Ukraine twice yet. Arguably they have to win all 3 or it's the play offs for the champs0
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MuttleyCAFC said:I keep saying it but Southgate holds England back. He is too negative minded. He should have taken one of Rice or Henderson off, Henderson probably, not Bellingham. We needed more red shirts in the box. We won't win anything with this manager. Nice bloke but no balls!
When you need a meme there’s only one man for the job.0 -
as long as curbs is still 14-1DamoNorthStand said:MuttleyCAFC said:I keep saying it but Southgate holds England back. He is too negative minded. He should have taken one of Rice or Henderson off, Henderson probably, not Bellingham. We needed more red shirts in the box. We won't win anything with this manager. Nice bloke but no balls!When you need a meme there’s only one man for the job.
otherwise i'll see you in Makros car park2 -
A really poor performance from us. Saka was shite and Bellingham wasn’t much better. Still didn’t get beat and we’ve basically qualified.2
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Only managed to catch the second half, but was struck by how many unforced errors we made in the opposition half. We see these players perform at a very high level every week, but yesterday they looked like League one quality. No touch, no anticipation, no communication, no real quality.It was quite jarring to repeatedly see things like Saka miscontrolling a simple ball and letting it go out of play, Maddison passing to yellow shirts (or just nobody), Bellingham being dispossessed and so on. And it went on with the subs too.All very odd. Hopefully they all had their one off-day in the same game.0
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We have Real Madrid's star man, who has 5 goals in 4 games from midfield, and we are sticking him on the left wing to accomodate Jordan Henderson ffs9
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One goal conceded in five games, top of the table by six clear points, and you’d change the manager. You reckon some nasty geezer would improve things? Bold.MuttleyCAFC said:I keep saying it but Southgate holds England back. He is too negative minded. He should have taken one of Rice or Henderson off, Henderson probably, not Bellingham. We needed more red shirts in the box. We won't win anything with this manager. Nice bloke but no balls!Who would you have in mind to bring in, after you’ve sacked the second most successful manager in England’s history? Sam Allardyce?3 -
Madness really.CAFCsayer said:We have Real Madrid's star man, who has 5 goals in 4 games from midfield, and we are sticking him on the left wing to accomodate Jordan Henderson ffs
To me and probably most other people most of the England team picks itself.
Pickford
Walker, Stones, Shaw
Rice, Bellingham
Saka, Kane, Rashford.
The contentious spots are whether he picks Maguire or a centre back who actually plays, and whether he picks Foden or (on current form) Maddison for the attacking midfield spot.
Unless he decides to go 352 then injury permitting i honestly don't see how there's any other complications to that team selection and i'm not paid 5 million a year to pick it.
We have one of the best front 6 options in world football and we're trying to shoehorn Henderson in because our manager would rather not lose than go out to win.3 -
Henderson has a role to play imho. Can’t always stick the most technically gifted players into a lineup. Henderson offers something that those players don’t necessarily.0
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Don't get me wrong he's a good player and for sure he has a squad role. But i can't imagine many managers in world football would be shifting Bellingham out of position to accommodate him.JamesSeed said:Henderson has a role to play imho. Can’t always stick the most technically gifted players into a lineup. Henderson offers something that those players don’t necessarily.
He's the best young midfielder in the world and you play him in his natural position where he just won La Liga player of the month.5 -
No you don't but this is where Southgate, and potentially any England manager is damed if he does and damed if he doesn't.CAFCsayer said:
You dont nees Henderson and Rice, especially not against teams like UkraineJamesSeed said:Henderson has a role to play imho. Can’t always stick the most technically gifted players into a lineup. Henderson offers something that those players don’t necessarily.
You don't get bonus points for scoring most goals in qualifying. As it was said above probably 7 or 8 of the starting 11 are nailed on, as to is about another 7 or 8 who will go the Euros.
With 3 games to go we have pretty much won the group, I am more interested in using the remaining games to find combinations to win the quater final, semi final and final of the Euros, not picking a team to score a cricket score against Malta.1 -
Should Henderson even be in the England squad considering he's moved to a barely competitive league
Let alone moving the best young midfielder in the world out of position to accomodate him3 -
Allo, Allo, Herr Flick has been sacked by Germany.1
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Only been on 5mins v Scotland and he's already doing it again.North Lower Neil said:Maguire winds me up, not his defending for once, but the fact he thinks he's Beckenbauer, brings the ball out, then always plays the same ball he could have played ten seconds ago.
Slows everything down.0
