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Sean Clare - July 2024 signed for Leyton Orient (p33)

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  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,204
    I am sorry to see him go, plus points were greater than the minuses, seems like a decent bloke too. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,763
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Shows how far we have fallen when Clare is seen as a loss. Came across as a decent fella, but could not defend and had no impact on the occasions he played in midfield. The vast majority of players from the past 2 seasons have to be moved on and we start again
    Exactly. We've been crying out for a clear out and as soon as we actually get rid of some of rhe bang average footballers that have been mainstays in our most pathetic showings in league one, half the fanbase gets all doughy eyed about them.


  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    LargeAddick said:
    nowhere near as bad as most make out, wish him all the best, I would have kept him as a squad player.
    Maybe he didn't want to be a squad player. I hope it's the desire to play and not just a desire to simply earn more and be a squad outlier.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    Croydon said:
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Shows how far we have fallen when Clare is seen as a loss. Came across as a decent fella, but could not defend and had no impact on the occasions he played in midfield. The vast majority of players from the past 2 seasons have to be moved on and we start again
    Exactly. We've been crying out for a clear out and as soon as we actually get rid of some of rhe bang average footballers that have been mainstays in our most pathetic showings in league one, half the fanbase gets all doughy eyed about them.
    Problem was he wasn't a midfielder, wasn't a full back, his passing was erratic, could tackle and clearly had pace and ability - Like many players that have played for us the attitude felt wrong too often. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,501
    Enjoyed watching Clare play but he lacked concentration at times.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    Enjoyed watching Clare play but he lacked concentration at times.
    He was able to concentrate on crunching players he didn't like. 
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,597
    Always one of my  favourite players even though playing out of position in a very poor team. Thought he received a lot of unfair criticism on here and delighted  for him that he escaped from the mad house. 

    Still can't fathom why he wasn't given a fair run in midfield alongside Dobbo and Fraser as he had bags of energy, athleticism and tackling in him plus a goal or two.

    At least we still have McGrandles and Kirk, who have none of the above. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    grumpyaddick said:
    Always one of my  favourite players even though playing out of position in a very poor team. Thought he received a lot of unfair criticism on here and delighted  for him that he escaped from the mad house. 

    Still can't fathom why he wasn't given a fair run in midfield alongside Dobbo and Fraser as he had bags of energy, athleticism and tackling in him plus a goal or two.

    At least we still have McGrandles and Kirk, who have none of the above. 
    Clare got 8 games for us starting as a CM before he was written off for that position. 

    McGrandles has had 4 games for us starting as CM before you have written him off for that position. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,423
    edited July 2023
    He had some fantastic qualities in a player and could really excite, there were games where I loved him. But while he could beat his man, he could rarely find the right cross/pass. He seemed to lack vision which precluded him from playing CM. Even at right back, you'd see players breaking the lines into space ahead of him but he'd just not spot them. I agree he lacked the right attitude at times and his concentration cost us (to be fair to him, he'd say he was playing out of position).

    Away at Oxford, the game where Holden put his foot through the tactics board because players weren't even running, I thought he was the worst of them. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,406
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    edited July 2023
    Lincsaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars
    Ahh all his managers have missed he's a worldie of a right mid. Definitely should have played ahead of Rak Sakyi. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,406
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars
    Ahh all his managers have missed he's a worldie of a right mid. Definitely should have played ahead of Rak Sakyi. 
    who mentioned 'worldie' ? .. i m o his position would be as a competent right sided midfielder .. and Sakyi is hardly a midfielder, so a void comparison ... I do worry about the observational abilities of some of the contributors on here and the propensity of snide snipers to add words to posts they disagree with in an attempt to justify their responses .. disagree, but disagree with what was written, not what you imagine or would have liked to have been written
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    Lincsaddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars
    Ahh all his managers have missed he's a worldie of a right mid. Definitely should have played ahead of Rak Sakyi. 
    who mentioned 'worldie' ? .. i m o his position would be as a competent right sided midfielder .. and Sakyi is hardly a midfielder, so a void comparison ... I do worry about the observational abilities of some of the contributors on here and the propensity of snide snipers to add words to posts they disagree with in an attempt to justify their responses .. disagree, but disagree with what was written, not what you imagine or would have liked to have been written
    Rak Sakyi played wide right for us in our midfield for much of last season. 

    Apologies for adding the worldie bit, but I do think you're overrating him somewhat. Personally much to his annoyance, he has been pushed to right back or right wing back by his managers multiple times as that's where he's been his best. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,524
    Lincsaddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars
    Ahh all his managers have missed he's a worldie of a right mid. Definitely should have played ahead of Rak Sakyi. 
    who mentioned 'worldie' ? .. i m o his position would be as a competent right sided midfielder .. and Sakyi is hardly a midfielder, so a void comparison ... I do worry about the observational abilities of some of the contributors on here and the propensity of snide snipers to add words to posts they disagree with in an attempt to justify their responses .. disagree, but disagree with what was written, not what you imagine or would have liked to have been written
    Rak-Sakyi played on the right side. He was more of a right midfielder than anyone else. Unless you think we should've changed formation to a midfield 4 just for Clare? 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,406
    Talal said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars
    Ahh all his managers have missed he's a worldie of a right mid. Definitely should have played ahead of Rak Sakyi. 
    who mentioned 'worldie' ? .. i m o his position would be as a competent right sided midfielder .. and Sakyi is hardly a midfielder, so a void comparison ... I do worry about the observational abilities of some of the contributors on here and the propensity of snide snipers to add words to posts they disagree with in an attempt to justify their responses .. disagree, but disagree with what was written, not what you imagine or would have liked to have been written
    Rak-Sakyi played on the right side. He was more of a right midfielder than anyone else. Unless you think we should've changed formation to a midfield 4 just for Clare? 
    my last response to another ridiculous post .. Generally Sakyi played on the right of a three man forward line last season .. any theory that he was a 'proper midfielder' is complete rubbish .. check the line ups for our games last season, all are available on the BBC website
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,173
    Good luck to him, had some decent games and some dodgy ones but looks like a bit of security and a good move for him.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,544
    I know it gets said about a lot if players when they move on, but do think he'll do well at Wigan. 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,435
    I liked him and will only pass judgement if we actually improve from his standard. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,518
    Lincsaddick said:
    Scoham said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    good signing for Wigan .. never played in his proper position for us (midfield) .. I hope we don't come to regret his release
    Didn’t play there regularly under Adkins, Jackson, Garner or Holden, neither did he at Oxford.

    Have all those managers really missed that they had a great central midfielder that just needed a run of games? Wigan are even calling him a defender.
    CENTRAL midfield ? .. your word, NOT mine .. the right of midfield would be my choice ..   AND, the useless managers you mention with the exception of Holden wouldn't recognise potential in a player even if they were looking through rose coloured binoculars
    Fair enough, you see him as a right midfielder. I’m sure he’d do a decent job there but that would have meant changing the formation to fit Clare into what might be his best position, while also moving our main goal threat JRS out of his.

    There’s a big range of opinions on Clare (no issue with that) but is he really a player you’d build a team around?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,462
    looks like he's signed as their no.7 so expect he'll be right mid after all.

    @Lincsaddick if he's a success there I will doff my cap to you sir. 



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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,892
    They did give him no. 7 but announced him as a “versatile defender”.

    I will imagine he plays the majority of his games at right back or right wing back. As he did at Oxford and here.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,518
    Dazzler21 said:
    looks like he's signed as their no.7 so expect he'll be right mid after all.

    @Lincsaddick if he's a success there I will doff my cap to you sir. 


    Their fans are saying they playing 5-3-2/3-5-2, so presume he’ll be right wing back and occasionally fill in elsewhere as required.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,406
    Dazzler21 said:
    looks like he's signed as their no.7 so expect he'll be right mid after all.

    @Lincsaddick if he's a success there I will doff my cap to you sir. 


    I also hope he does OK, BUT, needless to say .. NEVER against us
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,406
    Scoham said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    looks like he's signed as their no.7 so expect he'll be right mid after all.

    @Lincsaddick if he's a success there I will doff my cap to you sir. 


    Their fans are saying they playing 5-3-2/3-5-2, so presume he’ll be right wing back and occasionally fill in elsewhere as required.
    I made a comment somewhere on here long ago, that Clare might be many things, BUT a right back he ain't (or left back come to that)
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,597
    Dazzler21 said:
    grumpyaddick said:
    Always one of my  favourite players even though playing out of position in a very poor team. Thought he received a lot of unfair criticism on here and delighted  for him that he escaped from the mad house. 

    Still can't fathom why he wasn't given a fair run in midfield alongside Dobbo and Fraser as he had bags of energy, athleticism and tackling in him plus a goal or two.

    At least we still have McGrandles and Kirk, who have none of the above. 
    Clare got 8 games for us starting as a CM before he was written off for that position. 

    McGrandles has had 4 games for us starting as CM before you have written him off for that position. 
    Dig duly digested ref McGrandles and time will tell of course but did Clare ever play in a midfield three with Dobbo and Fraser?

    I don't remember it. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,265
    No, by the time Fraser joined Clare had been banished from midfield. Clare played in a 3 with Dobson and Morgan where they all competed to see who could look most out of place. After that he teamed up with Watson and Lee once and then Morgan and Gilbey in what I think legally speaking was a war crime.
  • Smithy
    Smithy Posts: 1,027
    That successful dribbles stat is hilarious. The majority of those would have been him sprinting up to the half way line before cutting the attack short and passing back to Inniss. Seems like a nice guy so I wish him the best but he’s a bog standard League One journeyman and the fact that anyone can rate him speaks volumes as to how poor we’ve been in the last couple of years. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,318
    Liked his effort and attitude and that is all I ask of a Charlton player to thank them.

    Technically however, I felt he was one of the weakest players I have ever seen at Charlton.  Strong running with the ball but his passing or crossing was utterly woeful.

    If that is the quality Wigan are collecting then we can discount them as serious promotion rivals.

    Glad he has gone.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Best wishes and good luck Sean.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,793
    edited July 2023
    What you get with Clare is a midfielder who doesn't score enough goals, a right back who can be positionally exposed quite easily but is acceptable at league one level or a player who can play on the right side of a defensive three which I think is where he is best suited. If you want a left back who slows down your offensive play, maybe he is the one for you but who wants that? He does bring energy to the side in fairness.

    I would have considered keeping him for squad options but it shouldn't be too hard to get better. But as in the case of Washington, it wasn't too hard to get better but we didn't get anybody and that actually made us worse.

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