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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,664
    I think anyone coming off of a fixed rate deal soon, is in for a big shock.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    I think anyone coming off of a fixed rate deal soon, is in for a big shock.
    Yeah cheers.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,915
    Energy prices - they shoot up like a rocket and flutter down like a feather.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    edited August 2023
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    I think anyone coming off of a fixed rate deal soon, is in for a big shock.
    We were shocked just how much it has gone up after our fix came to an end on 30th June. We're finding that our daily spend since then, is about the same as it was last winter, when we had the heating on. Not looking forward to the bills for the coming winter. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,645
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    The prediction is that the cap will reduce by a small Amount in October. I think it’s then likely to go back up in January. My fixed deal ends at the end of August so I’m at a crossroads in deciding to fix now or wait until October. Surely the prices can’t stay as high as they are now indefinitely?
    also. Why’s fuel at the pumps going up again ? 
    Agree, why is fuel increasing again. Heating oil has risen by 20p a litre in the last six months too. What is driving this?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    Given that at the end of August I need to stick or twist I have been doing price comparisons on my energy and quite honestly there’s not a fag paper between any of them. I’m going to stay on variable tariff for September and then fix in October. Currently with Shell Energy. I thought there might be a saving to be made by switching but it seems not.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Given that at the end of August I need to stick or twist I have been doing price comparisons on my energy and quite honestly there’s not a fag paper between any of them. I’m going to stay on variable tariff for September and then fix in October. Currently with Shell Energy. I thought there might be a saving to be made by switching but it seems not.
    EDF recently offered us a fixed deal, but it was slightly more expensive than the variable tariff, so have decided to wait until the Autumn.

  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,645
    ME14addick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Given that at the end of August I need to stick or twist I have been doing price comparisons on my energy and quite honestly there’s not a fag paper between any of them. I’m going to stay on variable tariff for September and then fix in October. Currently with Shell Energy. I thought there might be a saving to be made by switching but it seems not.
    EDF recently offered us a fixed deal, but it was slightly more expensive than the variable tariff, so have decided to wait until the Autumn.

    ^^^ same for us with British Gas 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,645
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Given that at the end of August I need to stick or twist I have been doing price comparisons on my energy and quite honestly there’s not a fag paper between any of them. I’m going to stay on variable tariff for September and then fix in October. Currently with Shell Energy. I thought there might be a saving to be made by switching but it seems not.
    Might be because all the cheaper companies have gone bust?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    It’s very difficult to know exactly the best course of action. 


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  • Derek1952
    Derek1952 Posts: 779
    E.D.F have written to say my Electric Meter needs changing because of R.T.S.My meter does not have R.T.S.They only  want to change it so they can fit a Smart Meter which
     iam not going to have.
    About 2,530,000 results (0.37 seconds) 
    Smart meters are not compulsory. You are perfectly within your legal rights to refuse your provider's offer or insistence to install one. This is unless, as Eon claims in your case, your current meter is about to become obsolete and cannot be repaired or replaced with another traditional one.12 Jul 2023.

  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,862
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,915
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    That's nice. I find people who insist on upgrading to the latest technological gadget without question sweet too, in an incredibly patronising way.

    I understand that some people may find them beneficial and I also understand why some people might not think they want or need one.

    However, one thing I'm certain of is the benefits to the energy companies, so it's no wonder they keep trying to force them on people, often using somewhat dubious tactics.
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,632
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    I think anyone coming off of a fixed rate deal soon, is in for a big shock.
    Electric?
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,915
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
    In what way are they a real help?
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,617
    Off_it said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
    In what way are they a real help?
    You don't need to submit readings and can see in real time what you are using.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,915
    Rob7Lee said:
    Off_it said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
    In what way are they a real help?
    You don't need to submit readings and can see in real time what you are using.
    Thanks. But I'm still not getting how that's a "real help"?

    Do people really sit by their meters all day switching things on and off to see how much energy they are consuming?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,645
    I have a smart meter. Only thing it does that I consider useful is sending readings in to my electric company. I don't even have the indoor monitor plugged in. Wouldn't have a clue how much energy boiling a kettle takes and if I did so what? Have noticed I have used less energy since I got rid of the hot tub though 🤔
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    Rob7Lee said:
    Off_it said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
    In what way are they a real help?
    You don't need to submit readings and can see in real time what you are using.
    I can forget about ever looking at my meters or needing to submit readings and can see what I’m using hour by hour, day by day, week, month and year or even appliance by appliance if I can be arsed to do so. I’d say smart meters are not the latest gadget but a really sensible addition. Each to their own. Why wouldn’t you want one would be my question.

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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,906
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    Off_it said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
    In what way are they a real help?
    You don't need to submit readings and can see in real time what you are using.
    I can forget about ever looking at my meters or needing to submit readings and can see what I’m using hour by hour, day by day, week, month and year or even appliance by appliance if I can be arsed to do so. I’d say smart meters are not the latest gadget but a really sensible addition. Each to their own. Why wouldn’t you want one would be my question.
    Did you decide to not hoover your house as you noticed you had used X amount of energy already that hour ?

    Did you stare at your meter in wonder when the figures went up when you put the washing machine on?

    were you previously unaware that the amount of energy used during the night was maybe less per hour than during the day? 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,768
    Off_it said:
    Rob7Lee said:
    Off_it said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Huskaris said:
    I find people that don't like smart meters sweet in an incredibly patronising way. I threatened to go to the energy ombudsman if mine wasn't upgraded from a SMETS1 to SMETS2, and won. 
    Agree. It’s such a convenience and having the customer display is a real help. 
    In what way are they a real help?
    You don't need to submit readings and can see in real time what you are using.
    Thanks. But I'm still not getting how that's a "real help"?

    Do people really sit by their meters all day switching things on and off to see how much energy they are consuming?
    No, but it has made us a lot more aware of our usage. I can keep a track of how much we've spent instead of getting a surprise when the half yearly bill comes in.

    I was reluctant to have a smart meter fitted, but now glad we did.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,715
    LargeAddick said:
    I have a smart meter. Only thing it does that I consider useful is sending readings in to my electric company. I don't even have the indoor monitor plugged in. Wouldn't have a clue how much energy boiling a kettle takes and if I did so what? Have noticed I have used less energy since I got rid of the hot tub though 🤔
    Exactly the same as me. People these days love a bit of data and tech. Like I give a shit about how much it is to boil my kettle. I'm still boiling it regardless. I don't need to look at real time information to know I've left a light on upstairs. I turn the light off before checking the gadget that tells me I've left it on.

    I have one by the way but had to for my car charger. I'm glad I'm not spending hour by hour checking my energy use.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,715
    Oh and another thing. As I've said I have a smart meter. It weren't that long ago someone came round to check our readings because the meter wasnt smart enough to send a certain reading to octopus 🤣
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,065
    If anyone wants to switch to Octopus (only company recommended by Which), I can send you an introduction link which gives both parties £50 off their bill.

    I switched in February to their Octopus Tracker November 2022 v1 and have been paying roughly half the capped price. I would have told everyone on CL, but Octopus withdrew the Tracker the same week I signed up & you had to join a 6 month waiting list, so there was no point in me telling everyone.

    I don't know if they still offer some sort of tracker because you have to contact them individually.
    It was a no brainer because you're paying half the price and are allowed to exit the tracker on the same day without notice, when and if the price climbs too high.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,915
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    LargeAddick said:
    I have a smart meter. Only thing it does that I consider useful is sending readings in to my electric company. I don't even have the indoor monitor plugged in. Wouldn't have a clue how much energy boiling a kettle takes and if I did so what? Have noticed I have used less energy since I got rid of the hot tub though 🤔
    Exactly the same as me. People these days love a bit of data and tech. Like I give a shit about how much it is to boil my kettle. I'm still boiling it regardless. I don't need to look at real time information to know I've left a light on upstairs. I turn the light off before checking the gadget that tells me I've left it on.

    I have one by the way but had to for my car charger. I'm glad I'm not spending hour by hour checking my energy use.
    But ... but ... but ... think how much you could've saved if you were looking at your latest meter reading instead of using your device to type that out?!

    Seriously though. I genuinely do get how some people will find them useful and that's great. But equally surely people can accept that others have no use for them and therefore getting one installed is just an unnecessary faff? That's not unreasonable, is it?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    edited August 2023
    Won’t matter what people want or think. Won’t be too long before they’re compulsory 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,752
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Won’t matter what people want or think. Won’t be too long before they’re compulsory 
    Eon tried to make having one a requirement for my fixed tariff, but for whatever reason smart meters don't work in our building so we never got one
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,993
    edited August 2023
    Got one for my electricity, the benefit being that I don't have to shift a sofa and dig about in a corner to read it any more.
    They couldn't replace my ancient gas meter due to a kitchen cupboard having been built around it, the benefit being I can over read when prices are about to go up and under read when prices are about to fall. Tiny amounts but it's always nice to think Im getting one over on Shell.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    edited August 2023
    Just to complicate matters. Fix now ?


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