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England Cricket 2023

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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    So that tells me the issues with the top order against the top international sides is nothing new 😞. Fingers crossed they get their act together in this do or die test but I’m not holding my breath.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    RedChaser said:
    Just out of interest can one of you ardent cricket followers tell me what our best top order line up, openers to number 5, has been in say the last decade or five years even?
    As in pick 5 players from the decade, or 5 who played together?
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    From a completely selfish standpoint I love this rain 😂
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    RedChaser said:
    Just out of interest can one of you ardent cricket followers tell me what our best top order line up, openers to number 5, has been in say the last decade or five years even?
    As in pick 5 players from the decade, or 5 who played together?
    Five who played together I suppose you’d have to go back a long way but either would be interesting.
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    From a completely selfish standpoint I love this rain 😂
    Here tomorrow too, but some friends have come up for the day only so feel for them. Had a lovely meal last night so glad we came up last night despite this boredom of watching clouds now. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    RedChaser said:
    So that tells me the issues with the top order against the top international sides is nothing new 😞. Fingers crossed they get their act together in this do or die test but I’m not holding my breath.
    i m o it has often been the top quality oppo fast bowlers as much as lack of technique from the openers .. not often county batsmen face really quick bowling until/if they make the test team
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    RedChaser said:
    RedChaser said:
    Just out of interest can one of you ardent cricket followers tell me what our best top order line up, openers to number 5, has been in say the last decade or five years even?
    As in pick 5 players from the decade, or 5 who played together?
    Five who played together I suppose you’d have to go back a long way but either would be interesting.
    Either way I guess you're struggling for a decent opener bar Cook.
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,257
    apparently despite the fact that no play will occur this morning, a lunch break will still be taken for 40 minutes - regardless of if the conditions are playable.

    Whats the point?
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    RedChaser said:
    Just out of interest can one of you ardent cricket followers tell me what our best top order line up, openers to number 5, has been in say the last decade or five years even?
    Strauss
    Cook
    Trott
    Pietersen
    Root

    3 outta 5 are Saffie, born
    Strauss retired more than 10 years ago I'm afraid.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    From a completely selfish standpoint I love this rain 😂
    Here tomorrow too, but some friends have come up for the day only so feel for them. Had a lovely meal last night so glad we came up last night despite this boredom of watching clouds now. 
    Due to clear this afternoon apparently, fingers crossed for you.
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  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    edited July 2023
    Interesting question of who captains in the next match if Stokes is unable to play. I expect he will drag himself out onto the pitch on one leg if he has to so its probably academic but interesting discussion.

    Vice captain Pope out for the series. I expect Broad to be rested the next match. Root before this match said in an interview "those days are over" when asked about the possibility of him filling in. 

    Does Jimmy do it if he comes back in? Moeen probably has the most captaincy experience albeit in white ball. Crawley? Bairstow? It's too soon for Brook.

    We really are bereft of options.

    Foakes has captained Surrey. Perhaps we could being him in to keep and skipper the side.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,829
    I wonder which test line up had the highest test average as a team at the time they played. 

    Imagine that is pretty much impossible to calculate 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    edited July 2023
    Interesting question of who captains in the next match if Stokes is unable to play. I expect he will drag himself out onto the pitch on one leg if he has to so its probably academic but interesting discussion.

    Vice captain Pope out for the series. I expect Broad to be rested the next match. Root before this match said in an interview "those days are over" when asked about the possibility of him filling in. 

    Does Jimmy do it if he comes back in? Moeen probably has the most captaincy experience albeit in white ball. Crawley? Bairstow? It's too soon for Brook.

    We really are bereft of options.

    Foakes has captained Surrey. Perhaps we could being him in to keep and skipper the side.
    Broad or Root are the sensible options but as you say, one might be rested and the other might not want to.

    If Moeen plays he's maybe the other option.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,240
    I love Joe Root, really do

    I think we are fed lines that he refuses to bat 3 and this one about not being willing to stand in as captain, I think he said "those days are over" to show he has given the current captain and vice captain his full support rather than him refusing to do a role if asked, its totally hypothetical 

    But this is a totally biased opinion 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    edited July 2023
    Interesting question of who captains in the next match if Stokes is unable to play. I expect he will drag himself out onto the pitch on one leg if he has to so its probably academic but interesting discussion.

    Vice captain Pope out for the series. I expect Broad to be rested the next match. Root before this match said in an interview "those days are over" when asked about the possibility of him filling in. 

    Does Jimmy do it if he comes back in? Moeen probably has the most captaincy experience albeit in white ball. Crawley? Bairstow? It's too soon for Brook.

    We really are bereft of options.

    Foakes has captained Surrey. Perhaps we could being him in to keep and skipper the side.
    if Stokes needs a double amputation (arm or leg, one of each or both) he'll still be there for the rest  of the series .. IF he dies, then Root will be asked to take over as skipper
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    RedChaser said:
    Just out of interest can one of you ardent cricket followers tell me what our best top order line up, openers to number 5, has been in say the last decade or five years even?
    Strauss
    Cook
    Trott
    Pietersen
    Root

    3 outta 5 are Saffie, born
    Strauss retired more than 10 years ago I'm afraid.
    THAT causes a problem .. Rated: 18 England openers since 2012 - can Jason Roy solve problem position for Ashes 2019? (thenationalnews.com) .. not one of those listed have done a good job .. I;ll default to Duckett, ENGLISH born lol
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,829
    How’s it looking up there (those in attendance) 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,835
    Typical cheating Aussies. Go 2-0 up then bring in the rainclouds to wash out the rest of the series.
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    MrOneLung said:
    How’s it looking up there (those in attendance) 
    Awful 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,907
    Carter said:
    I love Joe Root, really do

    I think we are fed lines that he refuses to bat 3 and this one about not being willing to stand in as captain, I think he said "those days are over" to show he has given the current captain and vice captain his full support rather than him refusing to do a role if asked, its totally hypothetical 

    But this is a totally biased opinion 
    Completely agree with you. Love the man too. My question was purely hypothetical. I'm sure if the worst did happen Root would be asked and would do the job whatever hos concerns about being pushed onto doing it longer term.
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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,613
    It least we are only into day 3. Even if we get no play today the game is so far advanced that a finish is almost a foregone conclusion. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    It least we are only into day 3. Even if we get no play today the game is so far advanced that a finish is almost a foregone conclusion. 
    Yeah supposed to be dry until early evening both tomorrow and Monday so should still get a result.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    From a completely selfish standpoint I love this rain 😂
    Here tomorrow too, but some friends have come up for the day only so feel for them. Had a lovely meal last night so glad we came up last night despite this boredom of watching clouds now. 
    Given there's no cricket and I'm bored, what did you have for your dinner?!
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    Ok, I didn’t want this much rain! It’s finally dry but not sure for how long!
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    Come on England!
  • Perfect conditions for Jimmy Anderson
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,613
    Perfect conditions for Jimmy Anderson
    What, rain ??
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    Oh dear!!
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,943
    Hope the spectators enjoyed their over!
  • Gary Poole
    Gary Poole Posts: 1,874
    Sweepstake then, how many balls bowled before the umpires take them off again. I’m going to go 12